jagvocate said:

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Gigem314 said:

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There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

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A very easy discussion because there's no double standard with me -- I wouldn't piss on either HAMAS or the IDF if they were on fire. Western interests have been hijacked from the cradle of Christendom for far too long. We've wasted decades of Christian blood and treasure triangulating between two fundamentally dishonest pseudo-religious/leadership regimes, all the while we have neighbors stateside lapping up the propaganda of one of these sides or the other without critical thinking. I say to Hell with what both of them have going on right now.

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I say to hell with the Jew -hating scum blaming Israel for the actions of Palestinian terrorists.

jagvocate said:

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Gigem314 said:

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There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

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A very easy discussion because there's no double standard with me -- I wouldn't piss on either HAMAS or the IDF if they were on fire. Western interests have been hijacked from the cradle of Christendom for far too long. We've wasted decades of Christian blood and treasure triangulating between two fundamentally dishonest pseudo-religious/leadership regimes, all the while we have neighbors stateside lapping up the propaganda of one of these sides or the other without critical thinking. I say to Hell with what both of them have going on right now.

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You are the one lapping up the propaganda.

ts5641 said:

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Interviewing dead people via AI and now this? There is literally no shame in the MSM. They are the evil of our time.

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Could we please stop calling that virtual puppet show video an 'interview'?

The producer used a picture of a person who died from being shot in a computer animation with a biased script to make political propaganda.

It was never an 'interview'.

jagvocate said:

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I trust a real warrior on IDF war crimes over TexAgs keyboard warriors

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And that "real warrior" has been outed as a disgruntled employee who was fired for misconduct and who spent weeks begging for his job back in messages to the GHF leadership while also threatening them. Of the 27 days he was employed with GHF, he spent more than half in a hotel in Israel.

Press Briefing: GHF Addresses Personnel Matter - Gaza Humanitarian Foundation

jagvocate said:

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Gigem314 said:

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There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

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A very easy discussion because there's no double standard with me

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There absolutely is. You deny the open promises of genocide from the Palestinian leadership while portraying Israel being as such based on collateral damage from war. Lap up the propaganda all you want, but it's not going to change the reality of what's happening there.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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Everyone on both sides should convert to Christianity.

War ends.

TTUArmy said:

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Unfortunately, Palestinians are unwilling to concede their claim and continue with skirmishes. And, because Palestinians are unwilling to concede, Israel is obliged to defend it's people and claim to the land by any means necessary. Palestinians will fight Israel until their last man and last breath. Therefore, genocide becomes the natural result of an adversary who is too stupid to know when they are beaten. Any other on the planet is familiar with the term, "Live to fight another day"...but not Palestinians. They can die stupid, stubborn, courageous, proud, and fighting, and defending their claim, but die all the same. I commend them for their fighting spirit...and that's about it.

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Gigem314 said:

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jagvocate said:

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Gigem314 said:

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There is no honest discussion that can take place when you start from such a blatant double standard.

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A very easy discussion because there's no double standard with me

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There absolutely is. You deny the open promises of genocide from the Palestinian leadership while portraying Israel being as such based on collateral damage from war. Lap up the propaganda all you want, but it's not going to change the reality of what's happening there.

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Also that same poster will only publish defamatory stories about the Jews and the IDF-

never about Hamas and the Palestinians.

then will try to play it off as if both the Muslims and the Jews are anti-Christian.

almost as if we have our very own Candace Owens in the F16!

and yes, Hamas rapists have mastered the art of lying to gullible leftists:

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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They could have stopped settlers from building directly on Palestinian land. Some Palestinians would gladly sell part of their land for cash. I have seen those settlements and still back Israel, but holding Israeli citizens accountable for trespassing and theft would have helped a bit.
But Gaza is different. They chose mass murder, slaughter and are reaping the results.

LOL, it's like taking Steve Carell in The Office seriously. I'm reminded of the "Dinner Party" episode for some inane reason.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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The Allies (well, mostly Stalin) ethnically cleansed the Sudetenland and a quarter of pre-1937 Germany (east of the Oder-Neisse Line) after World War 2, with 14 million Germans kicked out of their homes forever.

And it worked, in the sense that was never a "Prussian Liberation Organization" continually committing terrorist attacks against Poland to get their land back, and the expellees moved on with their lives.

Why shouldn't Israel apply the same solution to its Nazi problem?

If Israel committed to genocide, this would have been over a year and a half ago

MouthBQ98 said:

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Hamas views Gazan causalities as good propaganda so they willingly cause or contribute to them.

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Yes, this is true. The growing global blowback against Israel for their sustained bombing is the best thing Hamas could hope for. Prob the number 1 reason Israel should switch gears and become more surgical against Hamas and Iran.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Israel is well aware they will have to do this all over again in a generation or two if they do not have a decisive victory now.

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Not sure this is about ending the conflict.

What is "victory"?
Getting hostages and pausing fighting only to resume later?
Or
Ending the war and conceding a 2 state solution?

There is credible evidence to suggest Israel wants to keep the broader conflcit going, to keep from having to give them a state. As long as there is a crazy river to sea terrorist in power, Israel doesnt have to make a deal.

If you look at this conflict in a vacuum only about Oct 7, then its hard to see. If you look at the entire history of the conflict, its pretty clear Israel is waging a war of attrition.

I don't trust the Israelis any further than I can bowl them, but given their adversaries, I know who I want to come out completely on top when the smoke clears.

TheEternalOptimist said:

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Everyone on both sides should convert to Christianity.

War ends.

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Times also told us that Hitler was man of the year. Not exactly a great track record

jagvocate said:

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"if one group would release the hostages"

Explain to us, in detail, how the starved and shot women and children of Gaza are holding hostages?

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They voted Hamas into power so....

Psycho Bunny said:

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Times also told us that Hitler was man of the year. Not exactly a great track record

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Makes me think of a great quote from the movie My Fellow Americans...

I was Time's Man of the Year.

So was Hitler!!

Yeah, but not twice!

Gigem314 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Times also told us that Hitler was man of the year. Not exactly a great track record

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Makes me think of a great quote from the movie My Fellow Americans...

I was Time's Man of the Year.

So was Hitler!!

Yeah, but not twice!

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Time's Person of the Year award is given to whoever "for better or for worse, has done the most to influence the events of the year".

And Hitler definitely influenced 1938, with the Anschluss, Sudetenland crisis, and Kristallmacht.

He was such an influential person that we're still talking about him 80 years after his death.

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Gigem314 said:

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Psycho Bunny said:

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Times also told us that Hitler was man of the year. Not exactly a great track record

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Makes me think of a great quote from the movie My Fellow Americans...

I was Time's Man of the Year.

So was Hitler!!

Yeah, but not twice!

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Time's Person of the Year award is given to whoever "for better or for worse, has done the most to influence the events of the year".

And Hitler definitely influenced 1938, with the Anschluss, Sudetenland crisis, and Kristallmacht.

He was such an influential person that we're still talking about him 80 years after his death.

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Sure....his "death". Uh huh. ;-)

You know you suck when you're the name-brand/adjective for ****ty human beings.

FobTies said:

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MouthBQ98 said:

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Hamas views Gazan causalities as good propaganda so they willingly cause or contribute to them.

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Yes, this is true. The growing global blowback against Israel for their sustained bombing is the best thing Hamas could hope for. Prob the number 1 reason Israel should switch gears and become more surgical against Hamas and Iran.

MouthBQ98 said:

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Israel is well aware they will have to do this all over again in a generation or two if they do not have a decisive victory now.

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Not sure this is about ending the conflict.

What is "victory"?
Getting hostages and pausing fighting only to resume later?
Or
Ending the war and conceding a 2 state solution?

There is credible evidence to suggest Israel wants to keep the broader conflcit going, to keep from having to give them a state. As long as there is a crazy river to sea terrorist in power, Israel doesnt have to make a deal.

If you look at this conflict in a vacuum only about Oct 7, then its hard to see. If you look at the entire history of the conflict, its pretty clear Israel is waging a war of attrition.

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They've been surgical with hamas for decades and you accuse them of fighting a war of attrition to avoid making a deal. They actually do what's necessary and kill tens of thousands of terrorists and you accuse them of committing genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Heads hamas wins, tails the Israelis lose.

It really amazes me that people believe what comes out of the mouths of Hamas and the Palestinians. They have been caught staging deaths for propaganda over the decades. They use hospitals for headquarters and weapons caches then cry that Israel murdered civilians including children when said hospitals are bombed by Israel. They use women and children as weapons and shields.

The Arabs use the Palestinians as a propaganda tool like Jessie Jackson uses racism. If "racism" diminishes or disappears, race baiters like Jackson lose leverage and power. Likewise, if Israel acquiesces, Arabs lose leverage and power. During Clinton's presidency, Israel gave Arafat everything he demanded but he couldn't agree to that or power and leverage are lost in their quest to eliminate Israel. No, Arafat then demanded something that he knew Israel could never agree to, a corridor to the Mediterranean that would effectively cut Israel in two.

Hamas and the Palestinians will never compromise so it is a death match. Say what you will about Israel, but they don't target innocent women and children, they don't want to kill us, and their religion wasn't started by a murdering pedophile that wishes to rule the world so I will side with Israel.

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No, Arafat then demanded something that he knew Israel could never agree to, a corridor to the Mediterranean that would effectively cut Israel in two.

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A geographically-disconnected country separated by enemy territory is doomed to fail.

The British tried it with Pakistan in 1947, but East Pakistan fought for independence from (West) Pakistan in 1971 and became Bangladesh.

Before that, Germany had the "Polish corridor" separating East Prussia from the rest of Germany. You know how that turned out.

The "Palestinian territories" were never meant to be a country. It's literally just the leftover pieces of land that Israel failed to capture in 1949. If Israel had been able to fight a bit harder, then the Gaza Strip wouldn't exist and October 7 wouldn't have happened.

jagvocate said:

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That's typical of today's media which seek advocacy over news.

But I am more along the lines of this Zionist

https://www.timesofisrael.com/j-street-head-says-hes-now-convinced-israel-committing-genocide-in-gaza/

Time may stage photos, but international agencies and nation states recognize two things

Hamas October 7 attack was unspeakably terrible

Israel has committed to a plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza at best (removing a people from their lands) or genocide at worst

Israel is in a terrible spot, but it must own what it's doing.

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Given history has shown that the Jews as a whole tend to succeed at essentially everything they commit themselves to in earnest, it seems odd that the Jewish state at the height of its power to date would fail so miserably at genocide that the population they were trying to erase continued to rise in significant numbers.

The idea that the one thing Jews end up being bad at is ethnic cleaning seems mighty convenient.

Pallywood in action. Here they are rehearsing lines in the car between takes.
Roughly 90% of the “Gaza footage” is either staged, scripted, or lifted straight from Yemen and Syria. pic.twitter.com/TFlItMjIBY

— Maral Salmassi (@MaralSalmassi) August 6, 2025

LOL.