Is this going to mess up the Clear Lake resale narket?

Prosperdick said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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will they be missed.

what has NASA done lately. haven't gone back to the moon in 50 years, have had multiple space shuttle blow up, can't bring astronauts home from space station.

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I still point to landing on the moon as the last impressive accomplishment of our government. Seriously, name something the government did over the last 55 years that was more impressive than landing on the moon and planting our flag.

Also, when I say "impressive" I mean in a positive way. They've certainly done MANY negative things that were impressive over that time....sadly.

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I would add, "facilitating the collapse of the Soviet Union" possibly but your point still stands.

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Not questioning your report but I think a lot of these are in the 'earth science' related areas, where it's all climate change, etc. Some of those projects you referenced such as urban air transport etc. are also electric/alternate-green powered stuff which is a complete waste of money/time.

Congress is unfortunately insisting we keep marching forward with SLS thru launch 5 I think, which is going to cost something like $3 billion each for the next few launches when it's all said and done, thru 2029. That program is an absolute joke and should offend Americans. NASA's own folks under Biden even admitted it was a ludicrously unaffordable scheme.

If Trump was allowed to actually kill that and spend the money on exploration elsewhere we might get some good science out of it.

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SLS will be the last vestige of NASA to die were they to continue to cut until nothing.

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No Spin Ag said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Yeah, the guy who saved free speech. Who is the only reliable party for space launches. Who created the whole EV market. Who is revolutionizing the brain/electronic interface...

Hell, he is even bringing back drive-ins. And is single handily (personally) attacking the decling birthrate problem more effectively than my Morman in-laws.

Perhaps you could cite some of his evil-ness? Or are you just looking for reactions?

the civil servants are going to go work for the aerospace contractors

or work for themselves as an independent consultant

Buck Turgidson said:

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ETFan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Bye. SpaceX can handle it.

Also, how many of those leaving are working on DEI nonsense and understanding Islam? Obama changed the mission of NASA. Did that ever get undone?

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The mind boggles at the ignorance shown daily.

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We get a lot of boggled CMs around here lately. One might say they are easily boggled.

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SpaceX killed the NASA star.

Interesting headline. Makes it sound like there's a revolt at hand rather than people taking a voluntary severance offer to allow the agency to downsize

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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KerrAg76 said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Yeah, the guy who saved free speech. Who is the only reliable party for space launches. Who created the whole EV market. Who is revolutionizing the brain/electronic interface...

Hell, he is even bringing back drive-ins. And is single handily (personally) attacking the decling birthrate problem more effectively than my Morman in-laws.

Perhaps you could cite some of his evil-ness? Or are you just looking for reactions?

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Musk doesn't pass the smell test?

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Prosperdick said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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will they be missed.

what has NASA done lately. haven't gone back to the moon in 50 years, have had multiple space shuttle blow up, can't bring astronauts home from space station.

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I still point to landing on the moon as the last impressive accomplishment of our government. Seriously, name something the government did over the last 55 years that was more impressive than landing on the moon and planting our flag.

Also, when I say "impressive" I mean in a positive way. They've certainly done MANY negative things that were impressive over that time....sadly.

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The Internet can trace some of its roots back to DoD funded research

Stealth Technology


Just a couple of marvels I give out government at least partial credit for. However, I think the more important issue here is that the taxpayer has not gotten the ROI from the MASSIVE amount of money the government wasted in some of their "great" ideas. In general, the government does things slower, worse and at a higher rate than the private sector. Until someone figures out how to fix that issue we're going to continue down a path of financial ruin.

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I'd say it's closer to ALL of it's roots.

There's a reason it was called the ARPANET to begin with.

Faustus said:

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Buck Turgidson said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Bye. SpaceX can handle it.

Also, how many of those leaving are working on DEI nonsense and understanding Islam? Obama changed the mission of NASA. Did that ever get undone?

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The mind boggles at the ignorance shown daily.

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We get a lot of boggled CMs around here lately. One might say they are easily boggled.

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SpaceX killed the NASA star.

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Boggled.

Not Buggled...

There was a boggles earlier in the quoted posts. One letter was close enough for me to pull the trigger.

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Bye. SpaceX can handle it.

Also, how many of those leaving are working on DEI nonsense and understanding Islam? Obama changed the mission of NASA. Did that ever get undone?

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The mind boggles at the ignorance shown daily.

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I wish we could flag posts for not actually saying anything. It's a regular thing that we get arrogance like this from a resident liberal with a drive by post suggesting they know something the rest of us don't. Post something useful or don't post.

It's a known fact Obama tasked NASA with making the Muslim world feel good about their contributions to math. Somebody had to do that which means it's a valid question in this context.

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They are leaving for more stability. Sounds crazy. But there is more stability in quitting with an additional paycheck than going to work each day not knowing if your job will be there or not the following day, week or month. I have friends that were damned good at what they did but the instability of political decisions made it untenable from a career perspective.

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Im not debating that. I'm simply clarifying that the NASA people will not be receiving some magic government check the rest of their lives. That ship sailed for the retirement eligible folks a few months ago, and it was a sweet deal Ive been told.

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Of course not. Magic isn't real. DUH!

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"Am I NOTHING to you?"

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There was a boggles earlier in the quoted posts. One letter was close enough for me to pull the trigger.

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I give it a lot of credit...

I got the reference immediately.

Buck Turgidson said:

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Is this going to mess up the Clear Lake resale narket?

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I stayed in Clear Lake in the 90s. Internship while at A&M. The place where I worked is shut down, unfortunately.

Over_ed said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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KerrAg76 said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Yeah, the guy who saved free speech. Who is the only reliable party for space launches. Who created the whole EV market. Who is revolutionizing the brain/electronic interface...

Hell, he is even bringing back drive-ins. And is single handily (personally) attacking the decling birthrate problem more effectively than my Morman in-laws.

Perhaps you could cite some of his evil-ness? Or are you just looking for reactions?

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Good for him. He did no one any favors. He did everything for himself.

He wants to flood this country with H1B and that displays his evilness. Why? Because he is dishonest. I worked with H1Bs before and 90% of them were crap. There were a few good ones but those were the exception. We as US workers had to clean up after these losers. Instead of asking for a cleanup/review of H1B, he wants it to be expanded.

He is evil.

infinity ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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KerrAg76 said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Elon is evil?

Did you not Twitter/X and DOGE, bro?

LOYAL AG said:

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ETFan said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Bye. SpaceX can handle it.

Also, how many of those leaving are working on DEI nonsense and understanding Islam? Obama changed the mission of NASA. Did that ever get undone?

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The mind boggles at the ignorance shown daily.

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I wish we could flag posts for not actually saying anything. It's a regular thing that we get arrogance like this from a resident liberal with a drive by post suggesting they know something the rest of us don't. Post something useful or don't post.

It's a known fact Obama tasked NASA with making the Muslim world feel good about their contributions to math. Somebody had to do that which means it's a valid question in this context.

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Yes. Muslims did practically nothing in Math. They stole their ideas from the ancient Hindus of India, added a few sprinkles on top, packaged it well and sold it to the Westerners and gave it names like Al-Jabr (algebra). Thieves.

No Spin Ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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BigRobSA said:

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KerrAg76 said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Elon is evil?

Did you not Twitter/X and DOGE, bro?

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So if I use twitter, it makes Elon evil or not evil? Interesting logic.

Seems like in the past few yrs or so NASA employees were polled as the most satisfied of all government workers . I suppose a big payday and an alternate roughly equivalent job elsewhere can be a big motivator . One issue might be the most marketable are also the more likely to take the deal.

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Seems like in the past few yrs or so NASA employees were polled as the most satisfied of all government workers . I suppose a big payday and an alternate roughly equivalent job elsewhere can be a big motivator . One issue might be the most marketable are also the more likely to take the deal.

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That is my observation.

But, then, I think pretty much every single NASA person I've met is a smart ****er.

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Seems like in the past few yrs or so NASA employees were polled as the most satisfied of all government workers . I suppose a big payday and an alternate roughly equivalent job elsewhere can be a big motivator . One issue might be the most marketable are also the more likely to take the deal.

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I don't know what the real turnover rate is for aerospace engineers from Nasa, but I also suspect it is pretty high as it is to some degree a 'ticket puncher' to a resume/advancing in the private sector. As such, working on a program that is at significant risk to be cancelled/not lead to results/do anything substantive would undermine the value, while also increasing the impetus/motivation to jump ship at a private sector (or other public sector) position.

Add to that the layered factor that most engineers are not…really politically motivated/MAGA/Trump supporters in my experience, and it's easy to see how a figure around this resignation estimate/rumor etc. could happen. For non-engineers/science-based administrative folks, a big wtf-ever as far as I am concerned.

"NASA" still has a lot of glamor and respect. Especially overseas. I have met foreign parents boasting that their son/daughter "works for NASA"

But I like Katherine LaNASA

Buck Turgidson said:

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Is this going to mess up the Clear Lake resale narket?

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No, $10,000/yr flood insurance already did that.

Is it really that much West of Hwy 146? That's where the bulk of the market is . That's like absolute robbery on steroids for places that haven't flooded before .

I sold the house I grew up in a few yrs back. West of 146 about 2 miles. 13 ft above sea level and has never flooded in 63 years . Flood and windstorm combined was under $4k annual premium. It was obviously an older home about 2300 sq ft. No palace but no shack either.

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Is it really that much West of Hwy 146? That's where the bulk of the market is . That's like absolute robbery on steroids for places that haven't flooded before .

I sold the house I grew up in a few yrs back. West of 146 about 2 miles. 13 ft above sea level and has never flooded in 63 years . Flood and windstorm combined was under $4k annual premium.

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I live on N Padre. My flood insurance is about $3K.

But, then there's $3K for windstorm and $1K for homeowners...

Worst storm we've had was Hanna in 2021. ****ed up Bob Hall Pier. But not really much damage more than that.

Both flood and windstorm have gone up at least $1K each year since then, though.

North Padre is a lot more subject to storm surge than Harris /Galveston counties 2 miles + inland from Galveston Bay and 20 miles inland from the Gulf tho. Also property values insured might be significantly different in these particular cases. That latter part may be a pretty big factor when the poster was talking about $10k per yr premiums. It matters what your'e insuring.

Ag with kids said:

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Is it really that much West of Hwy 146? That's where the bulk of the market is . That's like absolute robbery on steroids for places that haven't flooded before .

I sold the house I grew up in a few yrs back. West of 146 about 2 miles. 13 ft above sea level and has never flooded in 63 years . Flood and windstorm combined was under $4k annual premium.

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I live on N Padre. My flood insurance is about $3K.

But, then there's $3K for windstorm and $1K for homeowners...

Worst storm we've had was Hanna in 2021. ****ed up Bob Hall Pier. But not really much damage more than that.

Both flood and windstorm have gone up at least $1K each year since then, though.

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$3k for windstorm is a steal.

infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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infinity ag said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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KerrAg76 said:

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Yeah, only 14k employees….wonder how many SpaceX has??

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A little over 13k from a brief Googletron check.

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And per the Google:

Yes, SpaceX employs individuals on H-1B visas. SpaceX utilizes the H-1B visa program to hire foreign-born specialists in various technical roles, including engineering, IT, and computer science. The company has sponsored H-1B visas for numerous employees and is actively involved in the program, according to H1B Grader and other immigration resources.

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Guess who is getting information about space activities.
No wonder Musk went nuts. He is in on the scam. Good on Trump to throw this evil man out.

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Elon is evil?

Did you not Twitter/X and DOGE, bro?

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So if I use twitter, it makes Elon evil or not evil? Interesting logic.

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Hey, I'm just going off of what this place was like, and how the praise was heaped on Elon, when he bought Twitter, then went full maga, then cranked it to 11 when be was DOGE. I mean, how could a guy get that much love and appreciation and also be evil?

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Is it really that much West of Hwy 146? That's where the bulk of the market is . That's like absolute robbery on steroids for places that haven't flooded before .

I sold the house I grew up in a few yrs back. West of 146 about 2 miles. 13 ft above sea level and has never flooded in 63 years . Flood and windstorm combined was under $4k annual premium. It was obviously an older home about 2300 sq ft. No palace but no shack either.

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Ok, now we're going to get into what my FiL told me about his house which sounds very similar to your scenario.

Using 146 as a waypoint and 2 miles west as the distance, looks like we're talking about CLF.

FiL bought in 1972, was at 14 ft elevation, but now is closer to 13 ft. Never flooded - EVER.

But, in 2022, he was looking at flood insurance premiums of $10k/yr. So that was enough to scare him into selling after 50 years of ownership with zero flooding.

I told him, your house has been paid off for 30 years. it's never flooded. Just don't pay the premiums. Simple as that.

He ignored my advice and moved to Spring - at age 80 - nuts.

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Is it really that much West of Hwy 146? That's where the bulk of the market is . That's like absolute robbery on steroids for places that haven't flooded before .

I sold the house I grew up in a few yrs back. West of 146 about 2 miles. 13 ft above sea level and has never flooded in 63 years . Flood and windstorm combined was under $4k annual premium. It was obviously an older home about 2300 sq ft. No palace but no shack either.

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I'll have to look up the exact numbers but where I live now (moved from Los Angeles to Galveston almost 2 years ago) is 2 blocks from the Seawall and I'm in Flood Zone X so no flood insurance required but, my windstorm insurance is about $7k/year.

Timber Cove rather than CLF but close enough. $10k is outrageous imo.

I don't blame him for moving but Spring? I wouldn't doubt more places in Spring have flooded in the past 10 yrs than Harris and Galveston Counties combined west of 146 and east of 45.

I live on northern tip of L. Conroe - Huntsville address on a property that had never flooded before , even in Harvey. We flooded last yr. My flood premium now is $4k. I expect it will likely be $5k in the near future

One thing I will say, there is no escaping possible natural disaster irrespective of where you live . No doubt some places are more risky than others but even the lowest risk place can get hammered and it's then that the insurance was worth the price . In case someone is thinking I'm
In the insurance business … no and never have been. 42 yrs in the oilfield and retired now.

Btw, I am also a BQ. Thinking we may have shared a hs band director, Richard Bass. Great guy . Unfortunately he passed a few yrs ago.

While I think it is great that the private sector has stepped up regarding space exploration, it is sad what NASA has become. The funding has just shrunk to an inconsequential amount. USAID had the same budget as NASA. The EPA has nearly twice the budget.

It went from over 4% of government spending in the 60s to less than 0.5%.

Houston was the epicenter for space.

I've always found space exploration an incredible and worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately, most do not.

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While I think it is great that the private sector has stepped up regarding space exploration, it is sad what NASA has become. The funding has just shrunk to an inconsequential amount. USAID had the same budget as NASA. The EPA has nearly twice the budget.

It went from over 4% of government spending in the 60s to less than 0.5%.

Houston was the epicenter for space.

I've always found space exploration an incredible and worthwhile endeavor. Unfortunately, most do not.

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Agreed. As a historical NASA fan whose efforts were one of the few that I was totally cool funding, I don't even know what they do anymore.

Once the space shuttle program was killed, NASA disappeared from the public conscious.

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Over_ed said:

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infinity ag said:

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Yeah, the guy who saved free speech. Who is the only reliable party for space launches. Who created the whole EV market. Who is revolutionizing the brain/electronic interface...

Hell, he is even bringing back drive-ins. And is single handily (personally) attacking the decling birthrate problem more effectively than my Morman in-laws.

Perhaps you could cite some of his evil-ness? Or are you just looking for reactions?

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Good for him. He did no one any favors. He did everything for himself.

He wants to flood this country with H1B and that displays his evilness. Why? Because he is dishonest. I worked with H1Bs before and 90% of them were crap. There were a few good ones but those were the exception. We as US workers had to clean up after these losers. Instead of asking for a cleanup/review of H1B, he wants it to be expanded.

He is evil.

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Almost everyone works out of self-interest. Using the system the government set up to benefit your business is not evil. And I suspect that Musk tends to get better than average H1B folks, don't you? You know I agree with you on H1B, but please don't conflate legal and commonly accepted business behavior with "evil". Throwing around pejoratives both weakens your own moral authority as well as the seriousness people will impart your arguments. IMO.