What America Was

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Mort Rainey
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JerryHelper said:

carl spacklers hat said:

Agree that the late 70s through mid 90s were great. What happened? Obama was successful in fundamentally transforming the US. Worst president ever, and not even close.


Some of the blame has to go toward Bush and his admin. They were warmongers and in bed with the military industrial complex. The wars in the 2000s coupled with the economic collapse in 08 went along way toward changing the fabric of ideology in this country


Yeah ending the golden years at the mid 90s and blaming Obama doesn't add up. It's more complex than that. Although he probably deserved more blame than anyone
unmade bed
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You guys must have forgot the satanists that were running around in the 1980s and 90s mutilating children and such.
Queso1
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The election of Obama changed this nation. Covid was the final nail in the coffin.
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unmade bed said:

You guys must have forgot the satanists that were running around in the 1980s and 90s mutilating children and such.

we've gone from those few alarming and bizarre cases to millions and millions fighting for human sacrifice and calling it "healthcare" with some even trying to assassinate SCOTUS justices over their "right" to do it.
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No decade is perfect. Even people who long for the past recognize that.

But the progressive mindset CANNOT allow anyone to have nostalgia. They must destroy all good feelings about the past because when people look back on what they've lost, they get angry.

That's why simple things like Sydney Sweeney in a jeans ad drive them crazy. They instinctively realize that many Americans will say "Hey, you know we used to have attractive women in ads all the time. What happened?"

And they can't stand that.
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EclipseAg
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DoitBest said:



I've been told repeatedly that minorities could never "see themselves" in old TV ads. So this must be a fake.
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JerryHelper said:



I miss what this country used to be. And the sad truth is my guess is that it will never be this way again. The push toward woke ideology, the takeover of our lives to social media, and the constant negativity and anxiousness of the majority of the populace basically assures that we will never reach these heights again in America.


Meh…things change but the main issue is that there is a lot more availability to news with instant access. And to get those clicks, we need bad news. Bad news sells. And when all you see is bad news, it's easy to see why someone would think America is bad now and was good then. Myself and many other business owners stick to our own small circles with folks that truly keep tabs on economies and markets….literally no one thinks things were better. Things are more profitable now than ever before.

I've advised this before and I advise it now…turn off the news. Get away from people who feed the need for bad news and negativity. Surround yourself with smart people who critically think about that which actually matters to you and all that bull**** and worry you have will fall away like the belly button lint that it is.

Good grief.
Logos Stick
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unmade bed said:

You guys must have forgot the satanists that were running around in the 1980s and 90s mutilating children and such.


Liberals are worse than Satanists. Liberals not only mutilate children by whacking off their genitalia, they also destroy everything good, including the economy, academia, judicial system, medicine, entertainment, etc...

That's a serious post.
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unmade bed said:

You guys must have forgot the satanists that were running around in the 1980s and 90s mutilating children and such.

No, they were not.

The Satanic Moral Panic was a complete hoax/farce.
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BrazosDog02 said:

JerryHelper said:



I miss what this country used to be. And the sad truth is my guess is that it will never be this way again. The push toward woke ideology, the takeover of our lives to social media, and the constant negativity and anxiousness of the majority of the populace basically assures that we will never reach these heights again in America.


Meh…things change but the main issue is that there is a lot more availability to news with instant access. And to get those clicks, we need bad news. Bad news sells. And when all you see is bad news, it's easy to see why someone would think America is bad now and was good then. Myself and many other business owners stick to our own small circles with folks that truly keep tabs on economies and markets….literally no one thinks things were better. Things are more profitable now than ever before.

I've advised this before and I advise it now…turn off the news. Get away from people who feed the need for bad news and negativity. Surround yourself with smart people who critically think about that which actually matters to you and all that bull**** and worry you have will fall away like the belly button lint that it is.

Good grief.


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javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.

I would argue it started with the Clintons and them blackmailing everyone from the FBI files that "somehow" wound up at the White House.
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People look back on the 80s with rose-colored glasses, and for good reason. In the 70s, a single income could support a family. You could buy a house, take a vacation, and retire with dignity. Even after the recession in the early 80s, many folks still had union jobs, pensions, and property. There was a sense of stability. You might not have been rich, but you could live a decent life and still have something to pass on to your kids.

That 80s recession hit working people hardfactories closed, jobs disappeared, and interest rates soared. Then came the real kicker: Reagan's economic policies. Taxes were slashed for the wealthy, union power was gutted, and the rules were rewritten to favor big corporations and Wall Street. In 1980, the top 1% held about 10% of the nation's wealth. Today, they hold over 30%, while the bottom half of Americans own just 2.5%. That wealth didn't disappear... it was scooped up and locked away by people who already had more than enough.

What's breaking this country isn't "wokeness." It's the fact that regular folks are working harder than ever and falling further behind, while billionaires are sitting on private jets, buying politicians, and getting applause on stage next to the president. The political elite and the ultra-wealthy teamed up to pit us against each other. They feed us culture wars while they empty our wallets.

America isn't broken because people want equality or fairness. It's broken because the system is rigged to reward hoarding, not hard work. And the truth is, if we had the same unity and economic fairness we did back then, most of us wouldn't care who someone else loved, what books were in schools, or what pronouns someone used. We'd be too busy enjoying a good life.
96AgGrad
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Probably should have stopped after the first paragraph. While the wealth gap has definitely increased, it has nothing to do with tax cuts. More like globalism and cronyism.
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96AgGrad said:

Probably should have stopped after the first paragraph. While the wealth gap has definitely increased, it has nothing to do with tax cuts. More like globalism and cronyism.

You're right that globalism and cronyism played a big role. But tax cuts for the wealthy helped fuel the problem. When capital gains and corporate taxes were slashed, it made it easier for the richest to keep stacking wealth while regular folks lost ground.
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Obligatory:
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Mort Rainey said:

JerryHelper said:

carl spacklers hat said:

Agree that the late 70s through mid 90s were great. What happened? Obama was successful in fundamentally transforming the US. Worst president ever, and not even close.


Some of the blame has to go toward Bush and his admin. They were warmongers and in bed with the military industrial complex. The wars in the 2000s coupled with the economic collapse in 08 went along way toward changing the fabric of ideology in this country


Yeah ending the golden years at the mid 90s and blaming Obama doesn't add up. It's more complex than that. Although he probably deserved more blame than anyone

Remember that in the 70's and 80's cocaine was all over the place. People were happy, partying balls and doing lines of stripper's asses. It was the land of kings back then.
TrumpsBarber
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It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom and so forth.
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javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.

I think it started with GWB, and his incessant need for wars. 9/11 was thrust upon him, but he always wanted to go after Iraq. Governed and spent like a liberal, the Patriot act was an abomination and we held folks without trial at Guantanamo. That was the beginning. There was very little difference in the parties from that point on.
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The immigration act of 1965 destroyed the u.s. it opened us up to all the wrong people, destroyed our culture.
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Although mostly a fun decade, 80s saw the first of corporate raiders and LBOs. Moved the markets away from P/E ratios in valuation. Markets moved hugely based only on rumors, not real value. That disconnect then ballooned the next decade with the dot.com boom. Companies that had never made a dime were having IPOs and creating millionaires on paper overnight, for doing nothing of value.

That further disconnected from the work ethic we had before. That ultimately has been a vey big shift in American business and culture.

My .02.
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TrumpsBarber said:

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom and so forth.

I was a lawyer in the 80s. Trust me, I didn't have big hair. It was shoulder length but when in court usually it was pulled back into a ponytail or a French Twist bun. Courts had dress codes back then. I could wear a dress, if I had a blazer over it. But was mostly suits. And I don't mean pantsuits. Those were not allowed. Skirts and pantyhose.
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oh no said:

unmade bed said:

You guys must have forgot the satanists that were running around in the 1980s and 90s mutilating children and such.

we've gone from those few alarming and bizarre cases to millions and millions fighting for human sacrifice and calling it "healthcare" with some even trying to assassinate SCOTUS justices over their "right" to do it.


Millions and millions?
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Rapier108 said:

The worst thing that happened to the United States was the fall of the Soviet Union.

Before that, there was a clear difference in ideology, and it helped keep us united.

Capitalism vs. Communism
Freedom vs. Totalitarianism
Elected Government vs. a government everyone knew was a farce despite having "elections."
Equal Opportunity vs. Equal Outcome
Religious Freedom vs. State Imposed Atheism
Neighbors Helped Neighbors vs. Neighbors Spied on Neighbors

Sure we had our communists and socialists since the early 1900s, but they were a small minority and dismissed by pretty much everyone. Even in their heyday in the early parts of the 20th century they we never more than a few precent of the population.

People could get along, despite politics. Most just wanted what was best for the country, although how to achieve that was where opinions diverged.

Moral issues were handled mostly on the family, local, and state level (abortion was the outlier) and people pretty much didn't care how others lived because everyone kept their personal lives personal.

Sure our nation wasn't perfect, because it is composed of imperfect people, but it has been the best nation on this Earth since it was founded. Whether we can keep it going is the unanswered question.

This. When "the wall" fell and people were celebrating "peace and freedom", I turned to my wife and stated that the world just got more dangerous
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This is why those of us who are Gen X were blessed. We grew up in peak America. You will never see that again.
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People have always underestimated the value of a common, unifying enemy with respect to national pride and cohesion. The threat of the Soviet Union, in hindsight, was the best thing to ever happen to America militarily, politically and economically.

Now that being said, the nostalgia some have for the 80s is still way over the top. Contrary to their claims life is objectively better in almost every tangible way today. It's just that the foundation for our success since WW2 was laid by our common fear of the USSR. So much of what we enjoy today stems from that.
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APHIS AG said:

Rapier108 said:

The worst thing that happened to the United States was the fall of the Soviet Union.

Before that, there was a clear difference in ideology, and it helped keep us united.

Capitalism vs. Communism
Freedom vs. Totalitarianism
Elected Government vs. a government everyone knew was a farce despite having "elections."
Equal Opportunity vs. Equal Outcome
Religious Freedom vs. State Imposed Atheism
Neighbors Helped Neighbors vs. Neighbors Spied on Neighbors

Sure we had our communists and socialists since the early 1900s, but they were a small minority and dismissed by pretty much everyone. Even in their heyday in the early parts of the 20th century they we never more than a few precent of the population.

People could get along, despite politics. Most just wanted what was best for the country, although how to achieve that was where opinions diverged.

Moral issues were handled mostly on the family, local, and state level (abortion was the outlier) and people pretty much didn't care how others lived because everyone kept their personal lives personal.

Sure our nation wasn't perfect, because it is composed of imperfect people, but it has been the best nation on this Earth since it was founded. Whether we can keep it going is the unanswered question.

This. When "the wall" fell and people were celebrating "peace and freedom", I turned to my wife and stated that the world just got more dangerous


No you didn't
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I think we all just miss square body trucks, KC lights, and Columbia Blue.
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I get the nostalgia for the 80s and 90s they felt like a different America. More unity, less noise, a clearer sense of shared values, and the looming shadow of the Cold War to focus minds. But let's not romanticize it blindly. Those decades had their problems too, a fact we tend to gloss over when we pine for "the good old days."

What happened since then is a complex mix of factors. The fall of the Soviet Union dissolved that unifying external threat, which allowed internal divisions long simmering under the surface to blow wide open. Globalization and neoliberal policies reshaped the economy corporate consolidation skyrocketed, unions got gutted, inequality soared, and the middle class started shrinking. These economic pressures fed cultural anxieties and divisions, even if we didn't fully realize it at the time.

Then came the internet and social media awesome tools that also became the perfect accelerants for tribalism and outrage culture. Suddenly, everyone's an expert with a megaphone, clicks reward division, and facts lost their power to emotion and identity narratives.

Sure, some want to blame Obama or any particular administration for the wreckage, but blaming one or two presidents misses the point. This is decades in the making, with bad actors and bad policies on all sides, fueled by self-interest, political opportunism, and cultural warfare.

COVID-mania sped up the breakdown, but it didn't cause it. And the increasingly toxic culture war and identity politics aren't bugs they're features of a broken system designed to distract and divide us while power and money concentrate at the top.

The reality is, if you want the old America back, it's not coming unless we change how we think, act, and organize. We need less centralized power, better local accountability, a revival of personal responsibility, and a recommitment to constitutional limits that protect liberty.

It's easy to look back fondly, but if we want to fix the future, we first need to stop romanticizing a past that was never perfect and start being honest about what broke us and how to rebuild.
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Rapier108 said:

The worst thing that happened to the United States was the fall of the Soviet Union.

Before that, there was a clear difference in ideology, and it helped keep us united.

Capitalism vs. Communism
Freedom vs. Totalitarianism
Elected Government vs. a government everyone knew was a farce despite having "elections."
Equal Opportunity vs. Equal Outcome
Religious Freedom vs. State Imposed Atheism
Neighbors Helped Neighbors vs. Neighbors Spied on Neighbors

Sure we had our communists and socialists since the early 1900s, but they were a small minority and dismissed by pretty much everyone. Even in their heyday in the early parts of the 20th century they we never more than a few precent of the population.

People could get along, despite politics. Most just wanted what was best for the country, although how to achieve that was where opinions diverged.

Moral issues were handled mostly on the family, local, and state level (abortion was the outlier) and people pretty much didn't care how others lived because everyone kept their personal lives personal.

Sure our nation wasn't perfect, because it is composed of imperfect people, but it has been the best nation on this Earth since it was founded. Whether we can keep it going is the unanswered question.


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...the devil changes YOU.
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It wasn't even a thought back then that you hated America. That's what united everyone back then. There wasn't 24/7 politics in your face. We had our differences, but when it came down to it, most vehemently believed in America and defended her.
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Hank the Grifter said:

The "unity" of 9/11 lasted about a month, if that.

That would never happen now. It would be in an instant that people would be on X and the MSM criticizing Trump and America for what happened.
Amazing to even think 25 years ago how different we were.
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YouBet said:

This is why those of us who are Gen X were blessed. We grew up in peak America. You will never see that again.

Born in 1973, grew up in old town Katy, TX... blessings I will never cease to cherish.
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JerryHelper said:

javajaws said:

If you ask me it all started to go downhill with Obama and the racial divide he created (and not because he was black). But a lot of the blame is also on the internet and social media as a whole as well. The two together set us on this path of hatred we are on now.


Idk, things were already in the toilet in a lot of ways by the time we got Obama. Liberals spent the previous decade telling us every day that Bush was Hitler

Democrats were in full lock step with Bush on the War on Terror. It wasn't until the 2024 election that they realized they had to start differentiating themselves from republicans if they wanted to win.
No, I don't care what CNN or MSNBC said this time
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