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Here is an interesting question. How many of the black members of the House and Senate have been elected in non-minority majority districts? And how many of those are democrat vs republican? If the basis for the set aside districts was "white democrats won't vote for a black candidate", what does it say if they are willing to elect them in non-minority majority districts?

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This question also got me to wondering about other southern states, and they have similar results.

Alabama has had 7 black congressmen, 3 during Reconstruction, and 4 since 1990, all 4 from majority black districts. One black person has won a statewide election in Alabama, Oscar W. Adams was appointed to the Alabama Supreme Court in 1980, and won a statewide election in 1982 to keep the seat.

Mississippi has had 5 black congressmen, 3 from Reconstruction, and 2 since the 1980s, both of whom are representing, you guessed it, majority black districts. Mississippi also has never had a black person win statewide elected office.

Arkansas has never had a black congressman, and they had one black superintendent of education during Reconstruction.

Georgia has had 11 black congressmen, 1 black Senator, 2 labor commissioners, and 1 attorney general.

South Carolina has had 10 black congressmen, 1 black senator, 2 lieutenant governors (both during Reconstruction), 2 secretaries of state (both during Reconstruction), and 1 state auditor.

North Carolina has had 11 black congressmen, 2 superintendents of education, 1 state auditor, and 1 lieutenant governor.

Florida has had 12 black congressmen, 1 lieutenant governor, 2 secretaries of state, and 2 superintendents of education.

Tennessee has had 2 black congressmen (Harold Ford, Sr., and Harold Ford, Jr.), and not a single statewide elected black official.

Virginia has had 4 black congressmen, 1 governor, and 3 lieutenant governors.

Now Texas has had13 black congressmen, 1 secretary of state, 1 railroad commissioner, and 5 elected to the state board of education.

txags92 said:

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jacketman03 said:

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txags92 said:

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Here is an interesting question. How many of the black members of the House and Senate have been elected in non-minority majority districts? And how many of those are democrat vs republican? If the basis for the set aside districts was "white democrats won't vote for a black candidate", what does it say if they are willing to elect them in non-minority majority districts?

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Seeing as Louisiana v. Callais is focused on Louisiana, I'll give you the answer to this question in Louisiana. Louisiana has never elected a black man or woman to statewide office, and in the history of the state, has had 5 black members of Congress. 1 was during Reconstruction, and the other 4 have all been since 1990, and all 4 of those from majority black districts.

So it looks like white people in Louisiana will vote for white men, white women, Asian men, but not black people.

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But since 1990 haven't nearly all of the black majority precincts been grouped into those two districts? So we have no idea if things have changed in the last 35 years such that putting those districts back into play might still end up with a black representative. Doesn't matter anyway because it is racist and illegal discrimination to assume that a non-black person is incapable of fairly representing a black person.

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Yes, you might think that, but then you look at the lack of any black people winning statewide election despite having a third of the population of the state.

Hope they rule on this soon so states can redraw before the midterms.

On top of all the seats we would gain from this, Ohio, Missouri and Indiana are supposed to add seats as well for the Rs

Would be glorious

Rs will easily retain the senate and house.

House districts is a state political question, and the judiciary should have no say. And it should most definitely not be based on race.

The state legislators don't care if you are black white or other. They only care about who will vote in line with their politics. And because African Americans vote overwhelmingly Democrat, that is the only reason they want to rig the black vote for Dems. If blacks voted 50/50 none of this would be happening. And that is how you know it is just race politics.

Sounds like they need better candidates.

jacketman03 said:

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txags92 said:

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jacketman03 said:

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txags92 said:

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Here is an interesting question. How many of the black members of the House and Senate have been elected in non-minority majority districts? And how many of those are democrat vs republican? If the basis for the set aside districts was "white democrats won't vote for a black candidate", what does it say if they are willing to elect them in non-minority majority districts?

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Seeing as Louisiana v. Callais is focused on Louisiana, I'll give you the answer to this question in Louisiana. Louisiana has never elected a black man or woman to statewide office, and in the history of the state, has had 5 black members of Congress. 1 was during Reconstruction, and the other 4 have all been since 1990, and all 4 of those from majority black districts.

So it looks like white people in Louisiana will vote for white men, white women, Asian men, but not black people.

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But since 1990 haven't nearly all of the black majority precincts been grouped into those two districts? So we have no idea if things have changed in the last 35 years such that putting those districts back into play might still end up with a black representative. Doesn't matter anyway because it is racist and illegal discrimination to assume that a non-black person is incapable of fairly representing a black person.

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Yes, you might think that, but then you look at the lack of any black people winning statewide election despite having a third of the population of the state.

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Could it be the black candidate's politics were liberal and not fiscally responsible? Just a thought. Were there any black Republicans running. I honestly don't know.

richardag said:

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jacketman03 said:

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txags92 said:

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jacketman03 said:

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txags92 said:

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Here is an interesting question. How many of the black members of the House and Senate have been elected in non-minority majority districts? And how many of those are democrat vs republican? If the basis for the set aside districts was "white democrats won't vote for a black candidate", what does it say if they are willing to elect them in non-minority majority districts?

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Seeing as Louisiana v. Callais is focused on Louisiana, I'll give you the answer to this question in Louisiana. Louisiana has never elected a black man or woman to statewide office, and in the history of the state, has had 5 black members of Congress. 1 was during Reconstruction, and the other 4 have all been since 1990, and all 4 of those from majority black districts.

So it looks like white people in Louisiana will vote for white men, white women, Asian men, but not black people.

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But since 1990 haven't nearly all of the black majority precincts been grouped into those two districts? So we have no idea if things have changed in the last 35 years such that putting those districts back into play might still end up with a black representative. Doesn't matter anyway because it is racist and illegal discrimination to assume that a non-black person is incapable of fairly representing a black person.

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Yes, you might think that, but then you look at the lack of any black people winning statewide election despite having a third of the population of the state.

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Could it be the black candidate's politics were liberal and not fiscally responsible? Just a thought. Were there any black Republicans running. I honestly don't know.

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Since 1980, Louisiana has elected 4 Dems and 4 Republicans for governor, 5 Dems and 4 Republicans for Lt.Gov, 4 and 3 for Attorney General, and 4 Dem Senators and 3 Republican senators.

Clearly Louisiana voters don't have an issue with voting for people from both parties in the recent past, but they won't vote for black candidates for some reason...

Were the democrats old school dems or liberal idiots? Louisiana used to have moderate Dems. There aren't many of those left on national stage anymore. Louisiana may still have some I don't know.

We still shouldn't draw lines to ensure minorities get into office.