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Logos Stick said:

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Good. 99.9% of those residents are flaming libs.

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I'm sorry.. But if the policy is wrong the policy is wrong. How is this comment any different than

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"Kerr County MAGA voted to gut FEMA. They deny climate change. May they get what they voted for. Bless their hearts."

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First off, why is the policy "wrong"? Newsom's gov thinks it's correct.

Second, building section 8 housing next to a liberal's house is not in the same universe as little kids drowning in a flash flood. Your comparison is shocking to say the least.

Third, the Cali decision is completely controlled by the people they voted for. It is direct cause and effect! They made their bed, as they say. The flood would have occurred regardless of President. There is no cause/effect. Voting MAGA had zero to do with it.

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the most cool guy said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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They tried this in North Hollywood and they proved that government low income housing costs about $700k per unit. And that was in NoHo in the late 2010s.

In The Palisades, they'll be lucky if they get 50 units built in the next 5-10 years for $100M.

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Its all incremental. You don't announce $5B in ghettos: you get your foot in the door. You slow roll residential so that the first ones "back" are the crackheads, and everyone else starts giving up and selling. Then you slush $ into the project and tell your leftist friends how you're so great and clever for making a 15min city.

"Los Angeles has taken significant steps to rebuild after January's fires, but the devastation is significant and there remains a long road ahead. Thousands of families from Pacific Palisades to Altadena to Malibu are still displaced and we owe it to them to help. The funding we're announcing today will accelerate the development of affordable multifamily rental housing so that those rebuilding their lives after this tragedy have access to a safe, affordable place to come home to," said Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Hoyt Ag said:

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Shawn Ryan has Gavin on this week. With that said, I am no longer following Shawn's podcast. Giving Newsome a platform to speak just strengthens his chances at winning in 28 and I cannot support someone that enables that.

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I'm not a fan of any dem speaking ever, but maybe he'll make a fool of himself like kammie did.

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He made a fool of himself by debating DeSantis. Democrats are not used to pointed questions and typically don't have the debating skills to answer them. They are handled with kid gloves and given softball questions from a complicit media. Newsom was so out of his element in that debate I'm positive outtakes will be used in campaign commercials. He's either not that smart or a lazy entitled Democrat. Probably a little of both.

Public housing projects always become ghettos and bring in higher crime. It is inevitable. The Dems labor under the delusion that public subsidized housing in a nice area will magically convert its inhabitants into better, more wise people. It probably does help a few of them get service jobs closer to where they live, but people don't respect something they didn't earn so much. they can become conditioned to expect handouts, however.

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It's sort of real but the actual announcement says it's going to be spread out across the whole city.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/07/08/governor-newsom-commits-101-million-to-jumpstart-critical-rebuilding-efforts-after-la-fires/

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Ahhh, that makes sense. Spread the tumors out all over instead of one concentrated location. That should help.

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"Los Angeles has taken significant steps to rebuild after January's fires, but the devastation is significant and there remains a long road ahead. Thousands of families from Pacific Palisades to Altadena to Malibu are still displaced and we owe it to them to help. The funding we're announcing today will accelerate the development of affordable multifamily rental housing so that those rebuilding their lives after this tragedy have access to a safe, affordable place to come home to," said Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Something about pissing on your leg but telling you it's raining......

Do you even "long game" bro? The devil is in the details...55 years...

the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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You aren't going to be able to build 20 MF buildings for and buy the land for $101M. This is enough to build maybe one large apartment complex. It's stupid, but lets not blow it out of proportion.

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Public housing projects always become ghettos and bring in higher crime. It is inevitable. The Dems labor under the delusion that public subsidized housing in a nice area will magically convert its inhabitants into better, more wise people. It probably does help a few of them get service jobs closer to where they live, but people don't respect something they didn't earn so much. they can become conditioned to expect handouts, however.

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Just ask the management of the Carnival cruise lines how that worked out

Exactly my first thought when I read this. Unfortunately I think Cali debt will be federal debt at some point which is 100% bullcrap for non-Californians.

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Public housing projects always become ghettos and bring in higher crime. It is inevitable. The Dems labor under the delusion that public subsidized housing in a nice area will magically convert its inhabitants into better, more wise people. It probably does help a few of them get service jobs closer to where they live, but people don't respect something they didn't earn so much. they can become conditioned to expect handouts, however.

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I honestly don't think they believe that. They just do it to appear virtuous and empathetic for votes. They're probably aware of the potential consequences, they just don't care because it's not next to their neighborhood.

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But we've a train to finish.

Newsome is a ****stain.

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Whatever happened with that? Just sitting unfinished?

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What the leftist politicians really want are as many people as possible that feel like they can't make it without government "help".

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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Throw up some crack houses, drive down land value then buy the rest. Big government 101

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BlueSmoke said:

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"Los Angeles has taken significant steps to rebuild after January's fires, but the devastation is significant and there remains a long road ahead. Thousands of families from Pacific Palisades to Altadena to Malibu are still displaced and we owe it to them to help. The funding we're announcing today will accelerate the development of affordable multifamily rental housing so that those rebuilding their lives after this tragedy have access to a safe, affordable place to come home to," said Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Something about pissing on your leg but telling you it's raining......

Do you even "long game" bro? The devil is in the details...55 years...

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Agreed - that's the point. It's never going back. Just more ghetto sprawl. All in the name of "Affordability"

Kenneth_2003 said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Good. 99.9% of those residents are flaming libs.

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I'm sorry.. But if the policy is wrong the policy is wrong. How is this comment any different than

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"Kerr County MAGA voted to gut FEMA. They deny climate change. May they get what they voted for. Bless their hearts."

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One celebrates the deaths of little girls. The other celebrates idiots stewing in their own ***** See the difference? I bet you still don't

CA Senate passes bill to let LA buy fire-destroyed lots for low-income housing https://t.co/Pk0HAUfh8s

— Just the News (@JustTheNews) July 15, 2025

Psycho Bunny said:

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A liberal governor trying to land grab after a national disaster

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Almost like it was planned....

the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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Average size of lots in Pacific Palisades is about 8K sq ft. That's not going to be a lot of housing when you factoring parking and such, especially when it'll be spread across the city.

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the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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Average size of lots in Pacific Palisades is about 8K sq ft. That's not going to be a lot of housing when you factoring parking and such, especially when it'll be spread across the city.

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Every cancer starts small. They know what low-income housing does to land values.

Start the cancer, let the cancer spread, let the cancer kill the body, then buy the body for pennies on the dollar, and finally reanimate the body (gentrify) and profit by 10x.

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How does Newsom gain from this? Awarding contracts to his buddies in exchange for kickbacks?

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His maids, lawn-man, and nanny can afford to live closer to his home.

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CA Senate passes bill to let LA buy fire-destroyed lots for low-income housing https://t.co/Pk0HAUfh8s

— Just the News (@JustTheNews) July 15, 2025

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[color=#000000][font=arial]The California Senate passed a bill to allow Los Angeles County and other municipalities to use property taxes to fund "Resilient Rebuilding Authorities" that would have to use at least 40% of their funding for building low-income housing. Senate Bill 549 now has a hearing in the state Assembly scheduled for Wednesday.[/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial]As a funding mechanism, the bill would allow the RRA for the Los Angeles wildfires to "Issue, receive, and administer funds, including, but not limited to, tax-increment financing, federal loans and grants, state loans and grants, and philanthropic grants, to support recovery."[/font][/color]

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[color=#000000][font=arial]RRA-LAW would then be able to use taxpayer funds to oversee most of the construction process, and would be granted the power to "Purchase lots at a fair price for land banking," "purchase critical construction materials in bulk," and "Support the reconstruction workforce by partnering with trades, facilitating training and workforce development, and creating temporary workforce housing."[/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial]RRA-LAW would also "Facilitate reconstruction of lost rental housing stock, including by promotion of accessory dwelling units, senior-serving housing, and replacement of affordable housing lost in the fires."[/font][/color]

[color=#000000][font=arial]The remaining funding could be used for "multifamily affordable housing projects," "transit capital projects," and "transit-oriented development projects."[/font][/color]

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AggiePetro07 said:

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akm91 said:

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the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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Average size of lots in Pacific Palisades is about 8K sq ft. That's not going to be a lot of housing when you factoring parking and such, especially when it'll be spread across the city.

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Every cancer starts small. They know what low-income housing does to land values.

Start the cancer, let the cancer spread, let the cancer kill the body, then buy the body for pennies on the dollar, and finally reanimate the body (gentrify) and profit by 10x.

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Okay, but what is your solution to housing for areas where no adjacent affordability is available?

I am on the return from a visit to Big Sky. They have a problem that is growing quickly regarding affordable housing for workers required to support a very large development year-round. Not everyone can live in an RV serving huckleberry ice cream to Texans escaping the heat, nor should they live 30 to a room to stay warm during ski season whilst Texans show their love of the slopes.

At some point each municipality has to determine how you house the varying classes of people, regardless of land value.

Now, do I support what Newsom is doing here? Hell no. Do I think the majority of public housing projects are well-planned and managed? Hell no.

Do I think communities can work for appropriate plans that don't involve "the projects", hell yes.

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It's sort of real but the actual announcement says it's going to be spread out across the whole city.

https://www.gov.ca.gov/2025/07/08/governor-newsom-commits-101-million-to-jumpstart-critical-rebuilding-efforts-after-la-fires/

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Yeah, that reads nothing like what the OP claims.

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It does to me.

It's fast tracking and prioritizing low income projects in areas where the fires hit. Says it right in the announcement.

Especially liked how the Director of this stated that this will bring climate stability. lol. These brainwashed zealots cant say anything without it somehow improving climate change.

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Then you need to read it again...

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HCD's Multifamily Finance Super NOFA (MFSN) allows affordable housing developers to apply to multiple funding programs through a single application. In February 2025, HCD released a MFSN Notice of Funding Availability (NOFA) announcing $382 million available for development of affordable multifamily rental housing statewide. A separate $50 million Tribal MFSN was released in March 2025.

The special MFSN NOFA announced today (MFSN-LA Disaster) provides an additional $101 million in funding to support recovery and rebuilding efforts from 2025 wildfires within Los Angeles County. This MFSN-LA Disaster NOFA has been designed to meet the immediate housing needs of disaster-impacted areas and residents in Los Angeles as quickly as possible by prioritizing projects that are: close to wildfire burn areas; ready to begin construction immediately upon award; and include a resident preference for households displaced by the Los Angeles County wildfires.

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MFSN is just the notification and application process for multiple programs. It's basically like what Apply Texas is for college applications. MFSN-LA Disaster, this $101 million, is specifically for projects in or around fire affected areas, not just Pacific Palisades like the OP claims, that show a preference for people displaced by the fires. While units reserved for low income renters get you points in scoring, they're not required. This is also for private development, so it's not a "landgrab" as the city didn't own any of it, and this isn't the projects, just subsidies for private developers to set aside cheap rentals as a part of their private development.

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A liberal governor trying to land grab after a national disaster

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We are kidding ourselves if we don't think they have plans for all sorts of contingencies. Two that come to mind are:

1. St. George Floyd -- they had a plan ready for the first optically bad white police on black perp arrest/violence and rolled it out to perfection with riots, acceleration of DEI, defunding of police, etc.
2. Transgendersim -- no one gave it a second thought until after Obergefell found a constitutional right to gay marriage; depriving them of the gay wedge issue, suddenly, as if it were a plan waiting on the shelf, bathroom usage, surgery and men in women's sports was suddenly elevated to the next big thing.

That's my retirement plan, more or less. I only need enough to pay my health care premium until Medicare.

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AggiePetro07 said:

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akm91 said:

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the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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Average size of lots in Pacific Palisades is about 8K sq ft. That's not going to be a lot of housing when you factoring parking and such, especially when it'll be spread across the city.

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Every cancer starts small. They know what low-income housing does to land values.

Start the cancer, let the cancer spread, let the cancer kill the body, then buy the body for pennies on the dollar, and finally reanimate the body (gentrify) and profit by 10x.

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Okay, but what is your solution to housing for areas where no adjacent affordability is available?

I am on the return from a visit to Big Sky. They have a problem that is growing quickly regarding affordable housing for workers required to support a very large development year-round. Not everyone can live in an RV serving huckleberry ice cream to Texans escaping the heat, nor should they live 30 to a room to stay warm during ski season whilst Texans show their love of the slopes.

At some point each municipality has to determine how you house the varying classes of people, regardless of land value.

Now, do I support what Newsom is doing here? Hell no. Do I think the majority of public housing projects are well-planned and managed? Hell no.

Do I think communities can work for appropriate plans that don't involve "the projects", hell yes.

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Same thing is happening in Steamboat Springs. Not much housing for the workers. They are now migrating to Hayden and building affordable housing there and Craig is next.

Hoyt Ag said:

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flown-the-coop said:

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AggiePetro07 said:

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akm91 said:

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the most cool guy said:

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captkirk said:

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101 million will buy you 20 lots or so

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20 lots with several multi-story multi-family dwellings packed onto each lot is quite a bit of housing.

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Average size of lots in Pacific Palisades is about 8K sq ft. That's not going to be a lot of housing when you factoring parking and such, especially when it'll be spread across the city.

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Every cancer starts small. They know what low-income housing does to land values.

Start the cancer, let the cancer spread, let the cancer kill the body, then buy the body for pennies on the dollar, and finally reanimate the body (gentrify) and profit by 10x.

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Okay, but what is your solution to housing for areas where no adjacent affordability is available?

I am on the return from a visit to Big Sky. They have a problem that is growing quickly regarding affordable housing for workers required to support a very large development year-round. Not everyone can live in an RV serving huckleberry ice cream to Texans escaping the heat, nor should they live 30 to a room to stay warm during ski season whilst Texans show their love of the slopes.

At some point each municipality has to determine how you house the varying classes of people, regardless of land value.

Now, do I support what Newsom is doing here? Hell no. Do I think the majority of public housing projects are well-planned and managed? Hell no.

Do I think communities can work for appropriate plans that don't involve "the projects", hell yes.

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Same thing is happening in Steamboat Springs. Not much housing for the workers. They are now migrating to Hayden and building affordable housing there and Craig is next.

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Is the issue zoning restrictions that won't allow more housing to be built that could be more affordable to workers (in other words multifamily housing), not enough land left in the town or nearby to develop, or even with ample space for development land values anywhere nearby are simply far too high to make sense for such development?

The issue is every spec of dirt is now at NYC prices (kidding, but you get the drift), then construction costs are insane in these locales, followed by a short building season.

Bozeman is seeming to embrace this concept a bit, but now you are going to have more "commuters" on already too busy mountain roads.

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Newsom isn't building anything.

It's not his time, talents, or treasure going into it.

He is using other peoples money to buy votes/prestige/influence.

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IMHO he will be getting kickbacks laundered through political donation, LLCs, family members, etc.

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sam callahan said:

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Newsom isn't building anything.

It's not his time, talents, or treasure going into it.

He is using other peoples money to buy votes/prestige/influence.

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IMHO he will be getting kickbacks laundered through political donation, LLCs, family members, etc.

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Oh it's been happening for a long time with that cat.

Smells like incrementalism to me.

Now what about that Senate bill above? CA is going to nose their way into this someway and it seems to me like they are doing it from multiple angles. Some are just more subtle than others.

ChemAg15 said:

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How does Newsom gain from this? Awarding contracts to his buddies in exchange for kickbacks?

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I promise this is nowhere near where a single friend (much less slight acquaintance) lives.