Yet another reason why a bill shouldn't be hundreds of pages long where you have to rely on media outlets and politicians to summarize / spin it for you. Make it 1-3 pages max so everyone can read it themselves and cut out the interpreters

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

Get the big companies to use some of these tax breaks to either get their employees off of government entitlements or cover the cost.
I'm all for the tax cuts, but we give them with no expectation. Companies with billions of dollars in revenues that are saving hundreds of millions and billions from these tax cuts shouldn't be gaming the entitlement system to cover employment costs.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for some parts of it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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GOP is just as bad in adding pork to their legislation. So stupid that Senators Cruz and Cornyn slipped in a wasteful provision to move Discovery from the Smithsonian to Texas.

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When they were determining where to put the shuttles, Texas was left off the list because, well, it's a red state and Obama wasn't going to reward them with one.

This is just correcting that snub.

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Should have taken Enterprise instead of it being in a tent on the deck of Intrepid

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Fair enough.

But, ONE of those ships should have come to Texas considering the role Houston has played in all the shuttle missions.

That was a huge snub, IMO...

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Snub or not, it doesn't change the fact it's pork and wasteful spending.

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I find someone on the left complaining about wasteful spending very amusing considering what y'all think the government should be spending on...

I won't, however, agree that it's not necessary spending.

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I know you've been following me around threads recently. It's like you fail to understand that I'm not some hardcore liberal. Rightists don't have the exclusive ability on criticizing the government. I'm also criticize Democrat pork. But, even if I didn't, it's now apparent President Trump ran on lies when it came to shrinking the federal government.

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To be fair shrinking the government is not the same as reducing the deficit. And I don't recall him ever saying he would reduce the deficit.

Cutting headcount and regulations is what I think of as far as shrinking the government.

Why is Elon so pissed?

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Yet another reason why a bill shouldn't be hundreds of pages long where you have to rely on media outlets and politicians to summarize / spin it for you. Make it 1-3 pages max so everyone can read it themselves and cut out the interpreters

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oh I am 100% for single issue bills. legislation should be easy to read and understand by the lawmakers and the public and easy to vote on for congress. they should be harder to hide kickbacks, side deals, pork and add-ons. A lot of single issue bills do get introduced and voted on, but Andy Biggs R (AZ) sponsored/introduced the One Bill One Subject Transparency Act in both the last congress and the current congress to enforce all legislation to be single issue. The current version, introduced in January, is awaiting committee consideration. Thomas Massie and Chip Roy are others who have been vocally supportive of it, and I hope it gets enough support to be passed. it will need all Rs because zero Dems would support it.

The BBB was an effort for a slightly R-controlled house and barely R-controlled senate to get most of the Trump agenda that the American people voted on last November passed quickly and codified before the 2026 mid-terms risk none of it. It's something every congress has done, like Biden's billion dollar infrastructure bill (that was mostly not for infrastructure) and his nearly billion dollar "inflation reduction act" that was really for climate change (as if gov can spend its way out of currency devaluation). I do think the BBB accomplished some real and productive things. I don't like a 1,000 page loaded bill. I also hate the commie regime member bureaucrat parliamentarian who chopped it up in the senate. but it is what it is.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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And that's still a bargain for most old people and Old Poor People with significant health care costs Nursing facilities Dialysis are on Medicaid
No I don't think Granny will be thrown out it's just going to be much more expensive for new residents to get a bed at these facilities

Lower gasoline prices are flowing through America's supply chains and reducing inflation for everyday goods in grocery stores across the nation. Thank you, @POTUS!

— Secretary Doug Burgum (@SecretaryBurgum) July 8, 2025

cost of living coming down!

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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Lower gasoline prices are flowing through America's supply chains and reducing inflation for everyday goods in grocery stores across the nation. Thank you, @POTUS!

— Secretary Doug Burgum (@SecretaryBurgum) July 8, 2025

cost of living coming down!

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Inflation will be 2.5% or higher for June. See you on Tuesday.

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infinity ag said:

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed up.

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed up.

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but you realize Medicaid is a socialist national program that we the American taxpayers fund so that poor people can have free healthcare and it's rife with fraudulent claims for the lazy as well as non-citizens to get "free" healthcare though they shouldn't need it.

welfare programs for government-provided housing, food, and healthcare should never be permanent options for anyone who chooses to be lazy, but that's always what happens. these programs should have incentives to get off your ass and work and get people off of welfare instead of encouraging more and more permanent free hand out seekers. the pendulum is swinging currently to the party that wants to do something, like put more controls in place to prevent and cancel fraudulent claims. the socialist party, as they always do, will yell and scream about the evil fascists taking healthcare away from grandma and grandpa when nothing of the sort is actually in that bill.

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed us

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welfare programs for government-provided housing, food, and healthcare should never be permanent options for anyone who chooses to be lazy

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed up.

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but you realize Medicaid is a socialist national program that we the American taxpayers fund so that poor people can have free healthcare and it's rife with fraudulent claims for the lazy as well as non-citizens to get "free" healthcare though they shouldn't need it.

welfare programs for government-provided housing, food, and healthcare should never be permanent options for anyone who chooses to be lazy, but that's always what happens. these programs should have incentives to get off your ass and work and get people off of welfare instead of encouraging more and more permanent free hand out seekers. the pendulum is swinging currently to the party that wants to do something, like put more controls in place to prevent and cancel fraudulent claims. the socialist party, as they always do, will yell and scream about the evil fascists taking healthcare away from grandma and grandpa when nothing of the sort is actually in that bill.

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Many states have no net worth requirements for Medicaid, only income.

So a billionaire, who kept all his assets in non-income producing stocks, would qualify for Medicaid in those states.

And once one qualifies for Medicaid in those states, one also automatically qualifies for a plethora of other low-income programs such as SNAP (food stamps), rent assistance, utility assistance, etc. In Pennsylvania, the total value of the government programs is roughly $50,000/year. Many, many 30 somethings in rural Pennsylvania are not working but living entirely off of government programs.

pulling a fraudulent claim over the government's head about how poor you are and how unable to work you are is super-easy when bureaucrats reviewing claims have an incentive to keep and grow the government-dependent voting base that needs to vote for daddy government and free stuff. that's how socialism works.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for some parts of it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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Pedantic. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the coverage. Of course they ensure I pay it by deducting it from my SS check. Many people incur more medical costs than their insurance pays. Most don't, that's the way insurance works. I don't (so far) incur costs anywhere near what I pay in for MCare.

Part A is premium free - unless of course the "i paid into it for 40 years" part of your statement was not true.

If no premium hospital coverage (app 45% of lifetime health expenditures - mostly occuring in old age) is a trivial detail, please excuse my interest in objective, detail oriented discussion.

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GOP is just as bad in adding pork to their legislation. So stupid that Senators Cruz and Cornyn slipped in a wasteful provision to move Discovery from the Smithsonian to Texas.

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When they were determining where to put the shuttles, Texas was left off the list because, well, it's a red state and Obama wasn't going to reward them with one.

This is just correcting that snub.

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Should have taken Enterprise instead of it being in a tent on the deck of Intrepid

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Fair enough.

But, ONE of those ships should have come to Texas considering the role Houston has played in all the shuttle missions.

That was a huge snub, IMO...

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Snub or not, it doesn't change the fact it's pork and wasteful spending.

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I find someone on the left complaining about wasteful spending very amusing considering what y'all think the government should be spending on...

I won't, however, agree that it's not necessary spending.

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I know you've been following me around threads recently. It's like you fail to understand that I'm not some hardcore liberal. Rightists don't have the exclusive ability on criticizing the government. I'm also criticize Democrat pork. But, even if I didn't, it's now apparent President Trump ran on lies when it came to shrinking the federal government.

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I know you think very high of yourself, but please don't think you're so important that I would care to follow you around threads.

Did you ever think that I might just read threads and comment on things that are of interest to me? It's not all about you...

And maybe you do criticize Dems.

But, you must be doing it on a different board because you don't do it here.

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The so-called cuts in the one big beautiful bill are actually work requirements for able bodied people on Medicaid. The Work requirements due not apply to people in assisted-living or the like. The "cuts" are the anticipated savings from all of the people being forced off of Medicaid that shouldn't be on it in the first place.

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Grandma and Grandpa are on Medicare, not Medicaid, but nice try.

And the only people getting cut on Medicaid are the able bodied lazy asses that aren't willing to work even part time.

This is what cutting fraud and abuse looks like.

Good.

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Not true, it's been stated 40% of illegal immigrants are on medicaid, personally, I think the number is closer to a 100%

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You would be wrong. Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for medicaid. Only exception is life saving emergency treatment.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for some parts of it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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Pedantic. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the coverage. Of course they ensure I pay it by deducting it from my SS check. Many people incur more medical costs than their insurance pays. Most don't, that's the way insurance works. I don't (so far) incur costs anywhere near what I pay in for MCare.

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About 25% of a person's Medicare spending occurs in the last year of life. Maybe Medicare should be spent on defensible care and quality outcomes, not wishful thinking for individuals and their families who can emotionally justify spending other people's money.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for some parts of it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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Pedantic. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the coverage. Of course they ensure I pay it by deducting it from my SS check. Many people incur more medical costs than their insurance pays. Most don't, that's the way insurance works. I don't (so far) incur costs anywhere near what I pay in for MCare.

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About 25% of a person's Medicare spending occurs in the last year of life. Maybe Medicare should be spent on defensible care and quality outcomes, not wishful thinking for individuals and their families who can emotionally justify spending other people's money.

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Wow.

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Some elderly go to a lawyer to get their assets transferred out of their names so they can qualify for Medicaid.

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Once again it's Medicare for us old folks, not MCaid. And we pay for some parts of it based upon income, even after "contributing" for 40years. Mine is almost $500 per month.

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Pedantic. If I don't pay that money, I don't get the coverage. Of course they ensure I pay it by deducting it from my SS check. Many people incur more medical costs than their insurance pays. Most don't, that's the way insurance works. I don't (so far) incur costs anywhere near what I pay in for MCare.

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About 25% of a person's Medicare spending occurs in the last year of life. Maybe Medicare should be spent on defensible care and quality outcomes, not wishful thinking for individuals and their families who can emotionally justify spending other people's money.

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Wow.

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There is only so much money and resources to go around. There is no free lunch.

Going into debt to pay for significant end of life care reduces opportunities and growth prospects for the next generations.

Eta: i post this as a son whose father underwent immunotherapy treatments costing someone (because we didn't pay much, and stopped responding to bill collectors) 10s of thousands of dollars to extend his life another year, maybe, with Stage 4 melanoma

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Grandma and Grandpa are on Medicare, not Medicaid, but nice try.

And the only people getting cut on Medicaid are the able bodied lazy asses that aren't willing to work even part time.

This is what cutting fraud and abuse looks like.

Good.

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Not true, it's been stated 40% of illegal immigrants are on medicaid, personally, I think the number is closer to a 100%

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You would be wrong. Illegal immigrants aren't eligible for medicaid. Only exception is life saving emergency treatment.

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and the sniffles = COVID = life saving emergency

This is related

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Mike Johnson says there's more bills to come which will hopefully address more spending cuts.

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And maybe you do criticize Dems.

But, you must be doing it on a different board because you don't do it here.

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Just a bold faced lie. I was one of the first here to call for President Biden to resign after the debate. You want a second example? I was critical of the slap on the wrist Hunter Biden got. Your schtick is tiresome.

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Well 10 years ago they were wheeling grandma and grandpa up to a cliff and then pushing them off. I even saw an ad depicting this on TV! At least they have become more moderate and are just cutting their Medicare now.

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As the BBB was working its way through Congress, there were two things being considered. One was to have grandma and grandpa wheel themselves up to the cliff and then over it, the other was to make illegals push them up and over and then push the illegals right behind them. Haven't read the final bill to see what they went with.

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Part A is premium free - unless of course the "i paid into it for 40 years" part of your statement was not true.

If no premium hospital coverage (app 45% of lifetime health expenditures - mostly occuring in old age) is a trivial detail, please excuse my interest in objective, detail oriented discussion.

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Yes, it is possible to have Medicare Part A without also having Part B, but with a cost. Most people who are eligible for premium-free Part A can enroll in Part A without also enrolling in Part B. However, those who have to pay a premium for Part A (because they don't have enough work history to qualify for premium-free Part A) must also enroll in Part B if they want to have Part A.

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Almost no one would turn down Part B. So the the term "Medicare" is used by the vast majority to encompass both Hospitalization and Medical Insurance. Throw in the supplement (really pretty cheap) and I pay just about as much for MediCare as I would for private health insurance. I know some people who choose that route. Your premium is tiered based upon your AGI two years back. Make enough money and it really doesn't matter much ow much you "contributed".

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And maybe you do criticize Dems.

But, you must be doing it on a different board because you don't do it here.

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Just a bold faced lie. I was one of the first here to call for President Biden to resign after the debate. You want a second example? I was critical of the slap on the wrist Hunter Biden got. Your schtick is tiresome.

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"bald-faced lie".

Not "bold faced lie".

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed up.

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but you realize Medicaid is a socialist national program that we the American taxpayers fund so that poor people can have free healthcare and it's rife with fraudulent claims for the lazy as well as non-citizens to get "free" healthcare though they shouldn't need it.

welfare programs for government-provided housing, food, and healthcare should never be permanent options for anyone who chooses to be lazy, but that's always what happens. these programs should have incentives to get off your ass and work and get people off of welfare instead of encouraging more and more permanent free hand out seekers. the pendulum is swinging currently to the party that wants to do something, like put more controls in place to prevent and cancel fraudulent claims. the socialist party, as they always do, will yell and scream about the evil fascists taking healthcare away from grandma and grandpa when nothing of the sort is actually in that bill.

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Sure. That is why I ask Trump to investigate all these programs and fix them.

I am not scared of "socialism" like many here are. To me, it is not a derogatory term. You cannot have a happy country with cut-throat capitalism. We need some doses of socialism too. It is all in moderation - the right levels.

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Part A is premium free - unless of course the "i paid into it for 40 years" part of your statement was not true.

If no premium hospital coverage (app 45% of lifetime health expenditures - mostly occuring in old age) is a trivial detail, please excuse my interest in objective, detail oriented discussion.

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more detail then:

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Yes, it is possible to have Medicare Part A without also having Part B, but with a cost. Most people who are eligible for premium-free Part A can enroll in Part A without also enrolling in Part B. However, those who have to pay a premium for Part A (because they don't have enough work history to qualify for premium-free Part A) must also enroll in Part B if they want to have Part A.

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Almost no one would turn down Part B. So the the term "Medicare" is used by the vast majority to encompass both Hospitalization and Medical Insurance. Throw in the supplement (really pretty cheap) and I pay just about as much for MediCare as I would for private health insurance. I know some people who choose that route. Your premium is tiered based upon your AGI two years back. Make enough money and it really doesn't matter much ow much you "contributed".

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You can request an adjustment for IRMMA if you've retired:

If your income has gone down significantly due to a life-changing event, you can request a reconsideration from Social Security by filing Form SSA-44.

Accepted life events include:

• Retirement or reduced work
• Death of a spouse
• Divorce
• Loss of income-producing property

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Cutting medical care from grandma and grandpa?

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Medicaid is not Medicare

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OK, got it. I am not in the age group yet to need it so I got them mixed up.

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but you realize Medicaid is a socialist national program that we the American taxpayers fund so that poor people can have free healthcare and it's rife with fraudulent claims for the lazy as well as non-citizens to get "free" healthcare though they shouldn't need it.

welfare programs for government-provided housing, food, and healthcare should never be permanent options for anyone who chooses to be lazy, but that's always what happens. these programs should have incentives to get off your ass and work and get people off of welfare instead of encouraging more and more permanent free hand out seekers. the pendulum is swinging currently to the party that wants to do something, like put more controls in place to prevent and cancel fraudulent claims. the socialist party, as they always do, will yell and scream about the evil fascists taking healthcare away from grandma and grandpa when nothing of the sort is actually in that bill.

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Sure. That is why I ask Trump to investigate all these programs and fix them.

I am not scared of "socialism" like many here are. To me, it is not a derogatory term. You cannot have a happy country with cut-throat capitalism. We need some doses of socialism too. It is all in moderation - the right levels.

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but your first post on this thread was "cutting health care from grandma and grandpa" when that is false- the cuts dems are screaming about re: this bill are able-bodied and non-citizens on medicaid, aka fraud. nothing in the bill cutting any old retirees off medicare.

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And maybe you do criticize Dems.

But, you must be doing it on a different board because you don't do it here.

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Just a bold faced lie. I was one of the first here to call for President Biden to resign after the debate. You want a second example? I was critical of the slap on the wrist Hunter Biden got. Your schtick is tiresome.

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And the spending that the left does?

Since that is what we're discussing and you stated you call out pork on the left...

But congrats on criticizing those 2 things...

ETA: It's interesting that the debate occurred on 6/27/2024 and your 2 closest posts to that date were 6/11/2024 and 7/13/2024. So, where was it that you were one of the first to call on Biden to resign after the debate? Because it sure wasn't on TexAgs... The receipts...