bam02 said:

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Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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Interesting hypothetical. Who would those FBI be there to arrest? What would the charges be in this hypothetical?

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Exactly, are they arresting people who are openly breaking laws that have been on the books for a long time in his scenario?

We actually have a very lenient and humane approach to illegal immigration and deportations compared to so many other countries that leftists adore. I believe in India, it is EIGHT years of prison for being there illegally?

These are crocodile tears, they don't really care. These liberal posters on here are the equivalent of AOC setting up a fake-crying photo shoot outside of a border detention center...when she never would have done the same under Obama. It's a joke. Don't even know why we exchange with these deceitful hypocrites.

Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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"Trump pardons 23 peaceful pro-life activists jailed under Biden"


https://thecatholicherald.com/article/trump-pardons-23-peaceful-pro-life-activists-jailed-during-the-biden-presidency

Fenrir said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Malibu said:

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How is that relevant to Newsom's press conference about gerrymandering? Sending federal law enforcement as a show of force against state political actors is certainly not something I view as an excellent sign of health in representative democracy.

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Look, I get what you are saying. Posturing and trolling at this scale is unseemly and a bit disturbing if the trend continues. I don't think shows of force for politics is good at all if it continues or escalates. BUT, this is the arena YOUR side chose. democrats did this. Trump is finally fighting fire with fire. If you want to be concerned, be concerned at the democrat political machine, their foreign funders, and the ideology behind it that that justifies it.

You are a sensible enough poster to know this is true.

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I'll never understand how he convinced so many posters that he is sensible and reasonable.

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Comparatively speaking of course.

There is a scale for leftists lunatics, and I consider Malibu to be on the better end. Doesn't mean he isn't still on the scale.

American Hardwood said:

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Fenrir said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Malibu said:

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How is that relevant to Newsom's press conference about gerrymandering? Sending federal law enforcement as a show of force against state political actors is certainly not something I view as an excellent sign of health in representative democracy.

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Look, I get what you are saying. Posturing and trolling at this scale is unseemly and a bit disturbing if the trend continues. I don't think shows of force for politics is good at all if it continues or escalates. BUT, this is the arena YOUR side chose. democrats did this. Trump is finally fighting fire with fire. If you want to be concerned, be concerned at the democrat political machine, their foreign funders, and the ideology behind it that that justifies it.

You are a sensible enough poster to know this is true.

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I'll never understand how he convinced so many posters that he is sensible and reasonable.

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Comparatively speaking of course.

There is a scale for leftists lunatics, and I consider Malibu to be on the better end. Doesn't mean he isn't still on the scale.

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The problem is, he doesn't think that Democrats/Leftist should be held accountable for their abuses and crimes.

For the Democrats, we are in the 'Find Out' phase right now. The expectation that Trump/Conservatives should not seek legal retribution for the injustices we suffered for the last 10 years is laughable.

Watching Malibu get dragged was worth opening the thread for.

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nortex97 said:

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LOL @ some patriot sending him a Trump '28 hat, and him losing his **** about it. Waste of a good hat, but still.

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I vehemently disagree that it was a waste of a good hat.

Sometimes, a good hat has to take one for the team.

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That was the funniest part of the PC lmao

TacosaurusRex said:

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Watching Malibu get dragged was worth opening the thread for.

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Never fails.

If ICE is sitting around trying to figure out where to send agents to maximize their effectiveness, and they determine that a Gavin Newsome press conference on gerrymandering is their best target…then the problem is very different than I imagined!

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If ICE is sitting around trying to figure out where to send agents to maximize their effectiveness, and they determine that a Gavin Newsome press conference on gerrymandering is their best target…then the problem is very different than I imagined!

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Judging by the hysteria, they aren't doing much sitting around. Guess they have a lot of energy after doing nothing for 4 years.

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Now that is hilarious. That is definitely the Trump administration giving the middle finger to Newsome. How stupid are those illegals that showed up to that press conference? You would think they would be trying to lay low, but I guess they were out to support one their democrat saviors.

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Wonder how many were paid by NGOs or Soros funded Foundations?

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isnt cali about as gerrymandered as possible?

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I would think so. Could be to the point that any redistricting they attempt would run afoul of laws?

BusterAg said:

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Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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The Biden administration did this already. That administration held people in solitary confinement without bail in unsafe conditions for years for simple trespass.

Nope, you get to point no fingers here.

Also, what would the FBI agent outside the abortion rally arrest people for?

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I get mocked often for being soft on liberals, but the composite character of F16 gets collective amnesia about my frequent defense of J6 protesters being entitled to Constitutional rights, and the dangers of illiberal lawfare pursued by Biden. Somehow I, instead of my arguments, become the content of conversation, but such is life on f16 and I appreciate posts like this that attempt to poke holes at my reasoning rather than poke holes at me in particular.

I don't have a problem enforcing immigration laws. I do have a problem when the specific goal isn't to enforce the law but to have a show of force against a political rival. That's the whole point of this stunt, its a stunt, meant to send a message of intimidation for political opposition, not make a legitimate good faith argument about gerrymandering nor immigration reform. I would like to see the US come back from a level of discord that will likely result in Balkanization, and see stuff like this as just steering closer to the iceberg.

Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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Bet the FBI did send undercover agents anb/or informants. The Democratic Party leadership was never ever transparent, always underhanded and always full of lies.

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Bird Poo said:

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Like raiding a president's home looking for "Russia Collusion" evidence or nuclear secrets? I'm sure you were just as outraged at the abuse of power.

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Ill concede on Leticia James lawfare and lets take this as another example of lawfare as well. Are you suggesting an escalating tit-for-tat strategy is a good thing?

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Please explain how this or any other investigations by the current DOJ is lawfare.

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AgBQ-00 said:

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isnt cali about as gerrymandered as possible?

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I would think so. Could be to the point that any redistricting they attempt would run afoul of laws?

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The most gerrymandered state is Massachusetts.

Malibu said:

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BusterAg said:

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Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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The Biden administration did this already. That administration held people in solitary confinement without bail in unsafe conditions for years for simple trespass.

Nope, you get to point no fingers here.

Also, what would the FBI agent outside the abortion rally arrest people for?

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I get mocked often for being soft on liberals, but the composite character of F16 gets collective amnesia about my frequent defense of J6 protesters being entitled to Constitutional rights, and the dangers of illiberal lawfare pursued by Biden. Somehow I, instead of my arguments, become the content of conversation, but such is life on f16 and I appreciate posts like this that attempt to poke holes at my reasoning rather than poke holes at me in particular.

I don't have a problem enforcing immigration laws. I do have a problem when the specific goal isn't to enforce the law but to have a show of force against a political rival. That's the whole point of this stunt, its a stunt, meant to send a message of intimidation for political opposition, not make a legitimate good faith argument about gerrymandering nor immigration reform. I would like to see the US come back from a level of discord that will likely result in Balkanization, and see stuff like this as just steering closer to the iceberg.

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The problem is, this was an act of law enforcement. Similar shows of force on the Dem side were indeed aimed solely for intimidation purposes. They did not arrest illegals at press conferences during Biden's term. They arrested Republicans.

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Turns out it was Border Patrol not ICE.

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nortex97 said:

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Of all the people Trump has broken, he's broken Gavin Newscum the most

— Whale Psychiatrist ™️ (@k_ovfefe2) August 14, 2025

LOL @ some patriot sending him a Trump '28 hat, and him losing his **** about it. Waste of a good hat, but still.

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Newsome is wrong. The things Trump is wrecking, besides Democrat narratives and golden cows, is poor Gavin's ego and odds of ever getting elected as President.

Trump has them rattled for sure.

This isn't directly lawfare, but both this and lawfare are using the power of the state for a purpose of intimidation or harassment. I certainly don't want this to be business as usual in America.

Malibu said:

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BusterAg said:

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Malibu said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Malibu said:

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A press conference to celebrate partisan gerrymandering and an armed show of force by the Trump administration in response. Oh what a circus, oh what a show...its quite a sunset.

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it is perplexing to me how people view the world the way you do.

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Gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic
Sending armed federal law enforcement at a political rally for gerrymandering: Bad for the Republic.

This wasn't coincidental timing, it was on purpose to troll. I can't even begin to imagine what the reaction on this board would have been if Obama sent FBI agents outside a Rick Perry anti abortion rally. I supposed I'm more perplexed why folks are giddy about this kind of conduct.

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The Biden administration did this already. That administration held people in solitary confinement without bail in unsafe conditions for years for simple trespass.

Nope, you get to point no fingers here.

Also, what would the FBI agent outside the abortion rally arrest people for?

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I get mocked often for being soft on liberals, but the composite character of F16 gets collective amnesia about my frequent defense of J6 protesters being entitled to Constitutional rights, and the dangers of illiberal lawfare pursued by Biden. Somehow I, instead of my arguments, become the content of conversation, but such is life on f16 and I appreciate posts like this that attempt to poke holes at my reasoning rather than poke holes at me in particular.

I don't have a problem enforcing immigration laws. I do have a problem when the specific goal isn't to enforce the law but to have a show of force against a political rival. That's the whole point of this stunt, its a stunt, meant to send a message of intimidation for political opposition, not make a legitimate good faith argument about gerrymandering nor immigration reform. I would like to see the US come back from a level of discord that will likely result in Balkanization, and see stuff like this as just steering closer to the iceberg.

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You're just afraid you may one day have to choose between living in a place like California (assumed from your username) in a progressive woke state controlled nightmare scenario 27 levels above where it is even now OR moving to a *gasp* more sane red state away from Cali…

(Though I suspect if there was a split 70% of the landmass of California would join the more sane red state group - some of the northern coastal regions along with everything North of Sacramento and east of I-5

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Like raiding a president's home looking for "Russia Collusion" evidence or nuclear secrets? I'm sure you were just as outraged at the abuse of power.

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Ill concede on Leticia James lawfare and lets take this as another example of lawfare as well. Are you suggesting an escalating tit-for-tat strategy is a good thing?

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Not tit for tat by any stretch of the imagination.
The Democratic Party leadership used lawfare and corrupted Federal Judges to rule in absolute opposition to the Constitution.
Please cite how any of what is being done by this administration is illegal.

FWIW, 10/10 personal life satisfaction with my community, neighborhood, and daily QOL with no interest in giving up my my satisfaction here for some hypothetical Shangri La, warts and all.

I declare Malibu the winner of this debate, and award 1 star.

I unfortunately do have to deduct two stars for attempting to defend California in any way, shape or form.

Malibu said:

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This isn't directly lawfare, but both this and lawfare are using the power of the state for a purpose of intimidation or harassment. I certainly don't want this to be business as usual in America.

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This is enforcing our laws. The laws Americans want enforced. No one is being baited. No one is being entrapped. They're not being hyper-technical. They are arresting criminals.

If we are consistent about enforcing our laws, this won't have to be business as usual.

Democrats have to stop choosing which laws they want to follow. They have to stop using illegals to win elections and to change demographics for their own power.

This is what the voters want, even CNN admits it.

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This isn't directly lawfare, but both this and lawfare are using the power of the state for a purpose of intimidation or harassment. I certainly don't want this to be business as usual in America.

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I stuck up for you before but I'm calling you out on this one.

Either you didn't understand the definition of "lawfare" when you posted about it, which I doubt (you are smarter than that and have been around f16 long enough to know exactly what it means), or you attempted to obfuscate the term because it is in fact the left that has egregiously made use of lawfare tactics as a normal course of business and you wanted to be able to say "both sides do it" by suggesting that this action by ICE/BP was also "lawfare" which it is not.

You can try to make the argument that it is abuse of power if you like (you will fail based on the law and facts, because at least there is an appearance of maybe misusing a government resource), but it is nowhere in the same hemisphere as subjecting a U.S. citizen to a judicial process based on specious charges to purposefully harm, intimidate, and/or break that person.

Fair enough that subjecting to judicial review is the worse crime, but to your point, and the point I was trying to make, they are both abuses of government power. When Leticia James was doing it, I was here calling it out. I have less sympathy for arguments claiming lawfare for Jack Smith cases, but that's for a separate thread.

ETA: will be off the grid for the next 72 hours enjoying unplugged life with family in some of this states great nature. Happy Friday.

Malibu said:

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This isn't directly lawfare, but both this and lawfare are using the power of the state for a purpose of intimidation or harassment. I certainly don't want this to be business as usual in America.

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You don't take down bullies by appeasing them. You take them down by punching them in the mouth.
Democrats used Governments power to crush lawful civilian dissent.

Trump is using Governments power to enforce the law. Its a natural reaction to the lawlessness that Democrats have encouraged over the last 4 years, including the rioting in LA not so long ago.

If Democrats didn't encourage illegals and rioting, flagrantly ignoring the nations laws, none of this would come to pass.

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Fair enough that subjecting to judicial review is the worse crime, but to your point, and the point I was trying to make, they are both abuses of government power

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Enforcing laws in existence is not abuse of power. What is abuse of power are the sanctuary policies that's been enacted by liberal cities and states.

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Fair enough that subjecting to judicial review is the worse crime, but to your point, and the point I was trying to make, they are both abuses of government power. When Leticia James was doing it, I was here calling it out. I have less sympathy for arguments claiming lawfare for Jack Smith cases, but that's for a separate thread.

ETA: will be off the grid for the next 72 hours enjoying unplugged life with family in some of this states great nature. Happy Friday.

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Yes. Empaneling a grand jury in DC for acts in Florida and raiding someone's house, leaking information, and staging photos to create a propaganda narrative is no big deal. Especially when the supposed act isn't even criminal. That's not lawfare, just normal life under a fascist regime.

WAKE UP 'MERICA!

Jim Bob Jumpback

Do illegal aliens have a right to protest peacefully in the US?

Do US citizens have a right to protest peacefully in the US?

TacosaurusRex said:

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Watching Malibu get dragged was worth opening the thread for.

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Thank you, thank you. We will be here all week. Don't forget to tip your waiter.

Fenrir said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Malibu said:

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How is that relevant to Newsom's press conference about gerrymandering? Sending federal law enforcement as a show of force against state political actors is certainly not something I view as an excellent sign of health in representative democracy.

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Look, I get what you are saying. Posturing and trolling at this scale is unseemly and a bit disturbing if the trend continues. I don't think shows of force for politics is good at all if it continues or escalates. BUT, this is the arena YOUR side chose. democrats did this. Trump is finally fighting fire with fire. If you want to be concerned, be concerned at the democrat political machine, their foreign funders, and the ideology behind it that that justifies it.

You are a sensible enough poster to know this is true.

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I'll never understand how he convinced so many posters that he is sensible and reasonable.

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I feel like I remember him coming across as more moderate and reasonable a few years ago, but I guess Trump got re-elected and reignited the TDS. It doesn't matter who is infected with it, TDS shatters any logic and reasoning capabilities when it comes to politics. They become blinded by an irrational hatred or disdain. Guys like Malibu basically become no different than people like Joy Reid and Rachel Maddow. They are in lockstep on nearly everything.

He is one of the more respectful leftists, so that is nice, but still every bit as extreme as the others.

He thinks deporting illegals, and ICE agents wearig masks (bc so many leftists think they are evil and deserving of death) is a threat to democracy...but Kamala Harris comparing ICE/BP to ku klux klan isn't an issue. Russia hoax? Not an issue. Weaponized partisan federal agencies openly interfering in the 2020 election? Not an issue bc it helped his boy Joe Biden.

America is completely cooked if this is how the more "Reasonable" leftists are thinking.

chris1515 said:

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If ICE is sitting around trying to figure out where to send agents to maximize their effectiveness, and they determine that a Gavin Newsome press conference on gerrymandering is their best target…then the problem is very different than I imagined!

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Look at all the free press that ICE got telling illegal aliens to voluntarily deport, and not to participate in US politics? Maybe they have been talking to the marketing guys from American Eagle?

Was a great use of resources, IMO.