Davanji84 said:

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dermdoc said:

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Was doing what the libs are doing in Minneapolis?

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Would be just as disappointing. This country is better than this. Attitude reflects leadership.

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But it would never happen

Logos Stick said:

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They have. January 6th was worse than the civil war.

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capital hill was basically little round top.

techno-ag said:

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Davanji84 said:

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TRD-Ferguson said:

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It used to be but we've imported people who want nothing of what made America what it is.

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We've home grown just as many. Also, I'd argue that, historically, imported people made America the great country that she's been. This country(left and right) just needs to use common sense regarding immigration. It's not rocket science.

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Legal immigration. Praise God we've got Trump to kick the illegals out.

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Until the farming and/or hospitality lobbies come along.

I say this with the most sincerely honest answer I can offer……I would be flaming PO'd, embarrassed, demanding those folks to step down and I would be relentless in working towards that end. As a Republican, who have only ever voted Republican would become enemy #1 of the Republican Party. I think most of us would do the same.

What I would NOT do is hook up with other misfits, travel to other city's dragging my kid around and sticking them in unknown daycare while I drive around in cars getting in the way of LEO carrying out their duty. You know the ones that lawmakers have agreed and passed for all to follow without bizarre interpretations of how laws are/are not allowed to be applied.

This fraud is so great that other country's like Vietnam will execute you for stealing from the people.

Ellis Wyatt said:

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Davanji84 said:

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dermdoc said:

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Was doing what the libs are doing in Minneapolis?

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Would be just as disappointing. This country is better than this. Attitude reflects leadership.

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Huh? Americans want the laws followed. Your president opened the borders for four years and let human refuse from all over the world overrrun our cities. We want them out.

Leftists need to stop fighting to endanger innocent Americans. Marixists like Walz and Hakeem Jeffries are the ones egging it on.

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First, let me see if I can clear up some potential misunderstandings.

1. Agree. This American wants laws followed.
2. Biden wasn't "my" President and, I agree, opening that border without vetting procedures and guardrails was a very big mistake.
3. I want the immigrants who have no desire to follow our legal path to citizenship, as painful and inefficient as that may be, gone. I also want any immigrant who thinks it's okay to commit a serious crime here out.

There's nothing to be proud about regarding what is occurring in Minnesota. Or Portland. Or LA. It's very disappointing. People are very angry regarding how this deportation program is being executed and, as much as I understand that, it doesn't give one a license to make things go from bad to even worse.

As I said above, attitude reflects leadership. In my humble opinion, there has been a lack of leadership from both sides. I don't see a leader from either side trying to bring down the temperature. Not only in Minnesota but all across this country. That's disappointing also.

We are better than this. We can do things better, and smarter, than we are right now. That applies to the actions and rhetoric on both sides.

And back to the point of the OP, I would use these EXACT words if it was MAGA doing the same as we see folks doing now in Minnesota.

boulderaggie said:

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I still remember the Tea Party Wars. Dark days. Such carnage.

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Yeah. And remember that time when those five people sat and prayed in front of an abortion clinic? How did this nation survive it?

I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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I know this is an emotional issue for some but remember rooting out the criminal illegals is the current effort. No massive dragnet through neighborhoods are being conducted.

What is keeping an illegal from going to the local immigration station, following the law, and filling out the appropriate paperwork?

TxLawDawg said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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They don't deserve, nor in my opinion should they receive, a quick and easy path to citizenship. They knowingly broke the law coming here. You don't reward lawlessness. It begets and incentivizes more lawlessness, not to mention these people have demonstrated behavior that we don't want in citizens.

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Exactly. Even the much maligned H-1Bs have to wait a couple of decades (if Indian) for their green cards and citizenship. It's not quick or easy. Nor should it be.

Illegals should go home and apply if they want to come here.

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Logos Stick said:

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They have. January 6th was worse than the civil war.

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capital hill was basically little round top.

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True if the 83 Pennsylvania, the 44th New York and the 16th Michigan had switch sides and joined the confederates.

Davanji84 said:

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TRD-Ferguson said:

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It used to be but we've imported people who want nothing of what made America what it is.

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We've home grown just as many. Also, I'd argue that, historically, imported people made America the great country that she's been. This country(left and right) just needs to use common sense regarding immigration. It's not rocket science.

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If a country keeps "importing" people from third world countries said country will eventually become a third world country.

bobbranco said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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I know this is an emotional issue for some but remember rooting out the criminal illegals is the current effort. No massive dragnet through neighborhoods are being conducted.

What is keeping an illegal from going to the local immigration station, following the law, and filling out the appropriate paperwork?

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This. If there are negative consequences for self-reporting that discourage illegals from trying to follow the law, we should remove those disincentives.

But, HSAT, it's also important to remember that the left isn't engaging in honest debate about immigration. They don't want any deportation at all, and they want the temperature as high as possible. Trying to reason with Democrat leaders and professional protestors is a fools errand.

boulderaggie said:

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I still remember the Tea Party Wars. Dark days. Such carnage.

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I went to a Tea Party event on the steps of the Capitol in Denver. It was as violent as an Amish convention. A lot of families attended with their kids too.

TxLawDawg said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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They don't deserve, nor in my opinion should they receive, a quick and easy path to citizenship. They knowingly broke the law coming here. You don't reward lawlessness. It begets and incentivizes more lawlessness, not to mention these people have demonstrated behavior that we don't want in citizens.

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The last part of your last sentence is a generalization. I'm certainly not talking about those folks. And as for the rest of what you said, it isn't practical. We won't be able to round up all the folks who have come here illegally. Folks have been coming into our country illegally for longer than I've been alive.

What I'm suggesting would be a practical solution for those who have behaved well and contributed to our communities. And it would go a long way to reducing the emotions.

bobbranco said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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I know this is an emotional issue for some but remember rooting out the criminal illegals is the current effort. No massive dragnet through neighborhoods are being conducted.

What is keeping an illegal from going to the local immigration station, following the law, and filling out the appropriate paperwork?

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Sure. In a perfect world they would all march down to their local government office and obey the law. But that's not a practical expectation. And while I agree that the intent of ICE is not to dragnet for all illegals, Trump is losing in the battle of public perception. If they had a simple and easy process for those who qualify to obtain citizenship without deportation, then much of the anxiety would recede in those communities.

If the admin were able to break it down into groups, backed by all the numbers and some anecdotal stories, showing how they handled each group:

1. Criminal illegals apprehended and either prosecuted or deported or both
2. Qualifying illegals (according to my stipulations articulated earlier, or something similar) who had been captured, now well on their way to citizenship without deportation
3. Current citizens inadvertently captured during these raids quickly released

Then there might be a chance of lowering the temp.

G Martin 87 said:

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bobbranco said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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I know this is an emotional issue for some but remember rooting out the criminal illegals is the current effort. No massive dragnet through neighborhoods are being conducted.

What is keeping an illegal from going to the local immigration station, following the law, and filling out the appropriate paperwork?

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This. If there are negative consequences for self-reporting that discourage illegals from trying to follow the law, we should remove those disincentives.

But, HSAT, it's also important to remember that the left isn't engaging in honest debate about immigration. They don't want any deportation at all, and they want the temperature as high as possible. Trying to reason with Democrat leaders and professional protestors is a fools errand.

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Yes, this last part is definitely true. But for those who are capable of being persuaded, the admin could do a better job of reaching them.

Rex Racer said:

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TxLawDawg said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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They don't deserve, nor in my opinion should they receive, a quick and easy path to citizenship. They knowingly broke the law coming here. You don't reward lawlessness. It begets and incentivizes more lawlessness, not to mention these people have demonstrated behavior that we don't want in citizens.

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Exactly. Even the much maligned H-1Bs have to wait a couple of decades (if Indian) for their green cards and citizenship. It's not quick or easy. Nor should it be.

Illegals should go home and apply if they want to come here.

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Not a practical solution.

dermdoc said:

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Was doing what the libs are doing in Minneapolis?

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Trump just pardoned Adriana Camberos, a woman he pardoned TWICE for separate criminal charges of fraud because she's one of his largest donors. But MAGA is anti fraud right?

Logos Stick said:

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They have. January 6th was worse than the civil war.

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lol you joke, but this is always their response to the OP's question. It truly is like dealing with a bunch of petulant children. Zero good faith conversation to be had.



OP is right though. If white conservatives rioted, looted, and torched city blocks and attacked law enforcement left and right, they would be met with much greater force. And universally demonized by politicians and the media.

I would also add that the left's response to immigration and ICE would be MUCH different if a bunch of poor white immigrants were flooding into this country, especially if they tended to vote GOP. Just a truly awful and racist party.

Hullabaloonatic said:

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dermdoc said:

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Was doing what the libs are doing in Minneapolis?

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Trump just pardoned Adriana Camberos, a woman he pardoned TWICE for separate criminal charges of fraud because she's one of his largest donors. But MAGA is anti fraud right?

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Hahaha might as well be talking about speeding tickets. You libs have got nothing. Just admit that you are the party of hatred, intolerance, violence, deviancy and destruction. A complete freak show. A bunch of Gotham city hooligans.

This thread is about how destructive and violent your legions of useful idiot brethren are. They have been shooting at ICE and BP agents and trying to run them over for a year now because your diabolical puppet masters keep comparing them to kkk and Nazis. If we could somehow put all democrats and their allies in timeout for a day, we'd instantly become one of the safest most low crime countries on earth. Start your own thread about small time petty crimes.

TheCurl84 said:

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If the admin were able to break it down into groups, backed by all the numbers and some anecdotal stories, showing how they handled each group:

1. Criminal illegals apprehended and either prosecuted or deported or both
2. Qualifying illegals (according to my stipulations articulated earlier, or something similar) who had been captured, now well on their way to citizenship without deportation
3. Current citizens inadvertently captured during these raids quickly released

Then there might be a chance of lowering the temp.

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You must be living in a hole.

This data is available and disseminated.

The left's advertising agencies, the media, do not broadcast this information. Rather the media broadcasts propaganda demonizing common sense.

Temperature will never be lowered when the largest propaganda agency 'informs' (brainwashes) the unwashed masses.

G Martin 87 said:

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This. If there are negative consequences for self-reporting that discourage illegals from trying to follow the law, we should remove those disincentives.

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LOL. QUE?

Why should illegals be given preferential treatment not available to American citizens?

TheCurl84 said:

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Rex Racer said:

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TxLawDawg said:

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TheCurl84 said:

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I think one mistake the current admin has made with this is not having a clear and simple path to citizenship for those they capture who

1. Are not here legally
2. Are employed and have been
3. Have no criminal record
4. Are receiving no government benefits

If the government was giving those folks a quick and easy path without deportation, that included paying a fine, I think the temperature might go down.

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They don't deserve, nor in my opinion should they receive, a quick and easy path to citizenship. They knowingly broke the law coming here. You don't reward lawlessness. It begets and incentivizes more lawlessness, not to mention these people have demonstrated behavior that we don't want in citizens.

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Exactly. Even the much maligned H-1Bs have to wait a couple of decades (if Indian) for their green cards and citizenship. It's not quick or easy. Nor should it be.

Illegals should go home and apply if they want to come here.

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Not a practical solution.

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"Solution?" Why does there need to be a "solution?" What's the "problem?" That it takes too long to follow the law and enter the country legally? Too damn bad, immigration isn't an entitlement.