Can you imagine FDR and Ike taking questions as to what part of France or Poland should go to Hitler.

Oh, I dont know. Maybe he would have just armed our allies to the teeth.

RDV-1992 said:

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Based on the situation they are currently in, they will need to buy peace. That probably means land to Russia.

Edited to add: it doesn't matter if I'm happy or not. What matters is if the Ukrainians will accept the outcome.

They aren't winning without foreign boots on the ground. I'm opposed to direct US intervention. So I think that ending it somehow is the best thing for us.

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What about the poor people that live it the land being given to Russia? How do they feel about becoming Russian subjects. Do they abandon their homes and flee to the West?

Burpelson said:

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Can you imagine FDR and Ike taking questions as to what part of France or Poland should go to Hitler.

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Get back to me when Putin takes control of most of continental Europe within a year, then this ridiculous comparison might hold some weight.

flown-the-coop said:

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Ukraine would have sold those nukes to the highest bidder as soon as times got tough.

People like to underestimate just how ingrained corruption is in their country.

It's the reason they had to give up the nukes. It's the reason we only give them blankets and some weapons. If you gave Z a nuke tomorrow he would lob it at Moscow or sell it to Iran. It would never be used to "keep the peace".

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Yep

Seems few remember the 1990's and 2000's. When the Soviet Union collapsed it left behinds immense amounts of armaments in Ukraine which they gladly sold to any third world tinpot, terrorist org, cartel, etc, that had the cash. Shamelessly.

Burpelson said:

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Can you imagine FDR and Ike taking questions as to what part of France or Poland should go to Hitler.

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The more accurate comparison is Truman and Ike seeing the bigger picture and not starting a war with the Soviets when they didn't give East Germany and parts of Eastern Europe back.

malibucharles said:

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RDV-1992 said:

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Based on the situation they are currently in, they will need to buy peace. That probably means land to Russia.

Edited to add: it doesn't matter if I'm happy or not. What matters is if the Ukrainians will accept the outcome.

They aren't winning without foreign boots on the ground. I'm opposed to direct US intervention. So I think that ending it somehow is the best thing for us.

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What about the poor people that live it the land being given to Russia? How do they feel about becoming Russian subjects. Do they abandon their homes and flee to the West?

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I would hope there would be a period when those people get to choose where to live. Want to go with ukriane? Move over there. Want to be russian? Stay here.

Give Russian the land they desire and in return we give nukes back to Ukraine. $100 says this wont happen again!

I don't care where on the world map they draw the borders in Eastern Europe . . .

as long as the maps correctly identify the Gulf of America!

Crimea has already previously decided to rejoin mother Russia via referendum from their own people. That's why crimea was annexed long before Biden's "minor incursion".

The state of Ukraine did not even exist until the 90s. Older "Ukrainians" consider themselves Russian already anyway, as they grew up in USSR, and especially in the donbass region, where most of the people would prefer to be Russian vs Ukrainian.

What Putin and Russia want is not really "land". They want security. NATO wasn't supposed to expand as much as it has. NATO countries can establish military installations and clearly Russia wouldn't like that on their doorstep.

Just give them donbass and guarantee no NATO- that's the Ukraine concession- and make Russia pay for reconstruction and guarantee no china / Iran deals - that's the Russia concession- and it leads to Russia making Euro gas / pipeline deals where the all unite and benefit against the world's real threats: China and Iran.

2040huck said:

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Would you be happy to see Ukraine give up some land to get a deal?

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Why would you frame this thread as a "UKRAINE land grab"?

Other than trolling?

UKRAINE didn't invade Russia, Russia invaded UKRAINE.

This is a RUSSIAN LAND GRAB...

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Old Army Ghost said:

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OP The only other option since ukraine cant beat russia is we go to war with russia

do you want to fight russia for ukraine?

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No I wouldnt have wanted to fight Germany for Poland or the Czechs either.

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There's a common denominator here: The Frogs (French) bullied the Germans after WW1, but they got humiliated & lost their part of WW2; France along with other Leftist European powers, along with several former US Presidents, were either complacent or purposeful in their provocation of Russia, so here we are again where US citizens face the costs & consequences of the Global Elites' games & gambles that solely enriches them at the risk of "Gold Star" families here at home.

Fatboy Thaddeus said:

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Now, you could argue that since 2022 we've done enough to deplete Russia to a point of balance with European powers. But that's far from a settled question for now.

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Europe is doing everything it can to hamstring itself, but right now Russia can't even beat Ukraine and it has an economy that's about 1/8 or 1/9 the size of the EU's.

It's a settled question.

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Crimea has already previously decided to rejoin mother Russia via referendum from their own people. That's why crimea was annexed long before Biden's "minor incursion".

The state of Ukraine did not even exist until the 90s. Older "Ukrainians" consider themselves Russian already anyway, as they grew up in USSR, and especially in the donbass region, where most of the people would prefer to be Russian vs Ukrainian.

What Putin and Russia want is not really "land". They want security. NATO wasn't supposed to expand as much as it has. NATO countries can establish military installations and clearly Russia wouldn't like that on their doorstep.

Just give them donbass and guarantee no NATO- that's the Ukraine concession- and make Russia pay for reconstruction and guarantee no china / Iran deals - that's the Russia concession- and it leads to Russia making Euro gas / pipeline deals where the all unite and benefit against the world's real threats: China and Iran.

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Hahaha...

So, when the people of Crimea said "yes we want to be Russian" while the Russians held guns against their heads....I guess they decided to "rejoin mother Russia".


I mean, their other choice was a dirt nap, but....

GenericAggie said:

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Crimea is effectively Russian anyway. Give their people the option to leave to Ukraine.

I bet very few leave. Nothing really changes in their lives.

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A LOT has ALREADY changed in their life.

They're being force fed Russification...

But, based on your post, you'd be OK if that happened to you...

Burpelson said:

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Can you imagine FDR and Ike taking questions as to what part of France or Poland should go to Hitler.

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Can you imagine FDR & Ike reading about American University students chanting Nazi slogans like "Death to Zionist" & being discriminatory towards Jews after those two coordinated a world war fought to liberate those under the Nazi boot, but especially after seeing firsthand the extent that someone's hatred against Jews can take them, both by liberating Nazi Extermination Camps AS WELL AS watching CNN on Oct. 7th?!?!

Well your opinion on that depends on how much western propaganda vs Russia propaganda you consumed. The truth, as with anything, is likely somewhere in the middle. Not sure how many people from Crimea you really know. I know some. But how much of all of this should the American tax payer care? We're 38 trillion dollars in debt and other economic factors make it hard for us to even service our debt. Russia is not a threat to us. Communism still is, but that enemy is China and democrats- not Putin. Settle and focus on real risks and threats is my position. A Russia that depends on selling to Europe instead of selling to China and Iran is beneficial to world peace. A Russia that no longer needs China and Iran weakens China and Iran and that is beneficial to world peace.

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And what's to say that Russia will not try to get more land in the future

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Then let's nuke the Russians. Just in case.

I have been influenced? Yes, by the never ending flow of money to Ukraine to be laundered. It was all wasted, from my perspective.

Not sure who you think is influencing me. If one of us is under the influence, it most certainly isn't me.

malibucharles said:

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RDV-1992 said:

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Based on the situation they are currently in, they will need to buy peace. That probably means land to Russia.

Edited to add: it doesn't matter if I'm happy or not. What matters is if the Ukrainians will accept the outcome.

They aren't winning without foreign boots on the ground. I'm opposed to direct US intervention. So I think that ending it somehow is the best thing for us.

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What about the poor people that live it the land being given to Russia? How do they feel about becoming Russian subjects. Do they abandon their homes and flee to the West?

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That's not our problem. It's Ukraine's problem.

There are a lot of people in Kiev who want to rejoin Russia. I know some. Most of the people in Donbas already consider themselves Russian. This is not a conflict that should concern the American taxpayer so much when China and democrats are pushing us to the brink of communism. If Europe is worried about Russia compromising their corrupt money laundering puppet state, let it be their problem and not ours.

I'd be happy if these morons would quit fighting and having young men die for their jackass war. I'd be even happier if Trump was the peacemaker and the left had to swallow that pill.

The concept of the unified Ukrainian state is relatively modern. Kievan Rus was the last "Ukrainian" state and that was in the 9th century. So whose land is it?

In the end Ukraine will give up land as a trade off for some agreed status with the UN. Both sides will claim victory.

GenericAggie said:

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Crimea is effectively Russian anyway. Give their people the option to leave to Ukraine.

I bet very few leave. Nothing really changes in their lives.

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If Russia would settle for only Crimea.

Bob Knights Liver said:

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In the end Ukraine will give up land as a trade off for some agreed status with the UN. Both sides will claim victory.

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What does a UN status/note do for them? The only thing the UN is good at is laundering our money out to folks.

At least he's not mouthing off to the media right now. I think he did get the memo, after all.

Zelensky STANCE on territorial swap post-Trump meeting

Matter to be handled privately with Putin

‘Issue of territory is an issue that we will leave between me and Putin’ https://t.co/6TW2PZq0nd pic.twitter.com/54eW3deQTE

— RT (@RT_com) August 18, 2025

🇺🇦🇺🇸 Zelensky, after talks with Trump and European leaders, canceled a planned Fox News interview and left the White House. pic.twitter.com/Spim7UyeI7

— DD Geopolitics (@DD_Geopolitics) August 18, 2025

Ukes should cut the deal, then start a insurgent campaign in the dombas and crimea.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I don't care.

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End of thread. I'd love for Ukrainians and Russians get what they want. But in the end…I don't care.

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I'd love for the Russians to get what they deserve.

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Again no me care-o. It's a complicated issue and I'm not educated on it enough to attempt persuading others. It's much more complex than we are sold.

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Ah, the classic TexAgs case of a poster posting multiple times on a thread about how they don't care about the topic of the thread.

2040huck said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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OP The only other option since ukraine cant beat russia is we go to war with russia

do you want to fight russia for ukraine?

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No I wouldnt have wanted to fight Germany for Poland or the Czechs either.

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So, you agree with what actually happened.

As predicted, Zelensky is doing as he is told. I'm excited to watch this develop. I think we are getting closer.

Zelensky and the EU are handling this diplomatically pretty smart IMO right now. acting agreeable, thankful, pushing for a trilateral meeting with Trump and Putin, flattering Trump saying that only he could have opened the door to solve this, etc…basically everything needed to get Trump excited about the prospect of winning the Nobel Peace Prize by solving a problem only he can solve.

But there is (likely) no way that Putin is ever going to meet with Zelensky. The Russians are most likely going to string this thing along for as long as possible. And so Zelensky and EU are probably banking on Trump eventually getting really frustrated with Putin again, feeling embarrassed by Putin, and lashing out finally for real with some heavy additional sanctions, etc. but that will take probably at least a few more weeks to play out.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Zelensky and the EU are handling this diplomatically pretty smart IMO right now. acting agreeable, thankful, pushing for a trilateral meeting with Trump and Putin, flattering Trump saying that only he could have opened the door to solve this, etc…basically everything needed to get Trump excited about the prospect of winning the Nobel Peace Prize by solving a problem only he can solve.

But there is (likely) no way that Putin is ever going to meet with Zelensky. The Russians are most likely going to string this thing along for as long as possible. And so Zelensky and EU are probably banking on Trump eventually getting really frustrated with Putin again, feeling embarrassed by Putin, and lashing out finally for real with some heavy additional sanctions, etc. but that will take probably at least a few more weeks to play out.

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Welcome to negotiations.

If the war continues it continues. And I hope Russians will learn a hard and difficult lesson from their evil greed.

Pumpkinhead said:

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Zelensky and the EU are handling this diplomatically pretty smart IMO right now. acting agreeable, thankful, pushing for a trilateral meeting with Trump and Putin, flattering Trump saying that only he could have opened the door to solve this, etc…basically everything needed to get Trump excited about the prospect of winning the Nobel Peace Prize by solving a problem only he can solve.

But there is (likely) no way that Putin is ever going to meet with Zelensky. The Russians are most likely going to string this thing along for as long as possible. And so Zelensky and EU are probably banking on Trump eventually getting really frustrated with Putin again, feeling embarrassed by Putin, and lashing out finally for real with some heavy additional sanctions, etc. but that will take probably at least a few more weeks to play out.

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What do more sanctions accomplish strategically? Russia has shown great resourcefulness in using China and India to outmaneuver any and all sanctions the west puts on them. The sanctions aren't fun for Russia, but they can still operate freely and how they wish.

The only reason why the west hasn't made a deal sooner was because they wanted to demonstrate to Russia that they could keep the status quo going on indefinitely. There was some thought that after Trump came in that the flow of weapons would stop and it'd be easier for Russia to grab more territory and gain better concessions from Ukraine.

To some extent the west has shown that not to be the case and now Russia may be more inclined to wiggle a little bit on the security guarantees. The territory concessions are not the issue. Anyone with a brain knows that Russia is going to acquire 95% of the territory they've captured. The only reason why Zelensky keeps spouting off publicly about not ceding anything is so he doesn't look like a ***** and stain his legacy.

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2040huck said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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OP The only other option since ukraine cant beat russia is we go to war with russia

do you want to fight russia for ukraine?

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No I wouldnt have wanted to fight Germany for Poland or the Czechs either.

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And if Germany had nuclear weapons at the time, we probably wouldn't have fought them.

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Well, we didn't fight them for France, Holland, Belgium, Denmark, Norway or Great Britain. We only declared war on Germany AFTER Germany was forced to declare war upon us after Pearl Harbor due to their treaties with Japanese.

Can we send the foreign illegals over there and never pay Ukraine or any subversive ME countries any American money again? If so, I don't care who take land in Ukraine.