I find the news out of Canada confusing because it seems like they are making some very bad decisions. Then, I see they were left out of the summit yesterday:

Mark Carney wasn’t in DC he was clearly NOT invited showing the world Canada’s irrelevant

Instead? He’s in Ottawa, laughing his face off with Doug Ford.

Housing crisis. Capital flight. Tariffs.
🇨🇦🇺🇸 chaos.

Not ONE thing he’s done well. Not one.pic.twitter.com/NkCb4t2GKU

— Marc Nixon (@MarcNixon24) August 18, 2025

I think they expected that their tariff fight would go better and they would align with a lot of European countries, but that didn't seem to happen. And, it seems they are struggling with many other areas.

The problem is that the "news" is all so politicized that I can't get a read on it.

The idea of making them the "51st state" doesn't seem like a good idea to me either, because we probably wouldn't want to bring in a lot of the eastern part. I've been to Alberta and it seems very much like it could work for us, though.

I'm curious from our Canadian Ags what the real story is on the country. I generally feel it is never as dire or positive as the news shows. . .

What is the true state of the country?

Canada has never really been relevant, but why would Canada be invited to a meeting about Europe?

There are many very relevant countries that were not invited yesterday.

Idiot Canadians should have voted for Pierre Poilievre. Trump was indirectly responsible for tanking his numbers.

Now we have more of the Trudeau crap with Carney.

Canada is overrun with Punjabis and Muslims. They are in trouble.

Sometimes I forget Canada actually exists.

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What is the true state of Canada?

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actually they call them provinces

You'll never know how Canada is actually doing because the media is 100% in the tank for the Commie progressives. They will arrest anyone on some tyrannical hate speech crime who dares try to speak out.

Im Gipper said:

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Canada has never really been relevant, but why would Canada be invited to a meeting about Europe?

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To be fair, Canada is a founding member of NATO.

Poilevre's team was both rude and disrespectful to the Trump one. Carney will be easier to deal with, he just has to be decimated economically first.

"Polievre Is A Coward" - Donald Trump Jr EXPOSES Pierre's PM Collapse@patrickbetdavid @TomEllsworth @VincentOshana @sostalksmoney pic.twitter.com/q1kjNfBXx6

— PBD Podcast (@PBDsPodcast) May 2, 2025

I think Canada does matter, but this is a longer game.

My wife is Canadian and keeps close tabs on things in Atlantic Canada.

Housing and food inflation are crushing them. But they do love big daddy government crushing those terrorist truckers protesting COVID lockdowns.

They have billions of acres of undeveloped land and unlimited timber but can't seem to find the right mix of laws, regulations, and price controls to compel people to build affordable houses.

The government literally sets the retail price of gasoline each week. They can't help themselves, government is going to be their savior if they just elect NDP one more time.

The 51st

An authoritarian state that sort of manages to maintain the appearance of democracy just enough that most Canadians don't realize yet (or aren't willing emotionally to accept because their personal identifies are so intertwined with their secular, left-wing politics) that they're already living in an Orwellian dystopia under the rule of a globalist cabal that is committing cultural (and economic) genocide against it's own people (the ancestral, overwhelmingly Christian, Anglo-French populations of Canada).

For a long time now about the only refuge real Canadians had left was hockey culture... but even that has been significantly compromised by the woke, left-wing, cultural marxism of the Canadian establishment. Hell, before the first puck drop, even in places like Alberta, the game begins with a "land acknowledgment," and if you make it to the first intermission of a game on Canadian television you'll likely be treated to a vignette highlighting the virtues of a taxpayer funded "hockey is for everyone" program in some impoverished community, where "marginalized" peoples (girls/women, minorities, immigrants, "first nations" peoples, the disabled, gays, lesbians, transgenders, etc.) are heroically taking on the vestiges of "toxic masculinity" that still "plague" the traditional hockey culture of the country.

The long game seems to be to get the Provinces from Saskatchewan West to secede and either join the US or make a separate deal with the US, we win either way. Everything East of there is in a death spiral. BC has a big liberal component as well but they won't want to go it alone or to be an outpost with Alberta and Saskatchewan between them and the East, they have leverage because they connect Alaska and the Continental US as well.

Make no mistake either, this is a major humiliation for Canada. They see themselves as very relevant and if not equal with the US in most things certainly equal to most of Europe and to be respected. To have that many European countries invited to talk and for Canada to be left out is a massive rebuke. Canada has been very vocal on Ukraine and sent over $20 Billion of their own money into the abyss of that war as well, that's significant for them.

I think Trump truly didn't want Pierre because he would have done a lot to fix Canada and bring it back together. I think Trump truly wants to break them and Carney is ideal for that, he's a snarky liberal who has zero appeal to Western Canada which is where the value is in that country. Remember that in Canada a Province can vote to secede and it only takes a majority vote, Quebec has almost seceded not that long ago and has always used the threat of secession to gt all kinds of ridiculous concessions and money from the other Provinces. For instance every other Province must do everything in English and French but Quebec all but bans English which of course makes no sense. They are also heavily subsidized and have little true industry.

CheeseSndwch said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Canada has never really been relevant, but why would Canada be invited to a meeting about Europe?

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To be fair, Canada is a founding member of NATO.

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So is Iceland.

Guess who else wasn't needed yesterday?

Mostly solid...

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Idiot Canadians should have voted for Pierre Poilievre. Trump was indirectly responsible for tanking his numbers.

Now we have more of the Trudeau crap with Carney.

Canada is overrun with Punjabis and Muslims. They are in trouble.

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Pierre is basically a Rino he lost cause he was a bad Candidate

Wouldn't be surprised if the western provinces voted to leave. They're tired of being the Districts to Ottawa's Capital and can see the absolute disaster if Carneys plan to have Canada join the EU were to happen since they'd even worse restrictions on their agriculture and energy industries as well as EUs even worse open border policies.

Canada has a legal option of leaving the federation and I can see Alberta, Saskatchewan and possibly Manitoba leaving. BC is interesting because they're more liberal but they're also not fans of basically having no say in their own government and don't want to be an isolated island of Canada.

These provinces will then either join the US or form a new country friendlier to the US than Canada

Has any politician fumbled a lead as bad as Pollievre did without a scandal?

It didn't help when he blew off DJT Jr. reaching out to them, and then going nuclear on the Trumps. It's not about 'loyalty' at all but the Trumps don't like being disrespected, from what I have read.

Can't remember the source piece but something along those lines came out in the past month as to why Trump '47 decided to tacitly back Carney.

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infinity ag said:

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Idiot Canadians should have voted for Pierre Poilievre. Trump was indirectly responsible for tanking his numbers.

Now we have more of the Trudeau crap with Carney.

Canada is overrun with Punjabis and Muslims. They are in trouble.

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Pierre is basically a Rino he lost cause he was a bad Candidate

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LOLWUT?

He's more conservative than 99.5% of the Rs in Congress, and 100% more than the WH.

Dafuqusmokin?

There's a quote about Canada that goes something like this:
"Canadians had one of the most amazing opportunities. They had the ability to have English manners, French food, and American technology. Instead, they opted for English food, French technology, and American manners."


They're Canada. They're like the Baylor of countries. Most of the time, you forget they exist. When they do something to remind you they exist, they usually screw it up or do it in some weird way that has many laughing at them. And the whole time, they insist they are much more relevant than anyone gives them credit for.

Years ago, The Hubs and I took a vacay in Maui. There was an older couple from BC downstairs from our second floor cottage. We had drinks with them every night. Iris and Irwin. Absolutely lovely couple, Iris was very outspoken, zero GASs about how much she hated Canada, other than their horse farm and that their kids and grandkids were there. Hated the Canadian healthcare system.

Only Canadian Grand Ol' Dame I have ever met. We stayed in touch via email until Irwin died a few years later.

was mexico invited? pretty similar

Apollo79 said:

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infinity ag said:

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Idiot Canadians should have voted for Pierre Poilievre. Trump was indirectly responsible for tanking his numbers.

Now we have more of the Trudeau crap with Carney.

Canada is overrun with Punjabis and Muslims. They are in trouble.

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Pierre is basically a Rino he lost cause he was a bad Candidate

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Anecdotally, I have a like-minded conservative friend in BC. I assumed from Poilievre's online interviews that my friend would be all-in on getting him elected as a replacement for Trudeau. He made it clear that he and other conservatives have very little respect for Pierre, though I wasn't really able to get the specifics as to why that was the case.

They are a bunch of boiled frogs, and I don't just mean Quebec.

And they are happy to be boiled frogs.

A Net Full of Jello said:

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There's a quote about Canada that goes something like this:
"Canadians had one of the most amazing opportunities. They had the ability to have English manners, French food, and American technology. Instead, they opted for English food, French technology, and American manners."


They're Canada. They're like the Baylor of countries. Most of the time, you forget they exist. When they do something to remind you they exist, they usually screw it up or do it in some weird way that has many laughing at them. And the whole time, they insist they are much more relevant than anyone gives them credit for.

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I gotta admit though, their people helped ours in the Iran hostage mess. Like they said in Argo, "Always be friends with the Canadians."

Im Gipper said:

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CheeseSndwch said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Canada has never really been relevant, but why would Canada be invited to a meeting about Europe?

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To be fair, Canada is a founding member of NATO.

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So is Iceland.

Guess who else wasn't needed yesterday?

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Canada, was one of the first countries to recognize and independent Ukraine. They have supported Ukraine steadfastly through the war and have provided them with weapons. You can bet that if relations with the US were better, their PM would have been there. Its a short trip. It was a deliberate snub.

Texmid said:

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Sometimes I forget Canada actually exists.

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I work for a Montreal based company. If you saw the women there you'd very much know that something exists up there.

51st

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Im Gipper said:

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CheeseSndwch said:

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Im Gipper said:

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Canada has never really been relevant, but why would Canada be invited to a meeting about Europe?

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To be fair, Canada is a founding member of NATO.

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So is Iceland.

Guess who else wasn't needed yesterday?

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Canada, was one of the first countries to recognize and independent Ukraine. They have supported Ukraine steadfastly through the war and have provided them with weapons. You can bet that if relations with the US were better, their PM would have been there. Its a short trip. It was a deliberate snub.

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Canada hasn't provided Ukraine with crap.

The US provided them with those weapons THROUGH Canada.

76% of Canada's economy is the United States.

They don't have anything that's their own. Everything comes from us except polar bears and Eskimos.

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Poilevre's team was both rude and disrespectful to the Trump one. Carney will be easier to deal with, he just has to be decimated economically first.

"Polievre Is A Coward" - Donald Trump Jr EXPOSES Pierre's PM Collapse@patrickbetdavid @TomEllsworth @VincentOshana @sostalksmoney pic.twitter.com/q1kjNfBXx6

— PBD Podcast (@PBDsPodcast) May 2, 2025

I think Canada does matter, but this is a longer game.

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Polievre loves his country and wants to fix it. He's the Desantis of Canada. Trump worked against him because he knew he wouldn't be able to bully him.

In a perfect world, we have Desantis running America with Pierre running Canada. Both countries prosper.

If Canada didn't border the US it'd be no more important than Finland or some semi anonymous European country. They're nothing without us. Reality is slapping them in the face.

Canada is striving and doing a really great job at claiming to be the most pussified nation in the world

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If Canada didn't border the US it'd be no more important than Finland or some semi anonymous European country. They're nothing without us. Reality is slapping them in the face.

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Exactly right if Canada did not border the United States, they would not have any of their sports teams. They would be a very irrelevant unheard of forgotten about country.