MemphisAg1 said:

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More than one thing can be true at a time:

1. Biden was awful
2. Trump is a YUGE improvement

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3. Trump's tariffs are creating massive uncertainty and supply chain cost which are dialing back hiring and investments broadly. He owns the soft job market now. It's his, not Biden's. He's making a bet that it results in more job growth in the future. Time will tell if he's right, but right now we're in the "pain" part of the journey.

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I mean, at some point we gotta look at recent events.

Example:

Trump tariffs the crap out of China.
China decides to not buy 12.5 billion in soybeans from US farmers.
China buys soybeans from Argentina instead of U.S.
Trump gives $20 billion to Argentinian president bc… why?
Trump now considering $10 billion bailout to farmers.

That example alone is a massively incompetent series of events.

YouBet said:

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5thGenAg said:

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rocky the dog said:

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You honestly don't remember who was president in 2020?

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Irrelevant. Don't let some minor date quibble on a meme distract you from the fact that the Biden admin claimed the largest job growth in history based on a black swan outlier event as their baseline which makes their entire argument false for obvious reasons.

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Why is that? Trump botched it and Biden fixed it.

Aggie4Christ09 said:

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MemphisAg1 said:

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More than one thing can be true at a time:

1. Biden was awful
2. Trump is a YUGE improvement

... and...

3. Trump's tariffs are creating massive uncertainty and supply chain cost which are dialing back hiring and investments broadly. He owns the soft job market now. It's his, not Biden's. He's making a bet that it results in more job growth in the future. Time will tell if he's right, but right now we're in the "pain" part of the journey.

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I mean, at some point we gotta look at recent events.

Example:

Trump tariffs the crap out of China.
China decides to not buy 12.5 billion in soybeans from US farmers.
China buys soybeans from Argentina instead of U.S.
Trump gives $20 billion to Argentinian president bc… why?
Trump now considering $10 billion bailout to farmers.

That example alone is a massively incompetent series of events.

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It's the tip of the iceberg. It will only get worse. Trump will tell you otherwise, because all he does is lie.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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YouBet said:

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5thGenAg said:

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rocky the dog said:

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You honestly don't remember who was president in 2020?

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Irrelevant. Don't let some minor date quibble on a meme distract you from the fact that the Biden admin claimed the largest job growth in history based on a black swan outlier event as their baseline which makes their entire argument false for obvious reasons.

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Why is that? Trump botched it and Biden fixed it.

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He fixed it? With what? False numbers produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics for immediate dispersal to Democrat Party media outlets, only to be revised downward and barely discussed a quarter later?

That is your "idea" of a fix.

Carter left Reagan with a similar problem: a government-centric economy stuck in a rut with increasing issues related to energy availability and private sector investment.

Took Reagan some time to fix it. It'll take Trump time as well.

When Trump does resolve the issue and getw this nation closer to a truly free market economic model, then your 2028 Democrat nominee is going to take a beating similar to the one Mondale received in 1984.

This discussion unearths a very important facet to the American way of thinking. That everything is short term. No one thinks long term anymore. India and China are much better at it that us (though I can point to their failings too). Maybe prosperity brings forth complacency.

Our PResidents across both parties sold us out for 45 years. It will take more than 4.5 months to fix this mess and there will be mistakes and some more pain.

AggieHammer2000 said:

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YouBet said:

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5thGenAg said:

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rocky the dog said:

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You honestly don't remember who was president in 2020?

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Irrelevant. Don't let some minor date quibble on a meme distract you from the fact that the Biden admin claimed the largest job growth in history based on a black swan outlier event as their baseline which makes their entire argument false for obvious reasons.

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Why is that? Trump botched it and Biden fixed it.

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There you are. Was wondering when someone would pop their head up who doesn't understand statistics or Economics.

You can't use a black swan outlier event that closed the damn planet and then use the natural bounce back coming out of that event as some sort of policy success for Biden. I would laugh at Trump or anyone else who tried to say Trump "fixed" it as well.

Biden didn't fix anything. If anything, he likely stifled the bounce back we could have had.

Goodness gracious. lol.

Well nothing is fixed yet. But hopefully we are getting there.

" Biden lied to us. He said the job market was great. It is not."

Companies, universities, and gov't organizations were encouraged to prop up an administration that thrived on deceit. It's going to take a little time to bleed off the faux optimism that the Biden administration promoted through their propaganda machine for 4 years. Corrections to unemployment, inflation, and GDP metrics were just the beginning.