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Anything can be a weapon.

So the method to deter this and other uncivil, criminal behavior is not an option in D.C.

So what can be done to modify this dude's and other's behavior if a felony indictment is not an option?

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Bondi fired him and he'll likely lose his law license. I don't think you'll have to worry about him throwing sandwiches or gyros at law enforcement anytime soon.

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Until his feelings get super hurt and he decides to shoot up an elementary school for effect.

And throwing him in prison would make him less likely to do that...how?

HTownAg98 said:

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And throwing him in prison would make him less likely to do that...how?

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He didn't need any prison time to screw up the courage to assault Border Patrol officers...

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I do not (and I bet none of y'all) want to live in a world were throwing a sandwich is considered assault.

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We already do, or did you miss January 6?

This guy should spend some time in the cooler. **** him.

HTownAg98 said:

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And throwing him in prison would make him less likely to do that...how?

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Well for one thing, he'd be in jail instead of out on the streets.

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HTownAg98 said:

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And throwing him in prison would make him less likely to do that...how?

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Well for one thing, he'd be in jail instead of out on the streets.

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Sicko would probably never leave. Almost certain DC jail for these offenders caters in... you guessed it, Subway.

I don't care if he spends a night in jail. Fine the **** out of him and hang him with a felony charge.

Or better yet, hit him with a hate crime. Hear me out. Dems think Trump and his band of ICE agents are mentally incompetent. This is defined as a disability. Singling out your victim based on their identity, which includes disability, is a hate crime.

I expect Bondi to comply.

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I do not (and I bet none of y'all) want to live in a world were throwing a sandwich is considered assault.

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We already do, or did you miss January 6?

This guy should spend some time in the cooler. **** him.

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If you go through all those that were sentenced for violating 18 USC 111 (a)(1), you won't find an analogous case. One person got more than a year for assaulting an officer with a flagpole, and another got over a year for physically beating an officer. There are others that were charged with the sole count mentioned above, but they all had an enhancement for intent to commit another felony. To my knowledge, that enhancement hasn't been shown here.

A 12 inch subway sandwich weighs about a pound.

So I can get one, twist and grab the plastic container baggy at the end and sock the living **** out of an LEO in the face, potentially scratching their cornea, detaching their retina, etc.. and that's not assault.

/htown and his band of fellow libs


We live in clown world now.

You are another one that has a bad habit putting words into other's mouths. I never said it wasn't an assault. In fact, I explicitly said that it was, and he should be charged. My contention is that the aggravating factors that it seems DOJ is trying to make stick aren't there, and that's why the grand jury no-billed the case.

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Ellis Wyatt said:

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I do not (and I bet none of y'all) want to live in a world were throwing a sandwich is considered assault.

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We already do, or did you miss January 6?

This guy should spend some time in the cooler. **** him.

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If you go through all those that were sentenced for violating 18 USC 111 (a)(1), you won't find an analogous case.

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Oh, and how about people sitting in jail for months before adjudication for TRESPASSING?

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You are another one that has a bad habit putting words into other's mouths. I never said it wasn't an assault. In fact, I explicitly said that it was, and he should be charged. My contention is that the aggravating factors that it seems DOJ is trying to make stick aren't there, and that's why the grand jury no-billed the case.

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OK, fair enough.

But many of the other libs in this thread certainly did say that.

eta; and no, I don't have a "habit" of doing any such thing. I'm very precise and honest with my posts. Your accusation is bull*****

'If he throws a rock, brick or other object that could inflict serious bodily injury....'

Like this?
(I guess it's (D)ifferent in Cali)

HTownAg98 said:

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To answer your jury nullification question, there can be in cases where DOJ vastly overcharges something. By all accounts, DOJ wanted to make an example out of this guy. They then went to the grand jury with their big bad "lawn and odor" case about how this ICE officer was beaten within minutes of his life or something equivalent, and then they showed the grand jury the video. After they retired to deliberate and stopped laughing, they said amongst themselves, "WTF? That video isn't anywhere close to the case they presented!" and it pissed them off to a point that they decided to no-bill it. Not saying that is what happened, just something that could happen.
If they had presented this case in the typical boring fashion for a simple assault, they likely get an indictment before the door stops swinging when the AAG left the room.

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Sounds like you were on the grand jury to be aware of all the facts about the grand jury hearing.

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Message has been sent and will be received loud and clear by the modern day democrats, paid protesters, anarchists, communists, and brainwashed/programmed masses: free pass on assaulting feds anytime you want

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Unfortunately your assertion is correct and this egregious behavior has been in the past reinforced and continues today.

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I had a J6 client charged with throwing a potato chip bag.

Make that make sense. https://t.co/PpgbgcLg7O

— Shipwreckedcrew (@shipwreckedcrew) August 27, 2025

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That would be call taking the kill shot by Clapper.
Thank you shipwrecked for your brutal beat down of the lunacy.

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To answer your jury nullification question, there can be in cases where DOJ vastly overcharges something. By all accounts, DOJ wanted to make an example out of this guy. They then went to the grand jury with their big bad "lawn and odor" case about how this ICE officer was beaten within minutes of his life or something equivalent, and then they showed the grand jury the video. After they retired to deliberate and stopped laughing, they said amongst themselves, "WTF? That video isn't anywhere close to the case they presented!" and it pissed them off to a point that they decided to no-bill it. Not saying that is what happened, just something that could happen.
If they had presented this case in the typical boring fashion for a simple assault, they likely get an indictment before the door stops swinging when the AAG left the room.

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Sounds like you were on the grand jury to be aware of all the facts about the grand jury hearing.

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Did you read the bold sentence?

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To answer your jury nullification question, there can be in cases where DOJ vastly overcharges something. By all accounts, DOJ wanted to make an example out of this guy. They then went to the grand jury with their big bad "lawn and odor" case about how this ICE officer was beaten within minutes of his life or something equivalent, and then they showed the grand jury the video. After they retired to deliberate and stopped laughing, they said amongst themselves, "WTF? That video isn't anywhere close to the case they presented!" and it pissed them off to a point that they decided to no-bill it. Not saying that is what happened, just something that could happen.
If they had presented this case in the typical boring fashion for a simple assault, they likely get an indictment before the door stops swinging when the AAG left the room.

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Sounds like you were on the grand jury to be aware of all the facts about the grand jury hearing.

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Did you read the bold sentence?

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No I didn't miss it. Just pointing out you made up everything

Do you have a better idea then? I'll even grant you that the grand jury could have just given a big "F U" to DOJ and no-billed it. But both scenarios are plausible.

If that ICE agent takes his own life 6 months from now because his wife was a *****, can we recharacterize this sandwich throwing as an insurrection where a law enforcement officer died from his injuries?

Cause they did that for the Jan 6ers.

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He should not be charged with a felony.

He should absolutely be shamed and embarrassed on Facebook and shown to ne the complete idiot that he is.

But that's not a felony. If it is it shouldn't be.

What it is was kind of funny though.

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I don't post much anymore, but I felt the need to bring this same point.

I do not (and I bet none of y'all) want to live in a world were throwing a sandwich is considered assault.

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Then find another world? It's legally an assault.

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Towns03 said:

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He should not be charged with a felony.

He should absolutely be shamed and embarrassed on Facebook and shown to ne the complete idiot that he is.

But that's not a felony. If it is it shouldn't be.

What it is was kind of funny though.

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I don't post much anymore, but I felt the need to bring this same point.

I do not (and I bet none of y'all) want to live in a world were throwing a sandwich is considered assault.

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What density of material is required for an object thrown at someone can qualify for assault?

I once threw a taco at a lady walking along the side of the road. She looked like a liberal. Is a taco qualified for assault? A taco thrown whilst traveling 35 miles an hour?

If he wanted to make a point, he could have thrown his sandwich on the ground. He threw it at someone. That is assault. And littering.

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I would say the threshold is damage. Was someone hurt? if not, grow a pair.

There are hundreds (thousands?) of cell videos online with people screaming threats of lawsuits from the silliest of things. Luckily it's just overly emotional people competing to be the biggest victim. In reality if there's no damage, there really isn't a case for a lawsuit. in the same way if there's injury there should be no assault.

You have to discipline unruly behavior regardless of weather someone was hurt.

If you excuse this guy, and the next guy has a grenade in the sandwich, is that a great outcome? What if a guy says his sandmich has Ebola AIDS when he chunks it at him, is the LEO justified in using deadly force if it turns out he was just a soy boy with an attitude?

Don't **** with cops and military doing their job and you don't have to worry. If you do not like the job they are doing, then go gripe on ActBlue.

HTownAg98 said:

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Do you have a better idea then? I'll even grant you that the grand jury could have just given a big "F U" to DOJ and no-billed it. But both scenarios are plausible.

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You conflated the information, which is a common technique when you know nothing about facts.
You said,"By all accounts, DOJ wanted to make an example out of this guy." without citation from a reliable source.

To make your post even more outlandish you followed up by saying,"They then went to the grand jury with their big bad "lawn and odor" case about how this ICE officer was beaten within minutes of his life or something equivalent,"
You expect anyone to take you seriously yet make outlandish comments.

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You have to discipline unruly behavior regardless of weather someone was hurt.

If you excuse this guy, and the next guy has a grenade in the sandwich, is that a great outcome? What if a guy says his sandmich has Ebola AIDS when he chunks it at him, is the LEO justified in using deadly force if it turns out he was just a soy boy with an attitude?

Don't **** with cops and military doing their job and you don't have to worry. If you do not like the job they are doing, then go gripe on ActBlue.

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100% this

I would say 99.5% this as my grammar regarding whether did not weather well.

Ha ha yep I let that slide as the rest of your post was money!

BREAKING: The U.S. Attorney's Office has charged "sandwich guy" Sean Dunn with a lesser misdemeanor version of the assault charge after a grand jury refused to indict this week.

Case assigned to Judge Carl Nichols. More: https://t.co/YnEyVkOQ2j pic.twitter.com/gigp6jFWC7

— Jordan Fischer (@JordanOnRecord) August 28, 2025

Im Gipper said:

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BREAKING: The U.S. Attorney's Office has charged "sandwich guy" Sean Dunn with a lesser misdemeanor version of the assault charge after a grand jury refused to indict this week.

Case assigned to Judge Carl Nichols. More: https://t.co/YnEyVkOQ2j pic.twitter.com/gigp6jFWC7

— Jordan Fischer (@JordanOnRecord) August 28, 2025

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She left out manner and means

"to wit: by throwing like a girl and striking said official with a 6 inch turkey on white with mayo, lettuce, tomato, bell-peppers-wait-no-peppers-they-are-too-spicy-just-lettuce-and-tomato sammich"

Also not helping prosecutors: All those Jan. 6 pardons.

Judge Faruqui: "To charge people for what seems to be lesser conduct and then say they’re so dangerous they have to be locked up. It puts prosecutors in an impossible position.” https://t.co/Ky6ar6hfzK

— Jordan Fischer (@JordanOnRecord) August 28, 2025

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Also not helping prosecutors: All those Jan. 6 pardons.

Judge Faruqui: "To charge people for what seems to be lesser conduct and then say they’re so dangerous they have to be locked up. It puts prosecutors in an impossible position.” https://t.co/Ky6ar6hfzK

— Jordan Fischer (@JordanOnRecord) August 28, 2025

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Was the suspect wearing a houndstooth fedora?

But what if the victim had a gluten allergy?!?! Haven't you heard, GLUTEN KILLS!!

Looks like your average wacko Farrakhan follower...

Ag in Tiger Country said:

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But what if the victim had a gluten intolerance allergy?!?! Haven't you heard, GLUTEN KILLS!!

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Since it is an intolerance, then you would have to charge the ICE agent with a civil rights violation by not showing respect, tolerance for gluten.

Sandwich guy's trial begins today.

HTownAg98 said:

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You are another one that has a bad habit putting words into other's mouths. I never said it wasn't an assault. In fact, I explicitly said that it was, and he should be charged. My contention is that the aggravating factors that it seems DOJ is trying to make stick aren't there, and that's why the grand jury no-billed the case.

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Interfering with a LEO doing his job?