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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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Tecolote said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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They should have to have truth in advertising laws. I've lived and worked in many European countries for many years spanning the last few decades. The government spin, propaganda, and subsidies for Airbus has always been aggravating. I think they've changed it, but a few European countries actually had lines on their tax returns to include bribes in foreign countries as tax deductions.

Reminds me of the International Marketing class I took my senior year back in the 70's. The entire subject matter was how, who, when, how much bribes should be paid/handled in foreign countries.

Fascinating class!

Mordita in Mexico. "A little bite"

JFABNRGR said:

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Tecolote said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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It would actually be better for the company to confirm a psycho pilot that went rogue as opposed to a design flaw that could potentially affect many planes in their fleet.

But, it may very well turn out to be a latent design flaw that caused this event. Hopefully the cause analysis is able to reach a conclusion - one way or another - based on fact.

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JFABNRGR said:

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Tecolote said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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It would actually be better for the company to confirm a psycho pilot that went rogue as opposed to a design flaw that could potentially affect many planes in their fleet.

But, it may very well turn out to be a latent design flaw that caused this event. Hopefully the cause analysis is able to reach a conclusion - one way or another - based on fact.

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I don't think so. Air India is the operator and will be liable for their pilots.

Boeing is the manufacturer and would be liable to faulty design, fabrication, etc.

Again there is zero evidence in the report leading to a faulty part, design, etc on behalf of Boeing.

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JFABNRGR said:

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Tecolote said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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It would actually be better for the company to confirm a psycho pilot that went rogue as opposed to a design flaw that could potentially affect many planes in their fleet.

But, it may very well turn out to be a latent design flaw that caused this event. Hopefully the cause analysis is able to reach a conclusion - one way or another - based on fact.

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I don't think so. Air India is the operator and will be liable for their pilots.

Boeing is the manufacturer and would be liable to faulty design, fabrication, etc.

Again there is zero evidence in the report leading to a faulty part, design, etc on behalf of Boeing.

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I just meant it would hurt Air India's business more if they operated multiple planes with a potential flaw, as opposed to an isolated incident involving a single pilot.

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I just meant it would hurt Air India's business more if they operated multiple planes with a potential flaw, as opposed to an isolated incident involving a single pilot.

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For whatever it's worth, here's where they fly. And I don't anything is going to hurt their business very much for long haul flights.

https://www.airindia.com/content/dam/air-india/newsroom/press-kits/pdfs/Air-India-International-Route-Map.pdf

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It would actually be better for the company to confirm a psycho pilot that went rogue as opposed to a design flaw that could potentially affect many planes in their fleet.

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Depends on what the airline knew about the pilot and his mental state.

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Tramp96 said:

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

There's no justifiable reason NOT to have video of the cockpit. None.

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Vive la... something something...

BTHOB said:

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JFABNRGR said:

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Tecolote said:

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Rapier108 said:

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Well, Fox News has moved on to implying Boeing is at fault for the crash, claiming there is a "fatal flaw" in the fuel cutoff system, and it affects aircraft other than the 787.

Their only proof is airlines are inspecting the system, and a 2018 FAA bulletin regarding the switches on some 737s.

No surprise of course. Fox News loves to blame Boeing when any plane they built has the slightest hiccup.

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I'm in Europe (not UK) and at breakfast they had BBC on and the newscaster stated "an inspection of all 787s has been ordered because investigators had found the fuel control switches were cycling on and off minutes after takeoff" - what a ****ing misleading, misinformation, and deceitful representation of what happened. Acting like the switches were doing these by themselves and "minutes"!! The entire event didn't last even a minute. Just disgusting.

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At the end did it was supposed to say this message is brought to you by airbus.

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It would actually be better for the company to confirm a psycho pilot that went rogue as opposed to a design flaw that could potentially affect many planes in their fleet.

But, it may very well turn out to be a latent design flaw that caused this event. Hopefully the cause analysis is able to reach a conclusion - one way or another - based on fact.

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Boeing will do everything in their power to make sure the blame lies on the pilots...likewise AIr INdia will be looking to blame the plane. So...pretty sure we will get to the truth as the two companies investigate each others culpability. The government of India will have the reports of both investigation teams and their own teams to figure it all out.

Tramp96 said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Tramp96 said:

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

There's no justifiable reason NOT to have video of the cockpit. None.

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The unions are against it because there is a huge concern the video will be used for more than safety analysis. As it stands now Pilots get far more scrutiny than any comparable profession such as Doctors or Lawyers when something goes wrong.

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Tramp96 said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Tramp96 said:

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

There's no justifiable reason NOT to have video of the cockpit. None.

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The unions are against it because there is a huge concern the video will be used for more than safety analysis. As it stands now Pilots get far more scrutiny than any comparable profession such as Doctors or Lawyers when something goes wrong.

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A doctor or a lawyer can't cause the deaths of 100-400 people with a single, solitary action.

We have body cams for police, cameras on the commuter bus drivers and commuter train conductors, cameras on daycare workers, cameras on truck drivers. And none of them can kill as many people in a single action as a pilot can.

There's no justification not to have cameras in the cockpits. The unions' position on this is pretty indefensible, in my opinion. What do the pilots not want the cameras to see? Hell, it could be just as much for their benefit....it could prove something wasn't pilot error.

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Jetpilot86 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Tramp96 said:

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

There's no justifiable reason NOT to have video of the cockpit. None.

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The unions are against it because there is a huge concern the video will be used for more than safety analysis. As it stands now Pilots get far more scrutiny than any comparable profession such as Doctors or Lawyers when something goes wrong.

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A doctor or a lawyer can't cause the deaths of 100-400 people with a single, solitary action.

We have body cams for police, cameras on the commuter bus drivers and commuter train conductors, cameras on daycare workers, cameras on truck drivers. And none of them can kill as many people in a single action as a pilot can.

There's no justification not to have cameras in the cockpits. The unions' position on this is pretty indefensible, in my opinion. What do the pilots not want the cameras to see? Hell, it could be just as much for their benefit....it could prove something wasn't pilot error.

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Uh... did you sleep through Covid?

Edit: Or while we're talking about India - Bhopal

HollywoodBQ said:

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Tramp96 said:

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Jetpilot86 said:

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Tramp96 said:

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WestAustinAg said:

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Tramp96 said:

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In this modern era with the new video technology we have and cloud storage, there's no reason not to have cameras in the cockpit.

CVR and FDR cannot always paint a complete picture, as this crash clearly demonstrates. Video would be able to show if and who cut the fuel off.

I've watched many an Air Disasters episode where the investigators are trying to piece together what happened from the CVR and FDR recordings, but would clearly have the missing pieces they need if there had also been video of what took place in the cockpit.

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Is there any airline in the world that video records the cockpit?

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Not that I'm aware of, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be doing it.

There's no justifiable reason NOT to have video of the cockpit. None.

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The unions are against it because there is a huge concern the video will be used for more than safety analysis. As it stands now Pilots get far more scrutiny than any comparable profession such as Doctors or Lawyers when something goes wrong.

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A doctor or a lawyer can't cause the deaths of 100-400 people with a single, solitary action.

We have body cams for police, cameras on the commuter bus drivers and commuter train conductors, cameras on daycare workers, cameras on truck drivers. And none of them can kill as many people in a single action as a pilot can.

There's no justification not to have cameras in the cockpits. The unions' position on this is pretty indefensible, in my opinion. What do the pilots not want the cameras to see? Hell, it could be just as much for their benefit....it could prove something wasn't pilot error.

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Uh... did you sleep through Covid?

Edit: Or while we're talking about India - Bhopal

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I'm all for cameras being installed in virus laboratories!