….every aspect of woke and its adoption into the military since 1990…..can we do the same with the "Boy Scouts of America"…..just go back to rules as they were….say year 1965 and restart BSA?

That would be unbelievably cool.

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….every aspect of woke and its adoption into the military since 1990…..can we do the same with the "Boy Scouts of America"…..just go back to rules as they were….say year 1965 and restart BSA?

That would be unbelievably cool.

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Robert Gates made sure we can never go back. He destroyed the Boy Scouts of America. Great guy, Bob.

If they would just go back to what is was in the 90s I'd be happy. It's a shell of itself today.

Boy Scouts are gone. It should be called "Them Scouts"

What about the theys and zirs that want to attend? Stop being a bigot!

unpopular opinion - The girls who join the boy-scouts are less likely to be from families that would tolerate kids who try to be they/thems

They just want more than selling cookies.

More like a baseless opinion.

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unpopular opinion - The girls who join the boy-scouts are less likely to be from families that would tolerate kids who try to be they/thems

They just want more than selling cookies.

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Why sell delicious cookies when you can sell mediocre popcorn?

Based on my experiences with BSA in the 80s and 90s and my experiences with it over the past 15 years, this seems like misplaced anger. BSA units can choose to be boys only, girls only, or mixed. If a particular unit is doing db things, that's more on the leaders being dbags than the program. Maybe others here have had different experiences though.

Sucks about BSA but I would just put my kids in the competitor program that is what the BSA used to be. Forget the name.

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More like a baseless opinion.

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New to Texags?

Add 4-H to the list

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Add 4-H to the list

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4-h might be more woke than scouts

My daughter did BSA because she was interested in climbing mountains in Alaska, not selling cookies. She got to do a ton of great trips and campouts, and leaned that she's a pretty shot with a .22

Also her girls only troop ran circles around a lot of the boys troops we crossed paths with.

My son is still in BSA, and I got roped into organizing the High Adventure trip this year. Going to take a good crew of boys down to Sea Base.

I live one of the bluest places in America, but the adults helping out with the troop are all very normal people who want their kids to get outside and learn something. BSA has lost members, but it's mostly due to the sex abuse scandals/lawsuits, not anything "woke" creeping in.

Girls are making a very positive influence in Scouting, both with their numbers and the leadership that they are providing. Scouting in the US has been coed for many years going back to the 70's for the older girls scouting has been coed at all age levels in many countries. This is not new. They still say the same Scout oath and law that I did when I joined in 1963. Were mistakes made by the national volunteer leadership along with the professional staff, yes's but that happens in any organization. Many complain that membership is down,

but so is the birth rate and there is so much more to compete for kids and parents time.

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Sucks about BSA but I would just put my kids in the competitor program that is what the BSA used to be. Forget the name.

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Traillife USA
https://www.traillifeusa.com/

American Heritage Girls
https://americanheritagegirls.org/

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4-h might be more woke than scouts

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Hopefully they haven't ruined FFA.

Good for thought:

Our church sponsors multiple scout troops and a Girl Scout troop.

We provide houses for them to use. Because we provide the resources all have to submit their "lesson plans" for the year for Executive Council to review. I did this for four years and the curriculum difference between the two programs are night and day.

I think girls in scouts is a WAY better option than girls in GS.

My daughter did Girl Scouts for about a year. Between the constant sales of **** and the COVID fearmongering she had enough. When they announced they were going to do a virtual camp out she asked to quit and I was happy to let her.

So then it sounds like we have options for everyone now:

- GS for wasting your daughters time which sounds pretty typical of a girls only endeavor

- BSA for a co-ed experience closer to what the BS used to be plus risk of pedos

- Trail Life for boys only throwback to the old BSA

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Sucks about BSA but I would just put my kids in the competitor program that is what the BSA used to be. Forget the name.

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clearly you know so much about both organizations

sometimes it's best to not comment

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YouBet said:

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Sucks about BSA but I would just put my kids in the competitor program that is what the BSA used to be. Forget the name.

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clearly you know so much about both organizations

sometimes it's best to not comment

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Here to serve.

Seems like a great opportunity for someone to start a new organization that is what the Boy Scouts used to be.

Wow talk about an organization that has been eradicated from our community and consciences. They used to meet at our church, but no more. They have been replaced by the Czech society and by church camps along with UM ARMY, Bighouse and other community centric youth projects.

Boy Scouts downfall started with the woke policies that drove away the mormons and 30% of BSA's revenue (LDS churches made BSA mandatory for their boys), then the sex abuse law suits gutted the organization's finances. Letting girls in was a money play to survive. Then the churches that typically would charter the units listened to lawyers and pulled out.

None of that killed it, just made it worse. What killed it is Board of Reviews being essentially performative. Check the box, get rank. It became fully dead when a 13 year old girl got Eagle and every single merit badge. Eagle doesn't mean what it used to.

You can find good troops and people but it isn't about raising good men anymore. It's about checking boxes.

Summer camp experience isn't about the boys, it's about chasing the girls like everything else in their life.

I get why girls do BSA and I don't blame them, wish it didn't come at the cost of a male only institution. In 10 years youth membership will be overwhelmingly female. Its already 20%.

RIP Boy Scouts.

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Based on my experiences with BSA in the 80s and 90s and my experiences with it over the past 15 years, this seems like misplaced anger. BSA units can choose to be boys only, girls only, or mixed. If a particular unit is doing db things, that's more on the leaders being dbags than the program. Maybe others here have had different experiences though.

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That shouldn't be allowed though. That's the whole point. It's BOY Scouts of America. Girls have their own ***** Just let the boys have Boy Scouts.

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Bob Knights Liver said:

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Based on my experiences with BSA in the 80s and 90s and my experiences with it over the past 15 years, this seems like misplaced anger. BSA units can choose to be boys only, girls only, or mixed. If a particular unit is doing db things, that's more on the leaders being dbags than the program. Maybe others here have had different experiences though.

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That shouldn't be allowed though. That's the whole point. It's BOY Scouts of America. Girls have their own ***** Just let the boys have Boy Scouts.

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There are actually no co-ed troops. The ones that look like that are two separate troops that those leaders are running together.

You just have to be careful in what troop you choose, just like you have to pay attention to if the troop is truly boy-led
Or if it's the adults doing everything.

My son just joined this year and is having a blast, plus as other have said, it gets him outdoors and in another time of common fellowship. The troop has a great Scoutmaster and Asst Scoutmasters and a ton of Dads help volunteers. They also organize way more activities for all ages rages (between Philmont, high adventure etc) then either troop I was in growing up in Scouting in the late 80s early 90s fwiw

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YouBet said:

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Sucks about BSA but I would just put my kids in the competitor program that is what the BSA used to be. Forget the name.

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Traillife USA
https://www.traillifeusa.com/

American Heritage Girls
https://americanheritagegirls.org/

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This. My son has been in Trail Life since first grade. It's an awesome program.

As with any organization, your real experience is based on your local troop and local leadership, not what's going on nationally. Ours is boys only chartered by a local Catholic church, all of the leaders are down to earth and not woke, and only care about giving the boys a good experience and leadership growth. Our boys are thriving and the cub scout pack is the largest in the area, some of our best memories are campouts, new experiences and learning things we never would've outside of scouts. My hope is that those with young boys are not dissuaded by the negative Nancy's on this thread and seek out the right pack/troop for their young boys to give scouting a try,

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Seems like a great opportunity for someone to start a new organization that is what the Boy Scouts used to be.

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They did. It's called Trail Life. See this thread.

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As with any organization, your real experience is based on your local troop and local leadership, not what's going on nationally. Ours is boys only chartered by a local Catholic church, all of the leaders are down to earth and not woke, and only care about giving the boys a good experience and leadership growth. Our boys are thriving and the cub scout pack is the largest in the area, some of our best memories are campouts, new experiences and learning things we never would've outside of scouts. My hope is that those with young boys are not dissuaded by the negative Nancy's on this thread and seek out the right pack/troop for their young boys to give scouting a try,

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Your Catholic church likely won't recharter this year, ours dropped us last year. All around liability in sex abuse cases, the Bishop had the audacity to take a stance that BSA was dangerous for children, right after a letter he wrote naming all the sex abusing evil priests his organization had been sheltering for decades.

So, if chartered with a Catholic church check now and have a backup plan... we were notified AFTER sending all the documentation in and had to scramble to get a new chartering organization and a facility use agreement in place with the Catholic church we are a "part" of.

Boy vs Girl Troops are true but summer camps are coed now which has greatly diminished their unique impact on boys as they become men. We can also talk about the Eagle Required Citizenship in Society merit badge that was added recently (https://www.scouting.org/merit-badges/citizenship-in-society/) AKA the Woke Badge.

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Who?mikejones! said:

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4-h might be more woke than scouts

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Have you ever heard of FHA? It doesn't exist anymore but it runs FFA now.

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Based on my experiences with BSA in the 80s and 90s and my experiences with it over the past 15 years, this seems like misplaced anger. BSA units can choose to be boys only, girls only, or mixed. If a particular unit is doing db things, that's more on the leaders being dbags than the program. Maybe others here have had different experiences though.

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That shouldn't be allowed though. That's the whole point. It's BOY Scouts of America. Girls have their own ***** Just let the boys have Boy Scouts.

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There are actually no co-ed troops. The ones that look like that are two separate troops that those leaders are running together.

You just have to be careful in what troop you choose, just like you have to pay attention to if the troop is truly boy-led
Or if it's the adults doing everything.

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Not completely true. There has been a pilot program going for the last year. It's a very limited number in each council, but they are running "combined" troops to see the feasibility of long term co-ed troops. From what I've seen and talked to others, the pilot is working out very well.

Where to start?

First a little bit about me. I've been a registered Scoutmaster since 1982. In 1973, I was the Crew Leader for the first co-ed trek to go through Philmont. I am a Vigil member of the Order of the Arrow and a recipient of the Silver Beaver award for outstanding service at the Council level. I am also very active with our local Cub Packs.

First off let me address the exit of the Mormon Church from Scouting. This had been planned years before any membership changes were made by the BSA, now Scouting America. The Mormons wanted a program that would be the same for all of their members throughout the world, not different in every country. Had the Scouts stayed the same, the Mormon Church would have still left. As it is, they still allow their youth to participate in Scouts if they desire to.

Second. Anyone who knows anything about both the Scouting America program and the Girl Scout program understands they are nothing alike. While the GUSA does have an outdoor program, it is not a major part of most units whose leaders have no interest in it. They ae predominately arts, crafts, and cookie sales. When my wife was a leader, we had to reach out to every Troop in the district just to get enough interest for one back packing crew. Most of the girls who join Scouting America want the full outdoor program experience that is not offered by the GUSA.

Third. Boys can still be boys. My Troop is part of the co-ed pilot program so we have both boys and girls. They are in separate patrols. If the boys want to go off and do stupid boy things like I did when I was a Scout, they are more then able to go do so. The same for the girls. But when they are together, they learn how they are supposed to behave around and respect the opposite sex.

As for the Citizenship In Society merit badge, when done properly, it leads the Scout through a series of self explorations about how they react to and interact with people who come from a different background then themselves. It is not WOKE in the least bit. I thought it would be when they first announced it, but I was wrong.

The aim of Scouting America is to prepare the next generation of American leaders to lead, be resourceful, and self sufficient. Why should we restrict that only to our young boys?

I know, I know! Long winded pontification but it is something I am passionate about. I've seen the results over the years. I've had the pleasure of presenting more than 50 Eagle badges to my Scouts and seen them start to contribute to society. They've gone on to serve in all branches of the military. One is even a big whig with the US Navy Band. One of my Eagles is a director at the Mayo Clinic. Several are current LEOs. A couple are lawyers. None have every run afoul of the law.

Trail Life and Heritage Girls are worthy organizations as well. I would never denigrate them to try and get someone to join Scouts, so it really irks me when people try to put down Scouts to generate interest in them.

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox.

BEAT THE CLASS OF '77 HELL OUT OF MISSISSIPPI STATE!