Can we pay for antifa members canadian vacations?

FatZilla said:

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Those Quebec folks get the double whammy, they have to deal with the idiots in Canada government AND they are French. Poor souls.

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Working for a Montreal-based company now I will add that - while they are super triggered by Trump, envious of America, and liberal to an insane level - Montreal has the hottest women I've ever seen per capita.

Carry on.

YouBet said:

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I will in no way equate the pain I had with your dad's, but until someone has experienced major pain they can't really fathom it. It consumes your every waking second both mentally and physically.

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I'll add Alzheimer's to my list. You die before your body does and loved ones will be left with horrible memories. I'll find a way to peacefully end it if I am ever diagnosed. I'll never let my loved ones see me that way

Been watching my 86 year old mom not only vanish these past 5-6 years from this, but my now 90 year old dad do everything he can to take care of his love through this horrible process. It's a horrible thing to go through.

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dixie whiskey said:

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the backbone of the modern conservative: we believe the govt should be small and should stay out of our business. unless grown adults start making choices we don't like. then the govt should stop those adults from making their own decisions because we don't like them. doubly so if their decisions don't align with our brand of christianity

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Assisted suicide should be legal but there are two problems here. One is if you have government run healthcare then being skeptical of their motives in aiding people with suicide is perfectly reasonable. They definitely have a financial incentive to eliminate the cost ineffective.

Now if government wasn't involved in healthcare then the other concern is whether that individual is of sound mind and if you have scenarios where some sick people are praying on people in moments of weakness. That might not be murder but it's murder adjacent as the lefties like to say.

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that's an awfully large reach just to complain about universal health care, no? that they decided health care should be a right but the didn't really mean that so they've enacted this nefarious plan to wipe out the seniors who are terminal already so they can cut back on spending. and they've brought the doctors in on the conspiracy, and all the doctors have obviously decided to bail on their oath to do no harm in favor of becoming state sponsored murderers. and the govt has apparently had close to 100% success rate in turning the doctors and bringing them into the conspiracy because not a single one has come forward to say they were offered the chance to conspire and declined. you're right, i'm sold. that sounds way more likely than they just decided it's ok for dying people to go out on their own terms.

The fact that you think there are incentives for private companies to act a certain way and that it suddenly disappears when it comes to government just shows how naive you are.

There are people I know that don't get care in Canada and have to go to theUS for treatment because Canada doesn't have it. Does that mean Canada is denying them a right?

If you asked most Texans to live the rest of their life in Canada or wash their mouth out with a .45, they would choose the bullet.

No free speech, no guns, whites are evil, everything's rape, trans kids everywhere. Give me the BULLET

I'm Canadian and have moved to Texas. They're slowly getting boiled and don't know it.

It's honestly not easy to get out of the bubble. The news is curated, in a real short window people have become financial prisoners that have almost no room for risk taking and the indoctrination levels have been so high for so long, normal folks just can't understand why its all happening.

When the information is all one way, it is truly hard to believe any other perspectives.

Luckily I have spent a ton of time in the US and had my eyes opened years ago. I don't believe I would have been smart enough on my own if I hadn't.

Oh Canada!

FIDO*98* said:

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YouBet said:

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I will in no way equate the pain I had with your dad's, but until someone has experienced major pain they can't really fathom it. It consumes your every waking second both mentally and physically.

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I'll add Alzheimer's to my list. You die before your body does and loved ones will be left with horrible memories. I'll find a way to peacefully end it if I am ever diagnosed. I'll never let my loved ones see me that way

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We had to struggle with Parkinson's for my dad and Cancer for my Father in law.
Both passed away in a 2 year time period.

It was very sad to see them in that state. That is why I think euthanasia is actually the humane thing to do.

dixie whiskey said:

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the backbone of the modern conservative: we believe the govt should be small and should stay out of our business. unless grown adults start making choices we don't like. then the govt should stop those adults from making their own decisions because we don't like them. doubly so if their decisions don't align with our brand of christianity

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Which is why I call most conservatives to be fake ones. They are all programmed by corporations through paid for media like radio and TV. They have lost the capability to think for themselves and become mindless drones.

You won't get many likes on your post, but I will give you one.

It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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The conflict with that logic is that is natural death would occur much faster without modern medicine in many of these patients. If that means we can extend quality of life, but then let people go on their own terms I don't have a moral issue.

You also used the word encourage in place of allow on purpose to make it sound worse.

Meanwhile, a good friend of mine pays a ****pot full of money each month to keep her father alive in a dementia care facility. He's 87 and has no idea who he is or who she is... just saying, it might not be as bad as it sounds.

FIDO*98* said:

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texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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The conflict with that logic is that is natural death would occur much faster without modern medicine in many of these patients. If that means we can extend quality of life, but then let people go on their own terms I don't have a moral issue.

You also used the word encourage in place of allow on purpose to make it sound worse.

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I think the line between providing quality of life care versus quantity of life care is often blurred. Im not against DNRs.

Encourage is the inevitable fate of allow. The reason is that people who would be willing to do that job would either be traumatized by having a killer role, or wouldnt feel any remorse about death. Look at the abortion doctors who collected "trophies" of the babies they killed. Look at planned parenthood. Abortion isnt a last resort but is actively encouraged across schools and universities.

infinity ag said:

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FIDO*98* said:

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YouBet said:

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I will in no way equate the pain I had with your dad's, but until someone has experienced major pain they can't really fathom it. It consumes your every waking second both mentally and physically.

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I'll add Alzheimer's to my list. You die before your body does and loved ones will be left with horrible memories. I'll find a way to peacefully end it if I am ever diagnosed. I'll never let my loved ones see me that way

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We had to struggle with Parkinson's for my dad and Cancer for my Father in law.
Both passed away in a 2 year time period.

It was very sad to see them in that state. That is why I think euthanasia is actually the humane thing to do.

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Same timeline for my grandfather with Parkinson's. The family was in shock when we got the timeline and didn't think it was accurate. But they were very, very close.

It was horrific watching him go from a former Nasa and Lockheed engineer to unable to remember his wife of 50 years within 15 months. Devastating.

Sorry to hear that. Bizarrely enough my grandpa was a Lockheed engineer that worked with NASA who also had an unfortunate drawn out ending from cancer. I wonder if they crossed paths (he was with Lockheed mainly from the early 70s to late 90s).

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Sorry to hear that. Bizarrely enough my grandpa was a Lockheed engineer that worked with NASA who also had an unfortunate drawn out ending from cancer. I wonder if they crossed paths (he was with Lockheed mainly from the early 70s to late 90s).

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Was it the Bell Helicopter division in the DFW area? A family friend worked there in the 70s as a scientist.

zephyr88 said:

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Meanwhile, a good friend of mine pays a ****pot full of money each month to keep her father alive in a dementia care facility. He's 87 and has no idea who he is or who she is... just saying, it might not be as bad as it sounds.

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Sad as it sounds, modern medicine keeps people alive but in many cases not in a good quality of life.

I now feel that one must be practical about these things. The old man has no idea what is going on. His daughter cannot get herself to letting him go but selling off her future. Lose lose. I am sure if the old man could think properly he would say let me go.

I support euthanasia in very specific cases.

texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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In that case such people should not take modern medicines and stick with how life was in 1 AD. Back then people lived and died naturally. Now we have artificially longer lives.

So I don't buy what you said. There are no "principles" involved, someone made them up at some point. We have to live in the present by what makes sense to us.

I know you are a "believer" and I don't mean to be rude/offensive but I am just sharing my viewpoint.

FIDO*98* said:

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texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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The conflict with that logic is that is natural death would occur much faster without modern medicine in many of these patients. If that means we can extend quality of life, but then let people go on their own terms I don't have a moral issue.

You also used the word encourage in place of allow on purpose to make it sound worse.

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He's not exactly wrong in Canada. There's a difference between allowing it and putting out advertising and doctors bringing it up unprompted, and Canada is squarely in the latter.

infinity ag said:

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texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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In that case such people should not take modern medicines and stick with how life was in 1 AD. Back then people lived and died naturally. Now we have artificially longer lives.

So I don't buy what you said. There are no "principles" involved, someone made them up at some point. We have to live in the present by what makes sense to us.

I know you are a "believer" and I don't mean to be rude/offensive but I am just sharing my viewpoint.

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This is a bad understanding of Christianity. What does it mean to live naturally. Should chriatians only be Amish? No. Technology and tools are a gift to be used. We were given our intelligence to be able to craft such devices. What we lack is an ability to use them properly.

Also you likely dont believe in absolute truths. Which will fundamentally mean you and I will never agree on principles. Principles without absolute truth in my opinion cant be principles. Because they could not be foundational.

texagbeliever said:

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infinity ag said:

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texagbeliever said:

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It is called principles. That is why Christians oppose government encouraged death. Life is a blessing from God. Picking and choosing when and what life is worth living is a realm fit only for God. It is obvious the societal harm that this will lead to. Much like what abortion has done.

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In that case such people should not take modern medicines and stick with how life was in 1 AD. Back then people lived and died naturally. Now we have artificially longer lives.

So I don't buy what you said. There are no "principles" involved, someone made them up at some point. We have to live in the present by what makes sense to us.

I know you are a "believer" and I don't mean to be rude/offensive but I am just sharing my viewpoint.

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This is a bad understanding of Christianity. What does it mean to live naturally. Should chriatians only be Amish? No. Technology and tools are a gift to be used. We were given our intelligence to be able to craft such devices. What we lack is an ability to use them properly.

Also you likely dont believe in absolute truths. Which will fundamentally mean you and I will never agree on principles. Principles without absolute truth in my opinion cant be principles. Because they could not be foundational.

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I am secular, I don't believe in thrusting Christianity or any religion into dealing with situations. That is what Muslims do which is why their countries are ****ed.

Common Sense is what I use. And some intelligence that is not that common. I will consider religious thought (of any religion) but discard it if it does not make sense.

infinity ag said:

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zephyr88 said:

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Meanwhile, a good friend of mine pays a ****pot full of money each month to keep her father alive in a dementia care facility. He's 87 and has no idea who he is or who she is... just saying, it might not be as bad as it sounds.

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Sad as it sounds, modern medicine keeps people alive but in many cases not in a good quality of life.

I now feel that one must be practical about these things. The old man has no idea what is going on. His daughter cannot get herself to letting him go but selling off her future. Lose lose. I am sure if the old man could think properly he would say let me go.

I support euthanasia in very specific cases.

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It's a sad situation. She's a very spiritual person. She prays that the Lord will come take him every day. Her father is literally a hollow carcass (mentally).

Dang, sorry to hear on your end as well.

I bet they did, timeline is very close to that. Clear lake area?

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Dang, sorry to hear on your end as well.

I bet they did, timeline is very close to that. Clear lake area?

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Yup. He was involved in the shuttle program (as I imagine most were during that timeframe). Worked in guidance control systems in the 70's.

The problem with the euthanasia discussion is that everybody has a different definition of it.

In England it's "a deliberate intervention undertaken with the express intention of ending a life to relieve intractable suffering." What is considered intractable? Who decides?

In the Netherlands and Belgium, it's the "termination of life by a doctor at the request of a patient." So if a suicidal teenager asks for euthanasia it's given rather than counselling?

For myself, it's something like "when my loved one's suffering is so great that it makes continued living torture please help end the torture."

I'm sure that all of the previous posters have their own definitions.

But, because it is almost always cheaper to euthanize a patient than it is to treat that patient, the medical budget people will define it as "cost savings."

We all know that that euthanasia, if legalized, would become another line item in the accountants' spreadsheets, a KPI for medical groups, and the standard treatment for a list of ailments that will only grow with time. The euthanasia slope is way too slippery to even set foot on.

I land in a weird no-man's-land in the whole debate; I want the ability to end the intractable suffering of a loved one but I don't want that loved one pushed into euthanasia because it makes that doctor's monthly report look better.

Maybe there will be a trend to start keeping a personal stock of life-ending drugs on-hand to be used should an individual decide to end their life.

A couple of things to think about:
1. Legalizing euthanasia will have a dampening effect on medical research. Why research treatments or cures for any euthanasia eligible illnesses or diseases? The final cure (euthanasia) has been decided so there will be no patients with those diseases. I won't go into the idea that babies with genetic diseases that appear later in life will be given less or no medical treatment in their lifes because they will be euthanized anyway.

2. Will first aid courses change to stop teaching the use of CPR? Bystander CPR has a low success rate and is brutal on the patient. This could make cardiac arrest a candidate on that list discussed above.

3. Will the death penalty opponents still oppose lethal injection as being cruel if the government is applauded for giving Grandma lethal meds? Will those factories who refused to sell lethal injection meds to prisons for executions sell those meds to euthanasia clinics?

itsyourboypookie said:

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If you asked most Texans to live the rest of their life in Canada or wash their mouth out with a .45, they would choose the bullet.

No free speech, no guns, whites are evil, everything's rape, trans kids everywhere. Give me the BULLET

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No you wouldn't. And you can own guns in Canada.

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And you can own guns in Canada.

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My understanding is that no Canadian that doesn't have an old gun that was grandfathered in cannot become a gun owner and that many weapons, such as semiautomatic rifles, have been completely banned and mumust be turned in for destruction or rendered irreversibly inoperable at the owner's expense.

Am I miataken or is that what you claim amounts to the right of Canadian citizens to own guns?

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Glenn Beck rushes to save young woman from Canada's ghoulish euthanasia program... - Revolver News

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Look, I hate euthanasia simply because of what it becomes every single time.

However, just reviewing the MAiD (Medical Assistance in Dying) pamphlet FOR CHILDREN just sends me through the roof. Government could never shock me with its behavior, there are too many examples in the last 100 years.

They definitely have overbearing and out of hand gun laws, but no part of what you said is true.