Turns out Time is running staged pictures of the Gazan "famine":



And before someone screams "Reeeeeeeeeee... BREITBART!!!!", the original article is in Bild, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.

That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of genocide in Gaza as a result

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You have it wrong. It should read: Hamas has committed to a plan of genocide in Gaza as a result.

There would be less bombing if one group would release the hostages.

Hamas sympathizers are the absolute worst.

"if one group would release the hostages"

Explain to us, in detail, how the starved and shot women and children of Gaza are holding hostages?

jagvocate said:

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"if one group would release the hostages"

Explain to us, in detail, how the starved and shot women and children of Gaza are holding hostages?

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They've done so, some directly and some indirectly, both currently and in the past, by supporting and enabling Hamas in its terror campaign against Israel.

Better get a tourniquet for that bleeding heart.

Interviewing dead people via AI and now this? There is literally no shame in the MSM. They are the evil of our time.

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And before someone screams "Reeeeeeeeeee,,, BREITBART!", the original article is in Bild, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.

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Huh? Not a comment on the story, but being right-leaning is one of the things Bild is specifically known for.

jagvocate said:

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...international agencies and nation states recognize two things

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Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

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Tell me about how these specific international agencies have earned a presumption of credulity. UNRWF is an international agency, one to which the US taxpayers contributed more than any other country since 1949, and it is nothing more than a front for Hamas and anti-Israel propaganda.

When photos and videos of dead or suffering Palestinians are surging to the top of the news feed algorithm, where is the background information on what happened in the chain of events that led up to the deaths and suffering. These "reports" are not journalism but propaganda when they show only the destroyed buildings or dead civilians but crop out the destroyed weapons and Hamas fighters. Civilians are used by Hamas as shields and photo opportunities after the IDF takes aim.

Let's look at specific reports, context, and corroboration rather than just the fact that it was repeated by an international agency.

I am not asserting that the IDF is blameless or hasn't made mistakes of carelessness or indifference in their pursuit of Hamas. However, that's not genocide or ethnic cleansing.

I trust a real warrior on IDF war crimes over TexAgs keyboard warriors

So, women and children are incapable of engaging in war and are, by virtue of their age and gender, absolutely innocent? Have you traveled backwards in human history and let those folks know?

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All of this death and mayhem is over dirt. Maybe I'm simple-minded when it comes to dirt. If you own a piece of land, you must constantly defend against someone trying to take it. This has been a historical truth since the beginning of man. The Palestinians claim ownership of land they cannot defend. Therefore, the land no longer belongs to them. I can appreciate the humanity Israel has shown in the past in trying to coexist with Palestinians. I've experienced this hospitality and mercy with my own eyes. Israel has loved their neighbors and turned the other cheek for decades, but they have reached a point where they are done being **** on and abused. As a greater force in that part of the world, they were never obligated to show mercy or grace to any of their hostile neighbors.

Unfortunately, Palestinians are unwilling to concede their claim and continue with skirmishes. And, because Palestinians are unwilling to concede, Israel is obliged to defend it's people and claim to the land by any means necessary. Palestinians will fight Israel until their last man and last breath. Therefore, genocide becomes the natural result of an adversary who is too stupid to know when they are beaten. Any other on the planet is familiar with the term, "Live to fight another day"...but not Palestinians. They can die stupid, stubborn, courageous, proud, and fighting, and defending their claim, but die all the same. I commend them for their fighting spirit...and that's about it.

The fake photo was published by Time, fwiw.

Today it was revealed that this TIME photo from Gaza was completely staged — a total fake.

But they published it anyway.

Because when it comes to Gaza, basic journalistic standards no longer apply. pic.twitter.com/OdBVpWPtiY

— Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) August 5, 2025

A substantial majority of Gazan Palestinians support Hamas.
Hamas is still fighting against Israel and holding hostages.
Israel is proving millions of pound of food, and water and medical supplies to Gazans even as the fighting is going on. That is pretty much unprecedented in the history of warfare. Yet it is somehow also a "genocide". Hamas attacks and steals any aid supplies they can as possession of those supplies is political power and a funding source to sustain their fighting efforts. Hamas views Gazan causalities as good propaganda so they willingly cause or contribute to them. Israel is well aware they will have to do this all over again in a generation or two if they do not have a decisive victory now.

Spread your Palestinian propaganda of you must but don't tell us that it isn't such. I pity the Gazans and I hope they come to their senses and start using aid to better their lives instead of to plot the next war or atrocity.

Not sure why we even bother talking about it. There are the same group of people on here who accuse Israel of genocide just because they exist. Facts be damned. Nothing new here.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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Don't derail this thread! Start another one with your link.

2000AgPhD said:

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Turns out Time is running staged pictures of the Gazan "famine":



And before someone screams "Reeeeeeeeeee... BREITBART!!!!", the original article is in Bild, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.

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This has nothing to do with politics. It all about $$$$ and who is first to publish.

Take your propaganda elsewhere. What you fail to account for are all the times previously Israel made concessions to the Palestinians and yet Oct 7th still happened.

Hmmm...

jagvocate said:

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I trust a real warrior on IDF war crimes over TexAgs keyboard warriors

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That report is an example of what I am talking about. They rely on "trusted independent Palestinian journalists." And they have for years. Trusted IPJs like this guy.



If ABC news and the BBC were interested in crimes and accountability, why did the interview with the Lieutenant Colonel include a date and place so that the Merkava shooting the car could be corroborated independently? If the car was full of unarmed civilians, do we know any of theor names? A serious inquiry would include dates, specific locations, and names and the response from the IDF, even if it was "no comment" or "we have no record of a tank engaging civilians."

The gunfire into the dune/berm to keep the crowd from surging might look cruel an inhumane but there is a strange lack of curiosity about the composition of that crowd and whether there might be individuals who are better fed and armed in the midst of it.

What if our own CENTCOM experts had allowed for some warning fire to be used to keep the crowd at a distance at HKIA? Failure to ensure safe separation distance leads to events like the Abbey Gate suicide bombing and the Israelis have learned that lesson 1000 times.

I am not saying that I believe there isn't misconduct and a cavalier attitude demonstrated by some Israelis and contracted security forces towards Palestinian civilians but the tactics of Hamas and their propagandists mean that crowds must be kept at a distance and for food to be distributed in an orderly fashion. Was the distribution plan amateurish? Possibly, but the guy making the critique seems to have been volunteering in a capacity to execute the plan rather than provide input on setting up the distribution point.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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Israel is fighting a war with Hamas (Gaza). Israel needs to win. Gazans will suffer because of their gov't that they elected and continue to support.

if a Palestinian is discussing their "genocide" then they are lying.

most of Palestinian history is a lie.

this is a lie:

"Mr. FAFO" has "died" about 17 times in the last two years.

he is an actor who portrays himself being "killed by the IDF" every few weeks:

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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Israel doesn't have to "own" anything. They are in an all out war with Hamas that wasn't of their choosing. They spent over 70 years trying to settle things peacefully and gave Hamas every possible concession with the most extreme being in 2005 when they removed all the Jews. Yet Hamas only wants one thing, the complete destruction of Israel and death to the Jews. They are open about that still. They will not stop. Israel has just come to the point of realizing that's how it will always be. The only solution for them is the complete destruction of Hamas and to make it too painful for anyone in Gaza to support Hamas and that's going to continue to be an ugly process.

War is hell. I don't see Israel as "the good guys" per se to the point where everything they have done is perfect and proper but I have no doubt they have at least made an effort to do so whereas Hamas has zero interest in anything resembling human rights even for their own people. So in the end they are going to fight this out and I don't begrudge Israel having to do what they must to win because if they don't win they die. That's just reality.

I am at the point where I have to think very hard before I comment on anything with Isreal. Very easy to make knee jerk reactions to what people do online etc…

I'm just at the point right now where I choose to not say anything.

Pano photography.

akm91 said:

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Take your propaganda elsewhere. What you fail to account for are all the times previously Israel made concessions to the Palestinians and yet Oct 7th still happened.

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Exactly. Israel has given up a LOT of land over the years in order to try to have peace, but it is never enough.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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The palestinians have been engaging in terrorism for decades. Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and even forcibly evicted their own people, with nothing promised in return, in an attempt at moving forward with peace. The palestinians returned the favor by electing hamas and launching rockets, prompting Israel to close off border crossings. Israel was willing to move in the direction of peace and tried to do so. The palestinians weren't interested and merely saw it as weakness.

They had their ****ing chance. Many times. At every opportunity they have shunned any kind of peace deal and reverted to terrorism and violence. 10/7 was just the final nail in the coffin. They have shown that collectively, they will never stop trying to kill Israelis, and they have no desire to peacefully coexist. If Israel has to own what they're doing, the palestinians need to first own what they've done to get here.

This a war, and bad things happen. Innocent people die, but you fight to win. Israel has done everything humanly possible to prevent it all along the way, to the point of letting them know ahead of dropping bombs.

Hamas, and the Palestinians that support them both directly and indirectly (which is virtually the entire Palestinian population) are 100% responsible for this war and everything that has happened since Oct. 7. They are totally in control of when it ends.

doubledog said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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Turns out Time is running staged pictures of the Gazan "famine":



And before someone screams "Reeeeeeeeeee... BREITBART!!!!", the original article is in Bild, not exactly a bastion of right-wing thought.

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This has nothing to do with politics. It all about $$$$ and who is first to publish.

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Sorry, but I call BS. These media publications are run and staffed by true believing devoutly religious liberal zealots. Often times rstraight up marxist...but all cultural marxist.

If Israel really wanted "genocide", there would be nothing left in Gaza but flies and maggots.

Release the hostages.

LMAO that is no Zionist- although nice try.

JSTREET is the leader of the most far left group of socialists formed by George Soros to fight the Israeli government

they are blackballed by every Israeli government- only leftists will interact with them.

nice try!!

When you lose USA today, you know the cause is lost





https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2025/08/01/gaza-starvation-israel-hamas-aid/85455762007/#

Dear Lefty:

You don't seem to understand that Hamas' ENTIRE strategy is: commit terrorist atrocity, then hide behind women and children in hospitals and schools and then cry victim if any of these illegal shields are hurt in retaliation

They DEPEND on morons like you saying "oh darn, they're hiding behind willing human shields so guess we have to let them go until they're ready to kill more Israelis

jagvocate said:

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Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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It's interesting that you portray Oct 7 as a single horrible event and leave out the fact that it was planned and conducted by a terrorist organization who are actually on record claiming their mission is to commit genocide on a particular group of people (removing Israel from existence). Then you portray Israel's reactions as the real example of ethnic cleansing or genocide.

There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

Gigem314 said:

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There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

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A very easy discussion because there's no double standard with me -- I wouldn't piss on either HAMAS or the IDF if they were on fire. Western interests have been hijacked from the cradle of Christendom for far too long. We've wasted decades of Christian blood and treasure triangulating between two fundamentally dishonest pseudo-religious/leadership regimes, all the while we have neighbors stateside lapping up the propaganda of one of these sides or the other without critical thinking. I say to Hell with what both of them have going on right now.