StandUpforAmerica said:

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Nevada gets 88 percent of our gas from California refineries.

The El Segundo Refinery represents around 16.5% of total production. If it goes offline, it will cause a major increase in Nevada gas prices.

Oh, and Phillips 66's LA Refinery (end of 2025) and Valero's Benicia… https://t.co/YXBWdFS6I6 pic.twitter.com/bafauDynYj

— Victor Joecks (@VictorJoecks) October 3, 2025

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Nevada is a mess of a state gasoline wise and honestly faces tight spots every year.

There is no way an EV mandates will get them out of this message. With CAs high cost of living its not like people can immediate just go out and buy something new. And even if they could their trade in value will absolutely tank.

Im rather shocked pump price increases aren't already kicking in. Can't gloss over loss of production and as already mentioned cant really just start trucking fuel in as CA has their own low carbon standard that other states aren't making.

akaggie05 said:

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I do tend to agree with what someone else said earlier. This will just accelerate the "mandate" to move to EVs in the state, and the dumb sheep will celebrate it as some kind of monumental green achievement. Meanwhile, any large business that depends on moving product via truck or rail will just pack up and leave.

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Actually not sure about that. They've already abandoned their commercial truck zero carbon mandate. Their elites who run the show and see the bigger picture may realize they've pushed too far, too fast. Their green polices to date have created the potential for a catastrophic failure of California. We know Gavin knows this and he and his cronies, at least, are scrambling hard to reverse course.

The Dem proletariat and the brainwashed minions pushing left wing propaganda are still hoodwinked by green energy, so I bet they are a bit confused right now with all of this backtracking by Gavin's team.

Another callout that was largely memory holed is that Gavin quietly extended the planned shutdown of their last nuclear plant in 2022 which was originally scheduled to go offline this year. That plant accounts for ~9% of the state's electricity. So, he's been talking out of both sides of his mouth on energy since at least 2022.

Central Arizona is furnished almost exclusively by California refineries which is why it's higher here than down in Tucson and east. No random driving for me @$4.

jja79 said:

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Central Arizona is furnished almost exclusively by California refineries which is why it's higher here than down in Tucson and east. No random driving for me @$4.

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There are definitely pipelines from the east to PHX. If anything LA over has been constrained.

Have prices moved?
Doesn't appear so and that doesn't make sense.

Per the Truth, gas prices lowest in 5 years.

$4.63 avg in Cali, basically unchanged all year: https://gasprices.aaa.com/?state=CA

I've been all over the place today and seen it as low as 2.19 but not higher than 2.79.

California outsources their pollution to Indian tribes and adjacent states while pulling the water out of the Colorado river delta and who knows how many smelt have died because of that.

This is specifically regarding CA after one of their largest refineries blew up and 2 more slated to cease operations. Who is providing fuel?

Else the companies are just taking it in the shorts.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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Have prices moved?
Doesn't appear so and that doesn't make sense.

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Crude prices are down, so this may offset any California increase due to some units in the Chevron refinery being down.

https://www.google.com/search?q=crude+oil+price+today&rlz=1C9BKJA_enUS615US616&oq=&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8


I haven't followed up but my previous speculation was that the damage would not be that bad and would be repaired quickly.

My company is monitoring it very closely. They are very lucky crude prices have dropped. The damage seems to have been mitigated. We are seeing things as stable which is a huge relief for our local teams.

flown-the-coop said:

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Per the Truth, gas prices lowest in 5 years.

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Possible sign of economic slow down or because we are headed into winter? But dont prices spike at the start of winter because of heating oil?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/experts-warn-gas-price-spikes-073500904.html

Predicting 10-20c increase. This is just for the exploded refinery.

Shutdown #1: Phillips 66 shutting down Dec 2025.
Shutdown #2: Valero Benicia shutting down mid 2026.

https://tankterminals.com/news/california-refinery-closures-eliminate-290000-barrels-daily-capacity/

Facility Specifications:
Phillips 66 Wilmington: 145,000 barrels/day capacity
Valero Benicia: 145,000 barrels/day capacity
Combined impact: 17-18% reduction in state refining capacity
Timeline: Complete closure within 12 months

Consolidation Timeline:
1980s: ~40 active refineries
2000s: ~20 active refineries
2025: ~12 active refineries
Post-closures: ~10 active refineries

Supply Coordination Challenges:
Capacity Limitations: Remaining facilities have limited spare capacity
Transportation Constraints: Pipeline and shipping limitations for inter-state transfers
Blend Requirements: Difficulty matching California's specialised fuel specifications
Economic Pressures: Similar cost challenges affecting other regional refineries

Security Risk Factors:
Import Dependency: Increased reliance on international fuel supplies
Transportation Vulnerabilities: Shipping and pipeline constraints
Geopolitical Exposure: International supply disruption risks
Quality Control Challenges: Ensuring imported fuels meet California specifications

Really good article laying it all out. Prices have remained steady but will pickup at the end of this year and increase into 2026. The biggest issues are loss of capacity that's not being replaced and with the Cheveron plant down its going to amplify the 2 others closing. Gonna get real expensive out there.

Gavin Hussein Newsom doesn't understand molecule management. Here's the skinny for him: sell the molecule (of gasoline) for as few dollars as possible. This is where he fails, he tries to sell the gasoline (molecule of) for as many dollars as possible. This is a fallacy

Meanwhile, gas is threatening to dip below $2/gal in Oklahoma.....

Great information. Thanks.

Kinder Morgan and P66 announced plans for the Western Gateway.

Just yesterday HF Sinclair announced expansion plans being evaluated for PADD 4 and 5.

I paid 2.19 yesterday in Katy, TX

Enviroag02 said:

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Kinder Morgan and P66 announced plans for the Western Gateway.

Just yesterday HF Sinclair announced expansion plans being evaluated for PADD 4 and 5.

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Since you didnt provide any context:

https://ir.kindermorgan.com/news/news-details/2025/Phillips-66-and-Kinder-Morgan-Inc--Announce-Binding-Open-Season-for-Western-Gateway-Pipeline-2025-52ZX4pJ2EN/default.aspx

I can see AZ and NV being able to use TX refined products but CA has its own standard. Thats a long way to pump product so even if supply is increased there will be a much higher transportation costs. I am curious of how TX production would be impacted since the plants would be to be retooled for a CA blend.

HF Sinclair with expansions from SLC to Reno.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/hf-sinclair-considers-pipeline-expansions-boost-west-coast-fuel-supply-2025-10-29/

"The initial phase, which includes increasing capacity by an estimated 35,000 barrels per day to move fuel from its Rockies production into Nevada, is expected to be online in 2028. This would include expanding the Pioneer Pipeline, a jointly-owned asset with Phillips 66, that connects Sinclair, Wyoming to Salt Lake City, Utah, as well as its UNEV Pipeline that runs from Salt Lake City, Utah, to Las Vegas, Nevada."

Elections have consequences.
-Barry Obama

I believe HF Sinclair has also completed a project at the PSR to produce more CARB gasoline.

Let's pray gas is stupid high come November and the Dems are still preaching affordability

I actually hope that this crushes Cali. That firetrucks and ambulances run out of gas and can not come when called. Food does not get delivered to the cities. Garbage Trucks can not pickup. Cars stalled out all over major highways. While the other 49 states enjoy ~$2/gal.

Maybe then these Cali Idiots will wake up and realize that the Dems/Libs are not as smart as they claim and have led them in the wrong direction for years.

PCC_80 said:

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I actually hope that this crushes Cali. That firetrucks and ambulances run out of gas and can not come when called. Food does not get delivered to the cities. Garbage Trucks can not pickup. Cars stalled out all over major highways. While the other 49 states enjoy ~$2/gal.

Maybe then these Cali Idiots will wake up and realize that the Dems/Libs are not as smart as they claim and have led them in the wrong direction for years.

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Don't hold your breath. Their level of idiocy knows no bounds.

They get what they voted for

It will be even more hilarious when cities have to increase taxes to cover their fuel price surges for EMS,Fire,Police,Trash,and fleet vehicles.

You mean you hope people die due to political idiocy again?

I mean, I want them to come to their senses and stop shooting themselves in the foot for "social justice," but let's not get crazy.

What most people out there cant seem to grasp is the pump price isnt the only issue. All business will see some sort of spike and will have to adjust prices
Taxes will go up.

And businesses already struggling to make it in that environment will look at the cost of business and I think there will be a mass exodus. Because this isnt temporary. They'd have to permit more wells and new refineries which they wont.

AlaskanAg99 said:

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What most people out there cant seem to grasp is the pump price isnt the only issue. All business will see some sort of spike and will have to adjust prices
Taxes will go up.

And businesses already struggling to make it in that environment will look at the cost of business and I think there will be a mass exodus. Because this isnt temporary. They'd have to permit more wells and new refineries which they wont.

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Actually, they have and are trying to do more. The problem is one of too little, too late.

Gilligan said:

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PCC_80 said:

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I actually hope that this crushes Cali. That firetrucks and ambulances run out of gas and can not come when called. Food does not get delivered to the cities. Garbage Trucks can not pickup. Cars stalled out all over major highways. While the other 49 states enjoy ~$2/gal.

Maybe then these Cali Idiots will wake up and realize that the Dems/Libs are not as smart as they claim and have led them in the wrong direction for years.

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Don't hold your breath. Their level of idiocy knows no bounds.

They get what they voted for

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And then some. Their next 'brilliant' idea is to implement a 2 to 9 cent mileage tax, as clearly the problem with their roadways is that their government doesn't confiscate enough wealth to maintain them from residents.

Newsom's California set to slap a mileage fee on drivers for each mile driven after successful 'pilot-program'
California's six-month Road Charge Collection Pilot officially concluded in January with state officials now analyzing data and preparing a comprehensive report that… pic.twitter.com/NzVWmbUwBd

— Mike Netter (@nettermike) November 30, 2025

CA Democrats, by simple majority vote, quietly forced through a per mile mileage tax on all vehicles

This new tax will be for ALL vehicles, not just EVs

Will cost you 2 to 9 cents for every single mile that you drive https://t.co/poIaMw9YGJ

— Silicon Valley GOP (@svgop) January 31, 2026

I have to assume they will make illegal aliens and non-citizens exempt from the tax (or figure out some other metric to make it 'equitable'), but haven't read anything on that yet.

HalifaxAg said:

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Let's pray gas is stupid high come November and the Dems are still preaching affordability

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Highest I paid was $6.50/gal during California Covid.

And Newsom still got re-elected.

Gas prices at the pump would need to be at least $12/gal to get any voters attention.

That's one way to reduce gasoline consumption.

Logos Stick said:

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That's one way to reduce gasoline consumption.

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Federal government passed the exact same laws California is rolling out (vehicle mileage fee and invasive tracking) in the Infrastructure Bill. It just hasn't been implemented yet.

Thus, if you live in California you are going to get double dipped on owning a car when you have to pay both state and federal vehicle mileage fees. And if you drive an ICE vehicle you will pay federal vehicle mileage fees, state vehicle mileage fees, and gas taxes.

California has the highest poverty rate in the country and they are going to make it infinitely worse to even be able to drive yourself to a job to get yourself out of it.