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I don't even know what this means. Sounds like another conservative solution to a liberal premise.

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It means it's time to celebrate. The money is coming. Hopefully Trump sends the tariff money to us next.

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Not sure if serious, but regardless, from your lips to God's ears.

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Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I say heck yeah! No income ceiling on the subsidies.

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Did a rightist just agree with the Dems?

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This is not a right or left issue. No one wants any spending cuts. This benefits the middle class.

Might as well get some benefits before it collapses. It's like having a glass of $1000 bubbly on the deck of the Titanic before she goes under.

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How does this benefit the middle class, and there are plenty of people that want spending cuts.

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There are some that do want cuts, but very few. That's why they made no immediate cuts in the BBB to FY25 which just ended. Supposedly we will get some cuts to Medicaid, Medicare, etc... going forward, but I would not count on it.

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Street Fighter said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Logos Stick said:

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I say heck yeah! No income ceiling on the subsidies.

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Did a rightist just agree with the Dems?

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This is not a right or left issue. No one wants any spending cuts. This benefits the middle class.

Might as well get some benefits before it collapses. It's like having a glass of $1000 bubbly on the deck of the Titanic before she goes under.

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How does this benefit the middle class, and there are plenty of people that want spending cuts.

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If you don't work for a company that provides insurance and you are not eligible for Medicare, then your options are ACA, Medishare, or possibly other esoteric plan that I haven't found yet. So, small business owners, sole proprietors, any other gig where you can't find a pool of like people to get an insurance plan.

Also see this...Democrats have the R's over a barrel on this one topic:

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Of the 75 congressional districts where at least 10% of the population is enrolled in the Affordable Care Act, 62 are in red-leaning Florida, Georgia and Texas, according to Kaiser Family Foundation, a healthcare-policy think tank. More than half of the 62 districts in those states are represented by Republicans.

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ACA is extraordinarily expensive though. I priced it out for my wife and I (51 and 49). Looking at $1,300 to $1,500 per month in premiums with a $13-15K annual deductible.

This is why the R's are going to cave on it.

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I fit all of the criteria bolded in your first paragraph. I am also 51. And pay too much for a great 90/10 PPO with a $500 deductible, but providing subsidies will just raise premiums even further and cause a tax increase/inflation.

The solution is to stop having the government pay for people's healthcare. It is not the intended role of the government. Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life.

Agreed but that ship has sailed.

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Agreed but that ship has sailed.

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Then it is over. The only question is when. We cannot afford as a nation to pay for healthcare in the greatest healthcare system in the world for every person within our borders. It will bankrupt us.

The answer to almost any government question about providing for individual needs is: rugged individualism. You gotta take care of yourself homie.

Yes, it's all over but the crying. $37T in debt will be $50T inside of ten years.

We could just listen to our betters - Goldman thinks we have nothing to worry about until 2050 or so at which point in time they predict a 185% debt to gdp ratio which finally then starts to cause some consternation. We all good until then though.

lol.

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Yes, it's all over but the crying. $37T in debt will be $50T inside of ten years.

We could just listen to our betters - Goldman thinks we have nothing to worry about until 2050 or so at which point in time they predict a 185% debt to gdp ratio which finally then starts to cause some consternation. We all good until then though.

lol.

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If we are really going to do it. Then cut my taxes to 10% and give me access to more of my hard earned money to prepare my individual family for what comes next. Giving > $200k annually in taxes to the govt if we have all given up trying to make it work is bs.

I bet my agent can do better than that. She specializes in small business and self employed. Here is her link.
https://www.battleinsurance.net/

UrbanDecay said:

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I bet my agent can do better than that. She specializes in small business and self employed. Here is her link.
https://www.battleinsurance.net/

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Thanks. I'll check her out.

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Wanna know the best way to make something $1000 more expensive? Give everyone $1000.

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Then why was Governor Abbott & DeSantis for school vouchers

" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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Why are they without insurance?

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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Have you given them any money?

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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Heartless?

Life is often that way. Sucks. But, it is what it is. Medical care isn't a right, nor should it be. That's an idiotic belief in the first place.

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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what percentage of your income do you give to places like st jude?

I give to them do you or do you just want others to give through theft of taxation?

Ag98and03 said:

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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Your rights -- or anybody else's -- end when satisfying them requires labor or taxes from someone else.

Freedom is a right. Free speech is a right. Owning a firearm is a right. Exercising them doesn't require labor or taxes from others.

Subsidized healthcare isn't a right. It either requires a doctor to provide it at discounted cost, or taxes from others to pay for it, or a combination of both.

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Sims said:

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Wanna know the best way to make something $1000 more expensive? Give everyone $1000.

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Then why was Governor Abbott & DeSantis for school vouchers

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I suppose if their choice of school was limited to only the government provided programs on an exchange, you'd have a point. Since they aren't, you don't have quite the pithy accomplishment you thought you did.

I don't know why they don't have insurance.

I told the woman to set up a go fund me and I would be happy to help. She doesn't want to and is focusing on selling everything she can to come up with the money.

Random whataboutism concerning St Jude is irrelevant, but yes I do a monthly donation with them and have for about 7 years now.

But I do see some of you guys are totally cool with her husband dying from cancer. I'm sure Jesus is proud of you. At least you admit you don't care. Honesty counts for something.

POTUS is watching these airports strain to keep ATC up and running and once one of the major carriers stops flights he will cut a deal, hell even MTG is yelling enuff already.

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I don't know why they don't have insurance.

I told the woman to set up a go fund me and I would be happy to help. She doesn't want to and is focusing on selling everything she can to come up with the money.

Random whataboutism concerning St Jude is irrelevant, but yes I do a monthly donation with them and have for about 7 years now.

But I do see some of you guys are totally cool with her husband dying from cancer. I'm sure Jesus is proud of you. At least you admit you don't care. Honesty counts for something.

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Based on your posting history it's safe to say you voted for Biden.

I see you are cool with Jocelyn Nungary, Rachel Morin, Laken Riley, etc. being killed by illegals that Joe let in the country?

Where is your concern for the 59 people shot (8 deaths) in Chicago over Labor Day weekend? Your voting bloc seems to not want to do anything about those people, but I don't see you telling them that Jesus is proud of them.

Nice job bringing Jesus into the equation while "judging others"

Ag98and03 said:

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" Of course there will be some without access to healthcare, but such is life."

This is one of the most heartless things on here.

You are aware that there are a number of people that end up with cancer and cannot afford treatment?

There is a lady whose husband has brain cancer and they need 130k for treatment.

You'd just let them die because it is an acceptable loss to you.


And before you come out here with the leftist whatever. That one person I specifically am referring to is in a red state and is a Republican who voted for Trump.

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You would willingly force all of us into a British-style NHS system, where we all pay and we all have access to substandard healthcare.

At least some of us would have access to that healthcare. At some point weeks, months or years down the line.

If you are too old with breast cancer, then a bureaucrat will deny you that access.

If you are too old with prostate cancer, then those officials will apply the values of the "complete lives" theory to deny you coverage.

Heartless is pining for a nationalized health system because it claims coverage for everyone while denying care for those who need it the most and have paid the most into it.

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I don't know why they don't have insurance.

I told the woman to set up a go fund me and I would be happy to help. She doesn't want to and is focusing on selling everything she can to come up with the money.

Random whataboutism concerning St Jude is irrelevant, but yes I do a monthly donation with them and have for about 7 years now.

But I do see some of you guys are totally cool with her husband dying from cancer. I'm sure Jesus is proud of you. At least you admit you don't care. Honesty counts for something.

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When your argument is so weak you have to accuse others of being happy that someone is dying of cancer, you should have some self reflection, which is not a quality the left possesses, I know. Your ideology is what pushed insurance and healthcare costs so high to begin with.

Ag98and03 said:

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I don't know why they don't have insurance.

I told the woman to set up a go fund me and I would be happy to help. She doesn't want to and is focusing on selling everything she can to come up with the money.

Random whataboutism concerning St Jude is irrelevant, but yes I do a monthly donation with them and have for about 7 years now.

But I do see some of you guys are totally cool with her husband dying from cancer. I'm sure Jesus is proud of you. At least you admit you don't care. Honesty counts for something.

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How much money did you give your friend for the cancer treatment?

So options exist

Your alleged friend doesnt want to use them

So you conclude that you must rob me by gun under the guise of taxes to give it to her

As someone whose original career was in healthcare, I'm not as much of a hard case on this issue as I am other conservative viewpoints. Some people draw a short straw through no fault of their own and me not being a heartless SOB (despite the perception of my posting history), I have sympathy and empathy for these folks. I would like to think we can come up with a much better system to help people who really need it.

What I do know is that government is not the answer as it almost never is - it distorts pricing, incentives, and quality. Simply fact.

We need major reform in this country with healthcare before we end up down the NHS route. I think we can all agree there are massive reforms that can be made and they should start with the insurance industry which likely means getting rid of almost all of it except for catastrophic policies. Prices would plummet resulting in far more people just handling things OOP like they would any other product or service.

My wife and I handle our primary care stuff OOP at this point. After comparing what we pay OOP vs what we would pay in annual premiums via insurance to get everything we get covered in our annual, it's cheaper than ACA and many other insurance plans. It's still sticker shock because you are paying for everything one time per year for all of your annual preventative stuff at once.

My issue right now is trying to find a way to cobble together our existing OOP Primary Care doctor with some sort of catastrophic plan that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I'm not sure if that is possible. ACA does not allow for catastrophic plans unless you are low income which is horse****, but that goes to above on my comments about government healthcare.

The best option I've found so far is Medishare, but I don't know how effective it really is and we are still paying $350 a month with a $12K deductible just to have it. It's way cheaper than ACA though.

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As someone whose original career was in healthcare, I'm not as much of a hard case on this issue as I am other conservative viewpoints. Some people draw a short straw through no fault of their own and me not being a heartless SOB (despite the perception of my posting history), I have sympathy and empathy for these folks. I would like to think we can come up with a much better system to help people who really need it.

What I do know is that government is not the answer as it almost never is - it distorts pricing, incentives, and quality. Simply fact.

We need major reform in this country with healthcare before we end up down the NHS route. I think we can all agree there are massive reforms that can be made and they should start with the insurance industry which likely means getting rid of almost all of it except for catastrophic policies. Prices would plummet resulting in far more people just handling things OOP like they would any other product or service.

My wife and I handle our primary care stuff OOP at this point. After comparing what we pay OOP vs what we would pay in annual premiums via insurance to get everything we get covered in our annual, it's cheaper than ACA and many other insurance plans. It's still sticker shock because you are paying for everything one time per year for all of your annual preventative stuff at once.

My issue right now is trying to find a way to cobble together our existing OOP Primary Care doctor with some sort of catastrophic plan that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. I'm not sure if that is possible. ACA does not allow for catastrophic plans unless you are low income which is horse****, but that goes to above on my comments about government healthcare.

The best option I've found so far is Medishare, but I don't know how effective it really is and we are still paying $350 a month with a $12K deductible just to have it. It's way cheaper than ACA though.

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My family prefers the opposite. We have a 90/10 PPO with a $500 deductible. Sure we pay $31k a year in premiums when you include vision and dental but I just look at it as prepaying and its is a sunk cost. Then I do not have to plan around medical issues. I do think prices are distorted high but it is preferable to a NHS. Obviously we provide this same coverage to our employees too and they seem happy. Two have opted out because their spouse has government health insurance and they just take the difference in compensation.

I am ok with your plan too. Obviously socialized medicine should be a non-starter.

I didn't even know such plans existed. Never seen a plan skewed that far towards premiums vs deductible, but I've admittedly been living in corporate provided healthcare for the entirety of my adult life until the last month.

Sounds like the GOO is willing to give in fir r another year.