texagbeliever said:

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People are insecure. They are also ignorant on the classics, languages and math.

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This. Many people aren't aware that Mathematics is a "liberal art".

What do you think the M in STEM stands for?

Teslag said:

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Or people hate wasted resources on garbage. I'd rather my kid be a welder or plumber than get a liberal arts degree. In fact I have a list of majors I'll help pay for and a list of ones I won't.

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Great. You are ignorant on the value of classics. Which frankly has been on display for years with your hot political takes that have in history looked real bad.

Salary surveys and job demand suggest otherwise but thanks for your input

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What do you think the M in STEM stands for?

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It stands for Math, which has always been a liberal art.

Too many people conflate "the liberal arts" with "fine arts". Two different things.

The liberal arts are what make us civilized, and shouldn't be denigrated.

Again, this from a guy with B.S. and M.Eng in Nuclear Engineering.

It's the height of ignorance to demean the liberal arts. Which include:

• Humanities: History, literature, philosophy, languages, religion, and the arts.
• Social Sciences: Psychology, sociology, political science, economics, and anthropology.
• Natural Sciences: Biology, chemistry, physics, and other life and physical sciences.
• Formal Sciences: Mathematics and logic.

Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

Honestly, the Texas A&M Chancellor and BOR need to push the elevation of academic and research status at system schools. California has several Tier 1 public schools.....UCLA, Cal Berkeley, UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, and UC Santa Barbara.

College Station has roughly 70K students. Why not elevate the status of A&M Corpus Christi, Tarleton, East Texas A&M, Prairie View???? These schools have the potential to be powerhouse universities in their respective regions.

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Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

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And much of the engineering can be taken at a DeVry.

A University should be much more than a vocational school. Indeed, although not nothing, "vocation" should absolutely NOT be the emphasis of University study. Again, it's about who you are and will be, more that it is what you will do.

There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

If you think about it, other than engineering and education, there's really not a direct vocational path for the other degrees.

I know you like to be provocative, so I never know how serious you are, it's why I blocked your posts for several years (I tend to think you'd be proud of that). But it's embarrassing for a presumed graduate of my university to be so ignorant of the value of the liberal arts.

Teslag said:

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Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

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This is just a silly take

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There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

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I can't imagine how miserable of a life it must be when your entire measure of how meaningful and fulfilling a career path can be is how much money it will earn.

There's more to life than making money.

Source?

Ryan the Temp said:

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There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

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I can't imagine how miserable of a life it must be when your entire measure of how meaningful and fulfilling a career path can be is how much money it will earn.

There's more to life than making money.

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Absolutely. But its more than that. It's more the entire measure of how meaningful and fulfilling your life is is by how much money you earn.

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Teslag said:

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Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

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And much of the engineering can be taken at a DeVry.

A University should be much more than a vocational school. Indeed, although not nothing, "vocation" should absolutely NOT be the emphasis of University study. Again, it's about who you are and will be, more that it is what you will do.

There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

If you think about it, other than engineering and education, there's really not a direct vocational path for the other degrees.

I know you like to be provocative, so I never know how serious you are, it's why I blocked your posts for several years (I tend to think you'd be proud of that). But it's embarrassing for a presumed graduate of my university to be so ignorant of the value of the liberal arts.

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Wrong on so many levels.

I have a coworker who thinks like this. Their daughter went to some waste of time BS liberal arts degree after being a salutatorian in high school. Can't find a job that pays decent. Still lives at home. Spends time doing volunteer work for churches/charities. Does some subbing at the local private school. They say idiotic crap like "she's on her own path". She has some prospect out with some charity organization for like $30k a year. Will still have to live at home. She wasted a spot at A&M that actually had ambition. She wasted her parents resources. At this point she's probably wasting oxygen. And I don't have the heart to tell them their daughter is a giant POS. I'd be absolutely livid at my child. And it's why I have the list of "approved degrees". They need to contribute to themselves and society. And at the very least be able to house and feed themselves.

Teslag said:

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cecil77 said:

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Teslag said:

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Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

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And much of the engineering can be taken at a DeVry.

A University should be much more than a vocational school. Indeed, although not nothing, "vocation" should absolutely NOT be the emphasis of University study. Again, it's about who you are and will be, more that it is what you will do.

There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

If you think about it, other than engineering and education, there's really not a direct vocational path for the other degrees.

I know you like to be provocative, so I never know how serious you are, it's why I blocked your posts for several years (I tend to think you'd be proud of that). But it's embarrassing for a presumed graduate of my university to be so ignorant of the value of the liberal arts.

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Wrong on so many levels.

I have a coworker who thinks like this. Their daughter went to some waste of time BS liberal arts degree after being a salutatorian in high school. Can't find a job that pays decent. Still lives at home. Spends time doing volunteer work for churches/charities. Does some subbing at the local private school. They say idiotic crap like "she's on her own path". She has some prospect out with some charity organization for like $30k a year. Will still have to live at home. She wasted a spot at A&M that actually had ambition. She wasted her parents resources. At this point she's probably wasting oxygen. And I don't have the heart to tell them their daughter is a giant POS. I'd be absolutely livid at my child. And it's why I have the list of "approved degrees". They need to contribute to themselves and society. And at the very least be able to house and feed themselves.

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Well bless your heart. I pity you. I truly do.

Speaking as a Tennessee alum, I think A&M is a fine university, one that has somewhat avoided the pitfalls of descending into leftist madness. You are served well by your traditions and an alumni base frequently exercising a loud voice against academic approaches currently rendering many college and university outlets increasingly unpopular with our current generation of youth.

I have Bachelor of Arts in History from Tennessee. I knew that path would probably not be financially rewarding. It also meant leaving East Tennessee. When you take a degree like this, you have to figure out ways to make it work. I went on to get an advanced degree and went wherever the jobs were available. The reward? In my 50s in a comfortable spot in my personal life and an absolute joy in my professional life.

This being said, all of higher education needs to do some soul-searching and research with the degrees they offer. These kids come to college not just to expand their knowledge, but also to gain experience for their lives ahead. Where that degree offering accomplishes those goals for the kids on that particular track, then the university should continue supporting the degree. Where it leads to work far below the cost the student and the state expended to earn the degree, then the degree program should be ended.

It is interesting to note that my 3.26 GPA and 990 SAT would not get me close to the doors at many SEC schools now. What drives that? People around the country and internationally are choosing these schools because of the social experience they provide in addition to the quality education.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/high-school-seniors-flock-southern-universities-over-northern-universities-ivy-league-report

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They cite college counselors in reporting that "many teens are eager to trade the political polarization ripping apart campuses in New England and New York for the sense of community epitomized by the South's football Saturdays."

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What we have on our campuses is typically a family atmosphere exemplified by athletic and social experiences unmatched at other places around the country. None of the large public schools in the Southeast hurt for applicants. It is up to the schools to make certain the educational programs on offer match the quality of the social experience.

Anthropology, if taught in a very rigorous and robust manner, can lead to work expanding our understanding of life on earth. Same with philosophy. With both the person needs to understand financial implications and career paths and plan accordingly or being a barista may be in their future. Learning should be lifelong and there is absolutely nothing wrong with trades and vocations if done intensely with a spirit of service.

My undergrad at A&M was physics morphing into a BS in mechanical engineering and it was a very solid foundation to pursue other fields as diverse as medicine and law. Taught me how to think critically and logically.

I'd like to see A&M gradually lower its size by say 20% over the next ten to fifteen years by raising standards even more to be even more selective. There are plenty of other public universities in Texas for other students.

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There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

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I can't imagine how miserable of a life it must be when your entire measure of how meaningful and fulfilling a career path can be is how much money it will earn.

There's more to life than making money.

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They're the engineer/computer science-type drones who languish in the back office and gripe about the liberal arts majors who make more money than they do because of the ability to communicate, think critically, and find creative solutions to problems in multiple disciplines.

Sgt. Schultz said:

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Honestly, the Texas A&M Chancellor and BOR need to push the elevation of academic and research status at system schools. California has several Tier 1 public schools.....UCLA, Cal Berkeley, UC Davis, UC Irvine, UC San Diego, and UC Santa Barbara.

College Station has roughly 70K students. Why not elevate the status of A&M Corpus Christi, Tarleton, East Texas A&M, Prairie View???? These schools have the potential to be powerhouse universities in their respective regions.

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We are. Every University in the system is actively trying to increase their status. TAMU CC will soon be TUF eligible and the goal is to get all schools to elevate their research. They had presentations last Regents regular meeting on research and how we can increase the research dollars throughout the system.

TAMU CC and Tarleton are well on their way and ETAMU has the PHD's they just need more private funding. Prairie View and College Station are collaborating more on Engineering and Ag research.

Teslag said:

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cecil77 said:

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Teslag said:

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Half of those can and should be taken at BS liberal arts colleges. The hard sciences can stay

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And much of the engineering can be taken at a DeVry.

A University should be much more than a vocational school. Indeed, although not nothing, "vocation" should absolutely NOT be the emphasis of University study. Again, it's about who you are and will be, more that it is what you will do.

There's much more value to a University degree than the dollars that degree will help earn.

If you think about it, other than engineering and education, there's really not a direct vocational path for the other degrees.

I know you like to be provocative, so I never know how serious you are, it's why I blocked your posts for several years (I tend to think you'd be proud of that). But it's embarrassing for a presumed graduate of my university to be so ignorant of the value of the liberal arts.

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Wrong on so many levels.

I have a coworker who thinks like this. Their daughter went to some waste of time BS liberal arts degree after being a salutatorian in high school. Can't find a job that pays decent. Still lives at home. Spends time doing volunteer work for churches/charities. Does some subbing at the local private school. They say idiotic crap like "she's on her own path". She has some prospect out with some charity organization for like $30k a year. Will still have to live at home. She wasted a spot at A&M that actually had ambition. She wasted her parents resources. At this point she's probably wasting oxygen. And I don't have the heart to tell them their daughter is a giant POS. I'd be absolutely livid at my child. And it's why I have the list of "approved degrees". They need to contribute to themselves and society. And at the very least be able to house and feed themselves.

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Reading his posts, I cant imagine how fun Teslag is at parties! I bet his friend circle is huge!

It is. People appreciate brutal honesty

Teslag said:

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It is. People appreciate brutal honesty

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I do somewhat get what you are saying, however unsubtle is might be.

I am in an industry that can, if you are good, make more $$ than God. In fact the most successful guy I know (has a jet and about 7 houses throughout north America) was a markets and cultures major at SMU. I had to look it up myself and come to find out it is a part of their sociology program. Pretty cool major too! Knowing what I know, I would be willing to bet that just about every engineering major would trade places with this guy in a heartbeat.

Well I'd trade places with Mark Zuckerberg too and he didn't even finish college. But it's not about the outliers, it's about the norms.

Those aren't outliers among those who belong in a University.

About 60% of university students belong in vocational schools, including a big chunk of engineers and other STEM majors.

Wall Street actively seeks liberal arts majors.

When I was also young and immature, I bought into the engineers uber alles mindset. With age and maturity that was just dumb on my part.