Dems losing voters per the NYT

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LMCane
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Maroon Dawn said:

Sounds like they need to double down on open borders, soft on crime, Trans Kids, tax hikes, America Last foreign policy, 40th Week abortions, men in women's sports and all the other winner issues they love so much

but Gavin Newsom hired people to tweet like Donald Trump!!
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Apollo79 said:

lobopride said:

I am pro Trump as they come but the Republicans need to get a backbone on the debt or we won't even have a country.

never gonna happen, when does this impending debt doom supposed to occur been hearing this for all my life now.


While you're correct about hearing about debt issues you're whole life (and my entire teen and adult life), the problem we're getting into is the amount of interest payments on the debt. Since the '80s, we've had a big enough budget to hide interest payments on national debts of roughly $1-5 trillion. We don't and probably won't have a big enough budget to handle such payments on debt of over $20 trillion and we're almost double that now.

I would like to see Trump come out opposed to raising the debt ceiling EVER. Take the issue off the table for Republicans, essentially.
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Tailgate88 said:

aginlakeway said:

Maybe they need to stop trying to defend indefensible positions on issues.

Let's hope they don't.
Fall92
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I also think the R numbers will increase as Trump finishes his last term. Say what you want but he's clearly very polarizing and there are many never trumpers in both parties that could still be picked up.
"I did nothing. I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything that I thought it could be."
ts5641
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For our country's sake I hope they never climb out of that hole.
ts5641
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TheEternalOptimist said:

The Democrats are in a precarious position now.

They have not only alientated ANYONE that is Centrist-Liberal and to the right of that..... but their national party is HATED by the far left Socialists/Communists within it. It is literally eating itself.

Hakeem Jeffries is struggling to distance himself from the Socialist Far Left flank - and now they want to primary Jeffries in NYC.

All while Trump has been effective at MOST of his domestic and foreign policy initiatives.



Cautionary tale though. I think it was after Sotero was reelected that things looked pretty bleak for the GOP. Then Trump came along and changed that narrative. It can happen that quick. We need to take full advantage every day we're in control.
LMCane
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TheEternalOptimist said:

Democrat birth rates have collapsed much faster than Republican birth rates as well.

A 2018 study from the Institute for Family Studies found that women who identify as conservative or Republican-leaning have a total fertility rate (TFR) of about 2.0 children per woman, compared to roughly 1.6 for women identifying as liberal or Democratic-leaning. This gap of 0.4 children per woman translates to conservatives having about 25% higher fertility.

Post-2020 Context: The Demographic Intelligence Family Survey (DIFS) from 2020 to 2022 indicates a widening fertility gap between religious and nonreligious Americans, suggesting that devout groups (including Conservative Christians among Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestants) maintain higher fertility than secular groups.

While the birth rate among Conservatives did experience decline, the decline was far-far sharper among Liberals. There are also numerous left/liberal folks who believe having children 'hurts the environment' along with a far far higher rate of abortion amongst liberal women.

I believe the 2030 census will show that Conservative birth rates will have increased in the .2 to .3 range while the Liberal birth rate declines further. This also does not take into account that Conservatives are far more likely to adopt than Liberals as well.

This is a part of the long term math against the Democrats that can only be offset by unfettered immigration of people groups that are dependent on Democrat handouts... which creates Democrat voters.



and NOW you see why obama and biden threw open the gates of the United States

to millions of future democrat party voters.

and why Western Europe has done the same thing.
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Squadron7 said:

Their constant leghumping of the criminal class might be a reason for this.

There are people who hate Trump so much, they would rather continue seeing more crime than agree with Trump that it should be reduced. What a time to be alive.
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Gigem314 said:

Squadron7 said:

Their constant leghumping of the criminal class might be a reason for this.

There are people who hate Trump so much, they would rather continue seeing more crime than agree with Trump that it should be reduced. What a time to be alive.


Yep. They feel almost obligated to go against Trump on issues. Even the ones where he's right. Ridiculous.
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Apollo79 said:

lobopride said:

I am pro Trump as they come but the Republicans need to get a backbone on the debt or we won't even have a country.

never gonna happen, when does this impending debt doom supposed to occur been hearing this for all my life now.


You clearly have put your fingers in your ears on the math and how things now are not remotely what they were even 10 years ago. Been explained to you before. Nothing last forever. I guess in your ostrich world this can go on forever.
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TheEternalOptimist said:

The Democrats are in a precarious position now.

They have not only alientated ANYONE that is Centrist-Liberal and to the right of that..... but their national party is HATED by the far left Socialists/Communists within it. It is literally eating itself.

Hakeem Jeffries is struggling to distance himself from the Socialist Far Left flank - and now they want to primary Jeffries in NYC.

All while Trump has been effective at MOST of his domestic and foreign policy initiatives.





they are the outoborus


AtticusMatlock
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The number of people who consider themselves independent is increasing. A lot of these people who do not affiliate with either party will still show up and vote for a centrist-sounding Dem over a MAGA Republican.

Democrats have done a better job of fitting Congressional candidates to districts than Republicans over the last several cycles.
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The shifts also previewed Democratic weaknesses in 2024. The party saw some of its steepest declines in registration among men and younger voters, the Times analysis found two constituencies that swung sharply toward Mr. Trump.


It's almost like insulting and vilifying young men was the wrong move? Nah. The only logical recourse is to DOUBLE. DOWN. Hold the line Dems!
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But Democrats are divided and flummoxed over what to do.


Man this article just keeps on giving.
Logos Stick
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AtticusMatlock said:

The number of people who consider themselves independent is increasing. A lot of these people who do not affiliate with either party will still show up and vote for a centrist-sounding Dem over a MAGA Republican.

Democrats have done a better job of fitting Congressional candidates to districts than Republicans over the last several cycles.


They will also vote for Unicorns.
Ag_of_08
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It all depends on the next couple of years. If we keep ignoring bad policy and spending like idiots, jobs keep evaporating, and people keep having to hunt new jobs, you can pretty well guarantee that trend wont hold, especially if the DNC can rebrand after letting the radicals burn largely out.


Trump ran ona very obamesque "hopes and dreams...CHANGE !!!!" Platform.... it either pays off or crashes epically.
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Logos Stick said:

Hopefully this translates into a victory the next two election cycles. The next time a Dem takes the presidency, the border is gone.

The article is not paywalled.

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The Democratic Party is hemorrhaging voters long before they even go to the polls.

Of the 30 states that track voter registration by political party, Democrats lost ground to Republicans in every single one between the 2020 and 2024 elections and often by a lot.

That four-year swing toward the Republicans adds up to 4.5 million voters, a deep political hole that could take years for Democrats to climb out from.


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All told, Democrats lost about 2.1 million registered voters between the 2020 and 2024 elections in the 30 states, along with Washington, D.C., that allow people to register with a political party. (In the remaining 20 states, voters do not register with a political party.) Republicans gained 2.4 million.



https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/20/us/politics/democratic-party-voter-registration-crisis.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Would be interesting to see how many of the dem losses came from eliminating the dead and non-existent people from voter rolls.
APHIS AG
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And that is where Gerrymandering in the Blue States comes in. Illinois is a good example with California right behind.

Never underestimate a Democrat for they will go all out to win, by hook or by crook.

They have been doing this for decades along with complacent Republicans allowing them to get away with their shenanigans, dirty tricks, and of course, "the big lie"..
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Science Denier
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All told, Democrats lost about 2.1 million registered voters between the 2020 and 2024 elections in the 30 states, along with Washington, D.C., that allow people to register with a political party. (In the remaining 20 states, voters do not register with a political party.) Republicans gained 2.4 million.


Trump's team actively fought cheating. Many court battles win over blatant cheating. Purging voter rolls wherever possible was the biggest loss of lib voters of all.
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APHIS AG said:

And that is where Gerrymandering in the Blue States comes in. Illinois is a good example with California right behind.

Never underestimate a Democrat for they will go all out to win, by hook or by crook.

They have been doing this for decades along with complacent Republicans allowing them to get away with their shenanigans, dirty tricks, and of course, "the big lie"..

Illinois is starting to approach a critical level where the GOP may very well upend the gerrymander in the next 2-3 State election cycles. Trump nearly pulled an upset there. And made tremendous gains in the Chi suburbs and with Hispanics in the state.
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YouBet said:

Apollo79 said:

lobopride said:

I am pro Trump as they come but the Republicans need to get a backbone on the debt or we won't even have a country.

never gonna happen, when does this impending debt doom supposed to occur been hearing this for all my life now.


You clearly have put your fingers in your ears on the math and how things now are not remotely what they were even 10 years ago. Been explained to you before. Nothing last forever. I guess in your ostrich world this can go on forever.

LMAO every 3 days one here since forever there has been a thread on the impending financial doom yet here we are.

Weird like you guys are hoping you lose everything and the country to suffer to say look I told you so.
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You have to wonder exactly how many of our tax dollars the sorry SOBs spent each year to 'recruit' and register D voters. I'm sure they have a secret stash that's off the books and leftover somewhere from USAID/NGO but will it be enough? Organic support doesn't provide nearly enough voters.

They have nothing at all to sell, except for doling out some scraps but even those are drying up w Trump. It turns out much of the 'identity politics' support was smoke and mirrors.

Will be interesting to watch their fundraising. Trump will definitely keep a spotlight on any corporate support and apply public pressure where needed.

Oh, the key is the MSM is withering on the vine. Lots of stars are lining up for the Rs if they get their sh_t together with messaging IMO.
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Jack Squat 83 said:

You have to wonder exactly how many of our tax dollars the sorry SOBs spent each year to 'recruit' and register D voters. I'm sure they have a secret stash that's off the books and leftover somewhere from USAID/NGO but will it be enough? Organic support doesn't provide nearly enough voters.

They have nothing at all to sell, except for doling out some scraps but even those are drying up w Trump. It turns out much of the 'identity politics' support was smoke and mirrors.

Will be interesting to watch their fundraising. Trump will definitely keep a spotlight on any corporate support and apply public pressure where needed.

Oh, the key is the MSM is withering on the vine. Lots of stars are lining up for the Rs if they get their sh_t together with messaging IMO.

That's the great thing about Dems, they spend like drunken sailors and do graft on a scale like no other. They are not savers, they are spenders so the USAID spigot turning off was a HUGE body blow to them.
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Prosperdick said:

Jack Squat 83 said:

You have to wonder exactly how many of our tax dollars the sorry SOBs spent each year to 'recruit' and register D voters. I'm sure they have a secret stash that's off the books and leftover somewhere from USAID/NGO but will it be enough? Organic support doesn't provide nearly enough voters.

They have nothing at all to sell, except for doling out some scraps but even those are drying up w Trump. It turns out much of the 'identity politics' support was smoke and mirrors.

Will be interesting to watch their fundraising. Trump will definitely keep a spotlight on any corporate support and apply public pressure where needed.

Oh, the key is the MSM is withering on the vine. Lots of stars are lining up for the Rs if they get their sh_t together with messaging IMO.

That's the great thing about Dems, they spend like drunken sailors and do graft on a scale like no other. They are not savers, they are spenders so the USAID spigot turning off was a HUGE body blow to them.


Well, there is 10% that no longer has to go to the no longer a Big Guy.
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Jack Squat 83 said:

Maroon Dawn said:

Sounds like they need to double down on open borders, soft on crime, Trans Kids, tax hikes, America Last foreign policy, 40th Week abortions, men in women's sports and all the other winner issues they love so much

Nice job with the list.

Would one of our left-leaning posters please explain how you support the above? Please take them one by one. TIA.


A lot of them don't. That's the point of the thread. That's why they are losing voters every day and it will get worse before it gets better.

Most of the positions you mentioned above are not left or liberal or really principled in any way. They are just stupid.

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