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If he is a skilled physician in a high need area and there are no native physicians available than just pay the 100,000 a year fee

That's not an exorbitant amount and the fees he would bill over the course of the year would more than compensate for the fee

Or you could offer more compensation for an American trained physician to relocate

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TacoKitKat said:

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Nice. For a truly high quality candidate, a 100K signing bonus is not atypical out here in CA. **** I got 40k from a startup, 50k from a FANG and that wasn't even for a staff level position. 100k added cost will cut out all the garbage tier contractors while still be in the realm of what companies are forking out anyway for real engineers - just to uncle Sam now maybe instead of the candidate. What it will kill are all the trash contractors we only pay $100-$150k/year to out here that displace entry level domestic candidates.

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Do we really not have enough high quality American born engineers? Not rhetorical, I truly don't know. Seems that should always be the priority.

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We don't have enough American Engineers who are willing to live 4 men in a 2 bd apartment in the Silicon Valley.

StandUpforAmerica said:

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If true, this is a step in the right direction. I can only speak for my company, but 95% of the visa holders that I know do not possess any special skill that should prioritize them over U.S. citizens.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-h1b-visa-bill-100000-fee/

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The Trump administration is planning to add a $100,000 to the fee for H-1B visa applications, taking aim at a program that is used to attract highly skilled workers to the U.S.


The additional fee, which was confirmed to CBS News by a White House official, would impact employers including tech giants such as Amazon, IBM, Microsoft and Google, which have relied on the program to hire foreign workers.

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Reliably showing up for work is a special skill these days

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TacoKitKat said:

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Nice. For a truly high quality candidate, a 100K signing bonus is not atypical out here in CA. **** I got 40k from a startup, 50k from a FANG and that wasn't even for a staff level position. 100k added cost will cut out all the garbage tier contractors while still be in the realm of what companies are forking out anyway for real engineers - just to uncle Sam now maybe instead of the candidate. What it will kill are all the trash contractors we only pay $100-$150k/year to out here that displace entry level domestic candidates.

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Do we really not have enough high quality American born engineers? Not rhetorical, I truly don't know. Seems that should always be the priority.

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We do. Corporations don't want to pay them an American wage. Indians will do it for cheaper and are de facto slaves because they are beholden to the H1B.

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Even if American wage was not set by unions and a bit more in line with production and demand reality? They should pay that. There is something wrong with a system that always give a cheapest option for labor because overseas. In a convoluted way slavery started that way in net motive.

I heard about this at a bar last night and knew a certain poster would be orgasmic over this.

I can't wait for work in Monday to hear the wailing from our H-1Bs and others who love to hire them.

I've known a couple managers who love the program because H-1Bs are stuck working for you. So under crappy leadership, it's a kind of retention program.

I love the $100k annual fee, the only problem is, we've been driving Americans out of IT for so long now that it's going to take several years to get back to reasonable levels of competency.

HollywoodBQ said:

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I heard about this at a bar last night and knew a certain poster would be orgasmic over this.

I can't wait for work in Monday to hear the wailing from our H-1Bs and others who love to hire them.

I've known a couple managers who love the program because H-1Bs are stuck working for you. So under crappy leadership, it's a kind of retention program.

I love the $100k annual fee, the only problem is, we've been driving Americans out of IT for so long now that it's going to take several years to get back to reasonable levels of competency.

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The parallel to indentured and slavery precedent becomes closer than thought given that. Hmm.

infinity ag said:

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Let's wait for things to settle down and the actual law to be clarified. I expect the law to be amended and modified a bit over the next few weeks much like Trump's tariffs.

The ball has started rolling so that is good.

I want this fee to apply to ALL H1Bs, not just those in the country. I don't think that is happening now.
I want this fee to apply annually, not just 1 time when renewed.

Foreigners do not have a right to American anything. That is what it means by a US citizenship. Americans get privileges and rights than non Americans do not get.

The other question I have is what prevents US companies from offshoring all their work to India? What about other abused visas like L1, EB1 etc?

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So is it annually or one time only?

Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

StandUpforAmerica said:

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Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

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Pathetic

StandUpforAmerica said:

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Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

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It would not surprise me if Trump/Lutnik intentionally misled everyone with the "per year" statements. This way, Trump can please his poor base, who would absolutely want this; and Trump can please his actual constituents- big corporations who do not want this.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/restriction-on-entry-of-certain-nonimmigrant-workers/

Here's the full text you can read for yourself. It says nothing about per year and only applies to entry. Womp womp.

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/restriction-on-entry-of-certain-nonimmigrant-workers/

Here's the full text you can read for yourself. It says nothing about per year and only applies to entry. Womp womp.

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Trump does not work for his base unfortunately. All he can give us is meaningless overtures.

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I hope this doesn't go for renewals. I have an H-1B that is my best employee. He's in the process of waiting for his green card, but since he's Indian, it will take years. If I have to replace him, I'm going to be very disappointed.

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There's a disappointed American wanting that job... and it won't cost you a dime.

Pfffffft

Rex Racer said:

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I hope this doesn't go for renewals. I have an H-1B that is my best employee. He's in the process of waiting for his green card, but since he's Indian, it will take years. If I have to replace him, I'm going to be very disappointed.

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He has to go back

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Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

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It wouldn't have held up under legal review to demand an immediate $100K for employers with a guy working for them who has a valid 6 year visa. They are valid for 3 years and can be extended up to 6 total. But, note that if they leave (and re-enter the country), or change employers, they have to re-apply.

And note, most H1B hires change jobs. These aren't stable "I'm an IBM man and intend to retire here" positions by any means.

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Several causes for this increase are possible. The labor market has generally been tighter, leading tomore job switching in general. In addition, more H1B workers are employed in the United States now for other employers to poach, and because the H1B cap has been so quickly met every year since 2014, there is more reason to poach. The government also made it somewhat easier to switch H1B jobs in 2017 by giving them a sixty-day grace period to find a new job after losing a job.

Finally, the jump in switching in 2021 is at least partially attributable to the record number of green card applications filed that year. After 180 days, H1B workers who have filed a green card application may change jobs without the employer being forced to restart the green card process, easing the job-switching process. However, in 2022, the number of pending employment-based green card applications declined from 2021, so this is only part of the story.

Of course, it is true that H1B workers are still not treated equally in the labor market. New H1B employers have to pay hefty fees to poach them, and the shortage of green cards for Indian workers can wrongly make those workers feel that they have to stick with their existing employer to complete that process. The best solution would be to make the conversion to a green card automatic rather than requiring a renewal after three years. The sixtyday grace period to find a new job is still not long enough to give many workers the confidence to simply quit a problematic job without a new one already lined up.

Despite these government-imposed obstacles, the existence of widespread H1B job shifting further refutes the idea that H1B workers are "indentured" servants. The Pew Research Center reports that 2.1 percent of college graduates changed jobs per month in 2022. The population of H1B workers is estimatedto be about 580,000. The data aren't directly comparable, but with just over 117,000 H1B transfers in 2023, this implies a monthly job change rate of 1.7 percentlower, but nothing remotely like the hyperbolic claims of "indentured servitude."

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We really don't want the new fees to cause an economic disruption, but we do want it to be manageable as this reliance/manipulation by certain 'bad actor' companies is cut back over a period of years. I think that is what this new structure will facilitate. They're not indentured servants, by any means, but we needed this to avoid a 'detrimental reliance' case before too many OBiden judges such that the new fees would be struck down.

I've hired quite a few H1-Bs over the years. It's because graduate schools across Texas were heavily weighted that way. We will see how long that trend takes to go back.

But I'll tell you, if Trump "talked to big companies " and they are "ok" with it. It's because they plan to accelerate their transition away from H1-B to direct outsourcing to contractors in India.

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I've hired quite a few H1-Bs over the years. It's because graduate schools across Texas were heavily weighted that way. We will see how long that trend takes to go back.

But I'll tell you, if Trump "talked to big companies " and they are "ok" with it. It's because they plan to accelerate their transition away from H1-B to direct outsourcing to contractors in India.

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While I agree with you in principle, it has been proven time and time again over the last 20 years that Indians in India are mostly terrible workers (from a productivity standpoint).

So what I see happening is that those H-1B "top talent" will now be in High Demand for $60k USD worth of Rupees.

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I hope this doesn't go for renewals. I have an H-1B that is my best employee. He's in the process of waiting for his green card, but since he's Indian, it will take years. If I have to replace him, I'm going to be very disappointed.

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No offense, but at this point I'm ok with a little collateral damage.

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No offense taken, but I love the guy, and he's a tremendous asset.

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If he's that much of an asset, pay the fee for him.

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He only loves that he can work him "like a dog". That is all what it comes down to. Money.

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Nice. For a truly high quality candidate, a 100K signing bonus is not atypical out here in CA. **** I got 40k from a startup, 50k from a FANG and that wasn't even for a staff level position. 100k added cost will cut out all the garbage tier contractors while still be in the realm of what companies are forking out anyway for real engineers - just to uncle Sam now maybe instead of the candidate. What it will kill are all the trash contractors we only pay $100-$150k/year to out here that displace entry level domestic candidates.

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Do we really not have enough high quality American born engineers? Not rhetorical, I truly don't know. Seems that should always be the priority.

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We do. Corporations don't want to pay them an American wage. Indians will do it for cheaper and are de facto slaves because they are beholden to the H1B.

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Back in 2001, I had this Indian friend, H1B (who is now in the UK). He took me to his place of living and I was shocked. It was an apartment with about 3 rooms and 10 Indian men sitting on the floor with their laptops looking for "projects". They'd sleep there and when they got a "project", they would go wherever. Back then the going rate for a software engineer was about $60k in that location but I am sure these guys would work for $40k.

They had no problem living 10 to an apartment, had no wife or kids with them hence were able to depress the wages of the place. Who benefits? The rich CEOs. Who lost? Residents of the area who did not get hired and could not afford the property taxes and had to leave causing house prices to fall, turning the place into a future ghetto.

These actions cause US towns to fall into ruin.

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Nice. For a truly high quality candidate, a 100K signing bonus is not atypical out here in CA. **** I got 40k from a startup, 50k from a FANG and that wasn't even for a staff level position. 100k added cost will cut out all the garbage tier contractors while still be in the realm of what companies are forking out anyway for real engineers - just to uncle Sam now maybe instead of the candidate. What it will kill are all the trash contractors we only pay $100-$150k/year to out here that displace entry level domestic candidates.

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Do we really not have enough high quality American born engineers? Not rhetorical, I truly don't know. Seems that should always be the priority.

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We don't have enough American Engineers who are willing to live 4 men in a 2 bd apartment in the Silicon Valley.

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Exactly. And I have seen worse. 10 men to 3 room. All sitting on the floor with their laptops. Not in SV though. Boomers will respond with "so what? They are hustling, so deserve the jobs. The person working the hardest for the lowest cost should get the job.".

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I heard about this at a bar last night and knew a certain poster would be orgasmic over this.

I can't wait for work in Monday to hear the wailing from our H-1Bs and others who love to hire them.

I've known a couple managers who love the program because H-1Bs are stuck working for you. So under crappy leadership, it's a kind of retention program.

I love the $100k annual fee, the only problem is, we've been driving Americans out of IT for so long now that it's going to take several years to get back to reasonable levels of competency.

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I know you are talking about me and you are right.

But I am orgasmic because I love America. We have something special here. I don't want it to be ruined for good just because some people want to get rich unethically.

I am sure Charlie Kirk would have agreed with everything I am saying.

I get a lot of hate and taunts here, but that is okay. I definitely have opened the eyes of a good number of people over the past 2 years. This is a MAJOR scam happening on America and only now are people talking about it. My efforts are restricted to TexAgs for obvious reasons.

Tell us about how the H1Bs will try to convince you that they are good, but America will suffer from their absence. This is the line I hear from the H1Bs I know and on Linkedin.

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infinity ag said:

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Let's wait for things to settle down and the actual law to be clarified. I expect the law to be amended and modified a bit over the next few weeks much like Trump's tariffs.

The ball has started rolling so that is good.

I want this fee to apply to ALL H1Bs, not just those in the country. I don't think that is happening now.
I want this fee to apply annually, not just 1 time when renewed.

Foreigners do not have a right to American anything. That is what it means by a US citizenship. Americans get privileges and rights than non Americans do not get.

The other question I have is what prevents US companies from offshoring all their work to India? What about other abused visas like L1, EB1 etc?

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So is it annually or one time only?

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It's confusing right now, unfortunately.

Lutnick clearly said annually. The EO does not seem to say annually, it just says fee. Many news agencies are saying annually.


I believe the EO will be cleaned up and reinforced because I don't think corps know either.

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Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

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Yes, but in some ways it will.

They are stuck in this country. If they go to India and come back, the 100k will kick in during entry.
They will need to get their H1B renewed when it expires. It will kick in then also.

Yes, it should have been for ALL H1Bs. They dropped the ball there.

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I've hired quite a few H1-Bs over the years. It's because graduate schools across Texas were heavily weighted that way. We will see how long that trend takes to go back.

But I'll tell you, if Trump "talked to big companies " and they are "ok" with it. It's because they plan to accelerate their transition away from H1-B to direct outsourcing to contractors in India.

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I think so too. That part sounded fishy to me. If outsourcing numbers increase, Trump will look like an idiot.

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Aggrad08 said:

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I've hired quite a few H1-Bs over the years. It's because graduate schools across Texas were heavily weighted that way. We will see how long that trend takes to go back.

But I'll tell you, if Trump "talked to big companies " and they are "ok" with it. It's because they plan to accelerate their transition away from H1-B to direct outsourcing to contractors in India.

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While I agree with you in principle, it has been proven time and time again over the last 20 years that Indians in India are mostly terrible workers (from a productivity standpoint).

So what I see happening is that those H-1B "top talent" will now be in High Demand for $60k USD worth of Rupees.

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This does not matter. US CEOs don't care about long term. They want to show short term cost savings, get their bonus and scoot.

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Some more figures.

It’s kinda crazy one country accounts for 73% of H-1B’s. Thats what should be addressed. I believe the most loyal, brightest, hardest workers should be able to come here without the need for such a fee. Making it that high you might as well just end the entire program. pic.twitter.com/eSXORk9kpD

— Bü (@Bubu4yu) September 19, 2025

Analysis from Stock Knocks AI

"Estimated EBITDA impact % on #Infosys from the new $100k H1B Fee imposed by Trump"#h1bvisa #Trump pic.twitter.com/4ktuYseWSl

— Vishnu Agarwal (@vishnuagarwal64) September 20, 2025

For #TCS, sponsoring 8,120 workers would translate into an annual cost of $812 million. For #Infosys , it would be $492.6 million. These are not one-time costs but recurring annual expenditures. Such figures are unsustainable and would obliterate the profit margins of companies pic.twitter.com/AVtI0ym0rh

— Bramesh Bhandari (@brahmesh) September 20, 2025

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We all know for a fact that the end result will not be them hiring any people here, but offshoring everything. They are ethnically loyal to the core and will never hire Americans.

I hope these companies are destroyed and forbidden from doing business in the US.

HollywoodBQ said:

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I heard about this at a bar last night and knew a certain poster would be orgasmic over this.

I can't wait for work in Monday to hear the wailing from our H-1Bs and others who love to hire them.

I've known a couple managers who love the program because H-1Bs are stuck working for you. So under crappy leadership, it's a kind of retention program.

I love the $100k annual fee, the only problem is, we've been driving Americans out of IT for so long now that it's going to take several years to get back to reasonable levels of competency.

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It won't take long to bring Americans up to speed because one American is worth 20 Indians. I know some IT companies that never hire H1-Bs and all they do is cleanup messes left by these people and charge huge rates to do it and then call the companies absolute morons for their original plans. They have strict requirements about who they do business with and if a company breaks them they immediately stop work until it is fixed. One of them is that they do not allow their work to touch anyone in India because they have had it stolen repeatedly.

I'm not at all concerned about competency in this regard, I've never met a truly solid Indian engineer.

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Unfortunately this 100k charge doesn't appear to impact those already here.

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Not true, every time they travel or renew it does.

Applies retroactively to anybody with an active visa.

— Norman Angleson 🇺🇸 (@AnglesonNorman) September 20, 2025

they said so in the @WhiteHouse announcement stream

— Norman Angleson 🇺🇸 (@AnglesonNorman) September 20, 2025

They say a lot of things but the devil is in the details

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HollywoodBQ said:

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I heard about this at a bar last night and knew a certain poster would be orgasmic over this.

I can't wait for work in Monday to hear the wailing from our H-1Bs and others who love to hire them.

I've known a couple managers who love the program because H-1Bs are stuck working for you. So under crappy leadership, it's a kind of retention program.

I love the $100k annual fee, the only problem is, we've been driving Americans out of IT for so long now that it's going to take several years to get back to reasonable levels of competency.

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It won't take long to bring Americans up to speed because one American is worth 20 Indians. I know some IT companies that never hire H1-Bs and all they do is cleanup messes left by these people and charge huge rates to do it and then call the companies absolute morons for their original plans. They have strict requirements about who they do business with and if a company breaks them they immediately stop work until it is fixed. One of them is that they do not allow their work to touch anyone in India because they have had it stolen repeatedly.

I'm not at all concerned about competency in this regard, I've never met a truly solid Indian engineer.

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I have met several solid Indian engineers.The thing is those were from the 90s.
They came to the US, went to good US schools like A&M and others for their grad school. They came from the IITs and other good undergrad Indian schools.

The problem is because of Y2K, it became a volume business. "Why hire 1 American when we can get 4 Indian engineers?!" sounded attracted to stupid and greedy US CEOs (who did not own their companies). That led to Indian offshoring companies picking people off the streets of Hyderabad with fake resumes and sending them to work in the US for gullible and greedy American managers. Hence you see the standards falling sharply.

90s engineer versus 00s engineer, vastly different. I have seen it myself.

This is good news overall but I think it was shoddily and hastily put together.

There are too many open questions right now and no one knows for sure. The team should have spent an extra week to plug the gaps and written up a more concrete EO.

Or maybe that was the goal in the first place? To fool the MAGA base while making nice with the CEOs?

Start packing.

Actually it's India, China, and Canada.https://t.co/57ZTsABSNG

— Seth Bannon (@sethbannon) September 20, 2025

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I hope this doesn't go for renewals. I have an H-1B that is my best employee. He's in the process of waiting for his green card, but since he's Indian, it will take years. If I have to replace him, I'm going to be very disappointed.

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No offense, but at this point I'm ok with a little collateral damage.

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No offense taken, but I love the guy, and he's a tremendous asset.

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You can take it out of your 401k

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Rex Racer said:

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Rex Racer said:

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I hope this doesn't go for renewals. I have an H-1B that is my best employee. He's in the process of waiting for his green card, but since he's Indian, it will take years. If I have to replace him, I'm going to be very disappointed.

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No offense, but at this point I'm ok with a little collateral damage.

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No offense taken, but I love the guy, and he's a tremendous asset.

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You can take it out of your 401k

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So there you have it... America is screwed. India will be fine.

Let's pack up our tech industry boys. We are done for,