Why is this a "tragedy"MN?

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Get Off My Lawn
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She shifted into drive and hit the gas while he was in front of the car and its tires were facing forward (in the process of switching from left to right). Ice on the road prevented the officer being severely impacted at that moment. The tires make traction as they continue to turn to the right, and physical contact with the officer results.

As another poster said: none of us can definitively speak to intent. But her deliberate action (whether intended or not) would have likely resulted in severe injury or death of the officer if she'd have transitioned a few feet forward or back from where she did.
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Hill08 said:

I keep hearing the death of this idiot is a tragedy. Why? She tried to kill a federal agent. I actually am happy people like this leave this earth. IMO, if you attempt to murder someone, your time is up.


It's not FAFO /endthread
Cyprian
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The left has learned to feed off tragedies by politicizing them, which explains why they are always so quick to come to that conclusion. The problem is they are losing more and more trust with the American public, once the full story comes out.
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Hill08 said:

I keep hearing the death of this idiot is a tragedy. Why? She tried to kill a federal agent. I actually am happy people like this leave this earth. IMO, if you attempt to murder someone, your time is up.


They want you to forget about the fraud. Never forget.
itsyourboypookie
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This guy nails it

aTmAg
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The tragedy is that this ICE agent is probably inconvenienced from his job now.
pinche gringo
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Outstanding!
Maroon Elephant
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Not a tragedy. Just something to try and take attention from the fraud.
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#NeverForget
doubledog
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aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.

Agreed. She most likely panicked. I blame the "wife" for putting Good into a position where she had to fight or flight, something she had zero training to resolve. Take home lesson, when told to get out of the car by a police officer do it. Your best resistance is with the law, not against it.
BadMoonRisin
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That was a great bit.

Also, I've always wondered. Why are those liberal rage videos always taken in a car? It seems weird and cringe to make a video and post it on the internet in the first place, but its always taken in the car.
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doubledog said:

aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.

Agreed. She most likely panicked. I blame the "wife" for putting Good into a position where she had to fight or flight, something she had zero training to resolve. Take home lesson, when told to get out of the car by a police officer do it. Your best resistance is with the law, not against it.


Also liberal mayor for ordering local police to stand down and not enforce the law. That's the reason why they are running wild with no consequences
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CrackerJackAg said:

flown-the-coop said:

It's a tragedy because the Dems as in 2020 need to distract from Trumps winning. This will continue and will escalate.

I suspect them to get ever more creative… I mean desperate… if Trump keeps spaying dragons for villagers across the globe.


It's responsible to have your dragon spayed. Too many already need to be adopted into a loving home.

As Sir Flown-the-Coop, I have spayed and neutered plenty of dragons in me day. Wife has a lovely recipe for roasted fire breathing dragon bullocks that you must try. Carry on.
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aginlakeway said:

I feel bad for the dog that was in her vehicle.

oh ****, the dog got hit? NOW its officially a tragedy!
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Get Off My Lawn said:

The tragedy occurred between her ears and long before her Darwin Award.


The only thing between her ears was that final bullet. Not a tragedy.
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BadMoonRisin said:

Also, I've always wondered. Why are those liberal rage videos always taken in a car? It seems weird and cringe to make a video and post it on the internet in the first place, but its always taken in the car.

It's so they can do 50+ takes of it to make sure they get it exactly how they want, without the embarrassment of families or neighbors or coworkers seeing or hearing them do it over and over. They can go to a place they guarantee that nobody can see them or hear them make these videos. It's also a pretty convenient isolation booth while being an everyday enough location that it doesn't look like a highly curated environment.
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I guess I have become hardened because I don't look at it as a singular event induced by alot of unluckiness.

When I drive I worry and am concerned about folks riding motorcycles. When I see them near me in traffic I try to be hyper aware of their presences. If someone broken down or have crashed I do pull over and help if it appears I am first on scene.

Now all of my sensitivity and concerns change the moment a group of daredevil riders blowing through traffic, riding wheelies at high speeds, jeopardizing the safety of others. If they crash and burn I doubt that I would pull over to help because they were selfish and reckless, with no regard for others.

This is exactly how i view the ICE WATCHERS.


ts5641
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It's not a tragedy in the sense something bad happened to an innocent person. The tragedy is that the left uses these haus fraus and other useful idiots to do their work for them.
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It's framed a tragedy to help fundraising for the left.
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aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.


She has children??

The real tragedy is that she was manipulated by propaganda of corrupt politicians to get involved in a false cause. There are so many aimless people looking for a cause to align with.
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I do think it's sad - a woman is dead because she was convinced by the idiots on the left that 1. there would be no consequences for her actions and 2. she was fighting for some noble cause instead of worrying about taking care of her family. The only potential benefit is that maybe a few of these morons that are still wasting their days protesting will think twice about the consequences of their actions.
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aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.


Very well stated!!

I'm Gipper
Davanji84
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I deeply value life.

This young woman used EXTREMELY poor judgment to get herself in that position as did the officer who shot her. He should have followed their policy and not placed himself in front of a running vehicle. Based on the videos I've seen, I don't believe she had any intent to harm that officer. Being perfectly honest, I think she was more deserving of an assault charge(worst case) or a misdemeanor ticket and a hefty fine(best case). In the end, she received a death penalty.

So yes, I do feel it was a tragedy. A valuable life was lost for reasons that were completely preventable by all involved parties. I make no apologies for this view.
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Im Gipper said:

aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.


Very well stated!!

Indeed.
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Davanji84 said:

I deeply value life.

This young woman used EXTREMELY poor judgment to get herself in that position as did the officer who shot her. He should have followed their policy and not placed himself in front of a running vehicle. Based on the videos I've seen, I don't believe she had any intent to harm that officer. Being perfectly honest, I think she was more deserving of an assault charge(worst case) or a misdemeanor ticket and a hefty fine(best case). In the end, she received a death penalty.

So yes, I do feel it was a tragedy. A valuable life was lost for reasons that were completely preventable by all involved parties. I make no apologies for this view.

Could you post the policy showing that this is the case?
You can turn off signatures, btw
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MagnumLoad said:

aggiehawg said:

Any senseless death is a tragedy because it didn't have to happen. But people have free will to make choices.

Some of those choices turn out to be unwise ones as her actions were here. Prayers for her children as well as for the officer and his family as they piece their lives back together. May they find some peace.


She has children??

The real tragedy is that she was manipulated by propaganda of corrupt politicians to get involved in a false cause. There are so many aimless people looking for a cause to align with.

Three. Her two oldest live with their father and have for some time. He second husband with whom she also had a child, is deceased. So she has custody of that one, apparently.
Davanji84
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I don't have direct access to their policy and training material so I can't cite specific references. However, the following mirrors what I have repeatedly heard, and read, from former CBP and law enforcement personnel. If you feel that this is misleading or bad information, please feel free to correct me as necessary.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) policy generally prohibits officers and agents from standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle unless specifically required by inspections or other operations
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As of early 2026, ICE follows Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Department of Justice (DOJ) guidelines that emphasize safe tactical positioning:
  • Avoid Path of Travel: Officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front. Instead, they are instructed to approach from a "tactical L" (90-degree angle) to prevent injury from a vehicle that moves forward suddenly.
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Davanji84 said:

I don't have direct access to their policy and training material so I can't cite specific references. However, the following mirrors what I have repeatedly heard, and read, from former CBP and law enforcement personnel. If you feel that this is misleading or bad information, please feel free to correct me as necessary.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) policy generally prohibits officers and agents from standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle unless specifically required by inspections or other operations
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As of early 2026, ICE follows Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Department of Justice (DOJ) guidelines that emphasize safe tactical positioning:
  • Avoid Path of Travel: Officers are trained to never approach a vehicle from the front. Instead, they are instructed to approach from a "tactical L" (90-degree angle) to prevent injury from a vehicle that moves forward suddenly.


Officer was standing still to the vehicle's right side. As the other officer approaches the driver's side instructing her to get out of the car, he starts to move to assist him but she unexpectedly throws the car into reverse, turning the wheel as she does so, which puts the officer in front of her vehicle. At that point, he can't walk around and behind the car to assist because as far as he knows she's still in reverse.

But be that as it may, officer violating policy is a disciplinary issue. Not a crime.
Davanji84
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There was no intent on my part to describe his placement as a crime. I'll respectfully disagree on one point though. The officer had circled the vehicle and had to have placed himself in front of the car enough so that he was bumped even as she moved forward with her wheels turned to the right. He certainly had not placed himself in an "L" position to that vehicle at the critical moment where the woman panicked and tried to flee the situation.

Nevertheless, these details are secondary points to my response to the OP who asked "why this was considered a tragedy"? In my view, it was most certainly a tragedy. I believe the ripple effects of that tragedy include not only the victim and her family but also the shooting officer and his family.

As you stated in your post above, my sincere hope is that all parties caught in those ripples find peace. I also pray that cooler heads prevail across this country and both sides use far better judgment moving forward. These types of deaths are completely preventable.
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He certainly had not placed himself in an "L" position to that vehicle at the critical moment where the woman panicked and tried to flee the situation.

She was not panicked in the video as she watched the officer. She appeared more determined to me. Her mouth was not agape. Her eyes were not darting nervously around as if she was trying to assess her situation. She did not exhibit any of the body language of fright or panic, which is common when people are in fear.

You go through enough trials, easy to read both witnesses and jury if applicable.
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Want to know what is tragic that is happening in Minneapolis? The cops running away from "protesters" and handing control over the streets to them. But after these last few days, normal Minny residents are getting a bit testy over being impeded from going about their business.

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aggiehawg said:

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He certainly had not placed himself in an "L" position to that vehicle at the critical moment where the woman panicked and tried to flee the situation.

She was not panicked in the video as she watched the officer. She appeared more determined to me. Her mouth was not agape. Her eyes were not darting nervously around as if she was trying to assess her situation. She did not exhibit any of the body language of fright or panic, which is common when people are in fear.

You go through enough trials, easy to read both witnesses and jury if applicable.

I believe the panic occurred when the other officer walked rapidly up to the driver side door and demanded that she remove herself from the vehicle. The situation was rapidly escalating and that's when she decided it was time to flee.

Not basing my thoughts on any experience other than what it appeared I was seeing in the videos. I do agree she appeared very collected when the shooting officer initially walked by the driver side door.
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This is the way the world ends, this is the way the world ends,
This is the way the world ends, not with a bang but a whimper.
aggiehawg
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I believe the panic occurred when the other officer walked rapidly up to the driver side door and demanded that she remove herself from the vehicle. The situation was rapidly escalating and that's when she decided it was time to flee.


Then you would be wrong. She and her partner had been doing the same thing, harassing ICE several times before. Plus remember she had been "trained" for this. (Obviously not in how to obey officer's commands, though.)

IOW, she expected to be approached and was completely calm as the officer taking the video of her and her vehicle circled around to gather evidence. Good's wife even said to that officer, "We don't change our license plates every morning. They will be the same when you come back to talk to us later." So she at least expected they would have additional contact with LEOs in the future. They had experienced it before.
Davanji84
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Aggiehawg, I may be wrong(I still use erasers on my pencils) but I'm not as certain as you seem to be that she had a handle on the scenario that played out.

Just because they had harassed agents before or had further plans to do the same doesn't necessarily mean that this particular scenario wouldn't cause her to become quite unsettled. Clearly, the event had escalated to a point that she felt she needed to get the heck out of there.

At this point, we'll need to agree to disagree. And to the point of this thread, this tragedy will ensure that we'll never truly know for sure what she was thinking at that point…..other than she had concluded it was time to go.
aggiehawg
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That's fine. I'm older than you and have had different life experiences and quite far different training having attended a Socratic method law school. Observational skills, remove emotion, watch the witness as every body has some tells that contradict their words. Eye aversion, looking up or looking down before answering a question, licking their lips, swallowing deeply for instance. Know what else is a sign of lying? Too much embellishment with details that really are not relevant to answering a question. (Not directed at you as I was actually thinking about how I could tell Comey was lying through his teeth during Congressional sworn testimony.)

But allow me one final thought between you and I. Based on the videos we have seen thus far, I would have zero problem writing a closing argument to a jury, to get this officer acquitted should he be charged and actually went to trial. (Which I doubt will happen.) Now you could maybe chalk that up to being a good trial attorney but the secret here is that both the facts and the law are on the side of the officer. That's just the way it is.

Have a pleasant evening. I'm going to have a dirty vodka martini myself.
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