Sweep4-2 said:

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So what is the conservative response?

And I ask this genuinely, as someone whose social circle is largely naturalized US citizens from Brazil and Mexico. Almost all of them are conservative, but I've heard frustration over the expectation that they should expect different treatment by law enforcement than me (I'm a pasty white gringo and speak only one language).

As an example, when I run I never carry identification as it's not needed. But they feel the need to carry a number of different forms of ID.

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Are those naturalized citizens verbally assaulting ice people? Then yes, you should have your passport with you if that's your only form of ID and you feel.They may deport you because you're gonna cause trouble.

But I don't think if that kid would've just been working would've even been single out

So I guess the point is just go about your business every day even nothing to worry about but if you're gonna cause trouble, then you better carry your passport with you

I for one know that if I take a swing or attack any official or human in that matter, I run the risk of getting arrested

If I go up to a stranger and start saying FU

Then I run the risk of getting arrested for assault as a person may feel threatened that they may be battered

So just don't break the law if your citizen I think you're pretty safe

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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I know some liberal Hispanic people who are going around carrying their passports exactly for situations like the one being reported. It seems silly to me, if this story isn't accurate.

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Local police and lawyers were recommending that all residents carry their passport when ICE was active in the $$$$ suburbs of Chcago recently.

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First of all I think the intensity level is higher and more widespread. Second, this isn't over some single trumped up event of moral outrage, they are going after entire agencies.

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Hussein's brownshirt army. These are violent communists.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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I know some liberal Hispanic people who are going around carrying their passports exactly for situations like the one being reported. It seems silly to me, if this story isn't accurate.

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Local police and lawyers were recommending that all residents carry their passport when ICE was active in the $$$$ suburbs of Chcago recently.

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To gin up fear and opposition.

low IQ useful idiots have a problem with feds wearing masks because they can't compute that their friends in the party they associate themselves with are mentally ill and have been brainwashed to obstruct, assault, and even try to assassinate people who are doing what 77 million non-socialist "normies" voted for: to make us all safer by simply enforcing laws already on the books and removing criminals who aren't supposed to be here and sending them home.

instead of winning an election to keep the border wide open and destroy this thing, the marxist tactical response is to brainwash people into believing rapists and criminals should keep coming and stay here and the feds are the same as gestapo rounding up the jews on railcars so they should be killed. ...and how dare they wear masks so their families can be identified too!!

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How do people know whether someone resembles an immigrant just by looking?

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They may also observe their activities, associates, whom and how they are speaking, etc. You think its racist to be suspicious of someone because of all of those circumstances point to them being in the Country illegally?

Alternatively, all citizens can carry a federally issued identification confirming citizenship and work authorization status. I am cool with that, are you?

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What is their reason for suspicion? If they don't have anything reasonable, then they are violating my 4th amendment rights.

I never claimed that they were going up and down the line at Luby's but if they are stopping U.S. citizens, they better have reasonable suspicion that they are here illegally. Sorry, that's non-negotiable.

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They do and this has always been the case. Only libs and those who suckle on the hind teat of fake news believe otherwise.

How about instead we have some faith and respect in these ICE and BP officers doing their job? They seem to be one of the best run divisions of law enforcement we have, particularly on a national level.

Instead, the left and their sympathizers have labeled ICE the enemy and encouraged people here legally and not legally to continually break the law to stop them from enforcing the law.

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What is their reason for suspicion? If they don't have anything reasonable, then they are violating my 4th amendment rights.

I never claimed that they were going up and down the line at Luby's but if they are stopping U.S. citizens, they better have reasonable suspicion that they are here illegally. Sorry, that's non-negotiable.

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They do and this has always been the case. Only libs and those who suckle on the hind teat of fake news believe otherwise.

How about instead we have some faith and respect in these ICE and BP officers doing their job? They seem to be one of the best run divisions of law enforcement we have, particularly on a national level.

Instead, the left and their sympathizers have labeled ICE the enemy and encouraged people here legally and not legally to continually break the law to stop them from enforcing the law.

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Sorry, I'll always be on the side of more freedom and not less. I respect that they have a difficult job but again, they better have a reasonable suspicion.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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What is their reason for suspicion? If they don't have anything reasonable, then they are violating my 4th amendment rights.

I never claimed that they were going up and down the line at Luby's but if they are stopping U.S. citizens, they better have reasonable suspicion that they are here illegally. Sorry, that's non-negotiable.

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They do and this has always been the case. Only libs and those who suckle on the hind teat of fake news believe otherwise.

How about instead we have some faith and respect in these ICE and BP officers doing their job? They seem to be one of the best run divisions of law enforcement we have, particularly on a national level.

Instead, the left and their sympathizers have labeled ICE the enemy and encouraged people here legally and not legally to continually break the law to stop them from enforcing the law.

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Sorry, I'll always be on the side of more freedom and not less. I respect that they have a difficult job but again, they better have a reasonable suspicion.

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They do. And their job is to protect your freedom. So maybe you better have gratitude?

If not, grab your favorite lesbo and ensure the honker on your pilot is working then head to the land of 10,000 lakes if you think ICE is overstepping and infringing on your freedoms.

Providing information to authorities who have reasonable suspicion keeps our freedoms protected.

why is "reasonable suspicion" being discussed? the government is using available data to find and deport known illegal criminals. they are not just walking around willy nilly haphazardly arresting anyone who they think "looks" like an immigrant. Someone just said they would keep their passport with them all the time if they "look" like an immigrant. that's their choice, but that is not necessary. and anyone, US citizen or illegal immigrant, no matter what they "look" like or where they're originally from, can and should be picked up for assaulting a federal agent for no reason. that includes assaulting an agent who is simply walking into Target to buy a toothbrush or whatever.

No, not gonna agree. I understand you are presenting it as an option (at least that's what I'm assuming), but citizens shouldn't have to carry an ID and work authorization unless it's required for the activity they are engaging in.

If I'm out running, surfing or climbing I can assure you that an ID and work permit aren't gear that will be anywhere near me (and shouldn't need to be).

*But I'll admit also that I'm probably taking this argument down a different path rather than the Target example, so I'll hop off and let folks get back to the specific incident.

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Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

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What is their reason for suspicion? If they don't have anything reasonable, then they are violating my 4th amendment rights.

I never claimed that they were going up and down the line at Luby's but if they are stopping U.S. citizens, they better have reasonable suspicion that they are here illegally. Sorry, that's non-negotiable.

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They do and this has always been the case. Only libs and those who suckle on the hind teat of fake news believe otherwise.

How about instead we have some faith and respect in these ICE and BP officers doing their job? They seem to be one of the best run divisions of law enforcement we have, particularly on a national level.

Instead, the left and their sympathizers have labeled ICE the enemy and encouraged people here legally and not legally to continually break the law to stop them from enforcing the law.

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Winner. ICE takes the best from experienced CBP and new hires with top notch previous LEO experience.

Im Gipper said:

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Take a swing at LEO? Classic FAFO

Looks like you might be missing some context here. Specifically, the part where the guy takes a swing at a Federal Agent. Also the part where the Federal Agent was trying to move past him.

But sure let’s pretend Border Patrol was there to arrest this US citizen so we can make… https://t.co/f0e4u4OvYz pic.twitter.com/dOvIiVtm9p

— Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX) January 12, 2026

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We really need to strengthen our libel & slander laws.

Sweep4-2 said:

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No, not gonna agree. I understand you are presenting it as an option (at least that's what I'm assuming), but citizens shouldn't have to carry an ID and work authorization unless it's required for the activity they are engaging in.

If I'm out running, surfing or climbing I can assure you that an ID and work permit aren't gear that will be anywhere near me (and shouldn't need to be).

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Have you had to show your ID?

No one has been kidnapped. The hysteria is false.

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Anyone seen the OP?

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Are you talking about me? I'm here. Are you operating under the misunderstanding that i was saying anything other than there had to be more to the story?

Im Gipper said:

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Take a swing at LEO? Classic FAFO

Looks like you might be missing some context here. Specifically, the part where the guy takes a swing at a Federal Agent. Also the part where the Federal Agent was trying to move past him.

But sure let’s pretend Border Patrol was there to arrest this US citizen so we can make… https://t.co/f0e4u4OvYz pic.twitter.com/dOvIiVtm9p

— Dan Crenshaw (@DanCrenshawTX) January 12, 2026

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Perfection man! Thanks i can post that in response to some facebook claims about this.

No, but I also don't fit the criteria the Supreme Court recently ruled was sufficient to detain/investigate someone's background (apparent race or ethnicity, speaking Spanish or accented English, being present at places where there might be undocumented, or working a low paying job).

I'm so white it's comical.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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If he was outside taunting and filming ICE, he was not "working." Also, if he was detained, it wasn't for being an illegal, it was for interfering by with ICE. His passport is completely irrelevant. What a bull**** "story."

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It's only a bull**** story because you don't believe it. LOOK AT THE PAIN! That poor kid. When I was 16 and a US citizen as a freshman in HS I always had my passport with me. You can never be too careful.

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Today I kissed my wife and kids goodbye as I got in my car to drive to work. You never know when ICE is going to shoot you in the head as you drive down the road

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You should tell your illegal wife to get the F out of our country

Edit - I believe this was sarcasm and nicely played. LMAO. Hope your ninos are okay.

Likewise, I tell my wife who is like 10th generation Mexican-American to watch her six and she sighs and tells me to make sure to take the dogs out and check the HEB grocery list. It's tough out here. So tough.

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Your edit I think gets at the heart of this all.

I'm far, far, damn far from a Trumper. But further from a Dem. It's the unidentified and masked patrol that get me. Flash a badge and I'm good. I get the gist. Why the ambiguity of is this legit or not that I'm not cool with. Like, own the role, the law or not - no second guessing for a misfire.

An attesting officer should never be obscured. Period. It's the authority taking you under the law. Your right is that it's an actual authority. Masked is BS.

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You live in a hypothetical world where radical leftists are not targeting individual federal agents abd their familues for violence, threats, intimidation, and litigation. Tom Homan, Greg Bovino, and Kriati Noem have all quoted a statistic of a >1000% increase in acts of violence against ICE since Trump took office.

The masks are fully justified in the real world. There is no right of an individual to know the personal identity of an arresting officer at the time of arrest. They can easily get that information when their case goes to trial. If they are mistakeny detained and file a lawsuit for wrongful arrest they will get it in discovery.

It's an absurd claim that ICE is targeting citizens or anyone else that isn't interfering with the lawful execution of their duties. Agitators whinging about not being able to see or photograph the faces of ICE agents matters less than zero to me.

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I believe they wear badges with badge numbers for identification later if needed.

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When I travelled overseas I made sure to have my paperwork with me at all times. Not worth the risk, especially in countries that don't play around.

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When we travel overseas most hotels require you leave your passport with them during your stay.

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P.U.T.U said:

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When I travelled overseas I made sure to have my paperwork with me at all times. Not worth the risk, especially in countries that don't play around.

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When we travel overseas most hotels require you leave your passport with them during your stay.

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I have had them make a copy but hell if that passport ever leaves my sight or possession when overseas.

Only time its happened was an overnight connection from Dubai to Delhi to Chicago that was delayed and when we arrived in Delhi we were taken down an empty terminal area and told to sit why they reviewed our connecting information, requiring us to surrender the passports.

It all turned out well, but unless it is an authority never hand that thing over.

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This is the fault of the people who left the border wide open and no one else.

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This is the answer. Any violation of one's perceived right to not identify one's self to authorities was rendered moot by the Biden admin letting in 20 million undocumented, unvetted, unidentified migrants.

People should quit voting lib and we could learn to trust one another again.

Sweep4-2 said:

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How do people know whether someone resembles an immigrant just by looking?

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Seems the majority of those detained have criminal records so their mug shots are available.

All politicians are terrible, just in different ways. And people who think otherwise likely think the WWE is real.

Trump is not a politician thankfully, but he does make the WWE seem real.

Oh wow! Professional wrestling IS real!

How can I have been so wrong haha?

Hispanics better carry their passports, because "Born in East L.A." has played out in real life for so many innocent people.

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Hispanics better carry their passports, because "Born in East L.A." has played out in real life for so many innocent people.

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this is complete and utter fake news propaganda hogwash.


suggesting that many people not here illegally are getting rounded up and dropped off on the other side of the border is intentionally lying. where is the proof? any links?


fake news already tried to pull the nation's heart strings with the "Maryland dad"... less than 1 million of the 20 million illegals Biden let in here have been deported and they finally found ONE they thought was "innocent".. and it turned out he was here illegally, and he was a human trafficking criminal and a gang member. where are the "so many innocent" other people you're talking about? they don't exist.

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Hispanics better carry their passports, because "Born in East L.A." has played out in real life for so many innocent people.

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this is complete and utter fake news propaganda hogwash.


suggesting that many people not here illegally are getting rounded up and dropped off on the other side of the border is intentionally lying. where is the proof? any links?


fake news already tried to pull the nation's heart strings with the "Maryland dad"... less than 1 million of the 20 million illegals Biden let in here have been deported and they finally found ONE they thought was "innocent".. and it turned out he was here illegally, and he was a human trafficking criminal and a gang member. where are the "so many innocent" other people you're talking about? they don't exist.

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Was sarcasm, BTW

But it started a conversation...

It’s an op.

— AG (@AGHamilton29) January 14, 2026

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Bull****

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The viral one was released down the road.

Like, https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1qb456r/ice_kidnapped_17_year_old_us_citizen_working_at/

What are you all supporting? I'm all for immigration. But WTF is going on. It's time to wake up. I'm not some Lib, WTF.

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If you are getting your news/information for reddit..... I can't even write the rest because I'm to busy laughing at you.

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Same for TexAgs of Facebook, mis amiga. God speed. My prayers.

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Texags is the most unbiased group out there
FOH

It actually is unbiased as it allows for posters to present both sides and as long as you play by the rules your voice is heard.

Now opinions may lean one direction or the other, but given that its an Aggie board, A&M is in Texas, and for a long history of the university it attracted folks with more conservative values, then those opinions will trend "conservative".

Reddit censors anyone who is not part of the borg per my understanding, much like Twitter used to be.

But reality is that for better or worse you can come to f16 and drink at the buffet of opinions, however baseless, asinine, jaded or sometimes correct and well-founded they may be.