DOJ: Epstein killed himself, no client list

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Vance talked Epstein a bit on Rogan today.
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AggieVictor10 said:

Im Gipper said:

Keyno said:

AIPAC cannot stop Massie


Yes!! Can't wait until he reads the names! Any day now!


Good thing there's no client list.


Then everyone should support this bill.
But I'm sure we are going to be given a narrative as to why not!

Hopefully Trump will not waste time calling house members to the whitehouse this time to try them to vote against it this time.
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Zachary Klement said:



Vance talked Epstein a bit on Rogan today.


Contrast this with all the stuff he used to say before he was vice president. If he was not vice president he'd fit right in being a cohost with Dan Bongino.
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Zachary Klement said:



Vance talked Epstein a bit on Rogan today.


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So we're waging a war on behalf of the country that ran a blackmail scheme of kidnapped underage American girls? And the VP is nonchalant about it. Clown world.
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The people that ran on maga and won on maga which included in large part draining the swamp have done nothing more than just settle right into the swamp!

It's been one of the most disappointing things to watch. The thing that stays the same is Republicans do best when they are not in power and just get to rant about what they would do if ever given the chance.
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JD Vance is a hell of an actor (politician).

I clearly see why Peter Thiel made him the chosen one.
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The guy that had the highest connections in intelligence also happened to have a front door right next to Lutnick. The guy that just happens to be in the current administration. Just all random coincidences.
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Texaguser17 said:

So we're waging a war on behalf of the country that ran a blackmail scheme of kidnapped underage American girls? And the VP is nonchalant about it. Clown world.

Vance is just another Crenshaw in my eyes at this point. Been thinking it for quite some time but this whole debacle more or less seals the deal officially for me. Swamp critter with eyes only on his own future. I hope he is soundly beaten in the primaries.
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Yeah. Seems like Vance is losing support from both sides of the Republican Party with his over-politicking. I was a big fan, but I'm not sure he has what it takes for the big show.
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Texaguser17 said:

So we're waging a war on behalf of the country that ran a blackmail scheme of kidnapped underage American girls? And the VP is nonchalant about it. Clown world.

WhY dO yOu WaNt To GeNoCiDe AlL jEwS?!?!?!?
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Texaguser17 said:

So we're waging a war on behalf of the country that ran a blackmail scheme of kidnapped underage American girls? And the VP is nonchalant about it. Clown world.


JD better be careful those types of comments, as nonchalant as they were, are quick to get him labeled as an anti-semite around on this board.
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You guys make me shake my head. I suppose you must think the problems with the swamp were fixable overnight. The issues are decades old, and running very deep. This man has been VP for less than 2 years.

I am with you, though, in as much as I'd like to see more progress. In fact, corruption and fraud have emerged as my top issues. But to give up on this guy because he hasn't solved the problems yet?

So if not JD, who you got?
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If corruption and fraud have emerged as your top issues, this administration must be giving you nightmares and that is why people have given up on him.

Remember he was the one that tweeted this -

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If corruption and fraud have emerged as your top issues, this administration must be giving you nightmares and that is why people have given up on him.

Remember he was the one that tweeted this -




Just think

From that to standing next to the president who says why are we still talking about this old dead guy and if you you're a moron

With the guy standing beside the president (Lutnick) who just so happened to own a house in NY right next to JE since 1999!
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With the guy standing beside the president (Lutnick) who just so happened to own a house in NY right next to JE since 1999!

Who had no recurring relationship with Epstein, did not even move into the place until years later, and who one time happened to have lunch, outside on the grounds with his wife and sons present, who has never not even once been accused of any improprieties with Epstein... that Lutnick?

Many, did you lose money with Cantor Fitzgerald? Or is there some other aspect of Lutnick's existence that you take issue with?

Who lived next to Epstein before Lutnick? Who owned the house on the other side of Epstein? Why not accuse them? Who were Epstein's neighbors in Palm Beach? Can you go ahead and accuse them as well?

Seems like a legit thing to accuse folks of crimes because they lived next door to someone, but you do you bro.
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flown-the-coop said:

AGHouston11 said:


With the guy standing beside the president (Lutnick) who just so happened to own a house in NY right next to JE since 1999!

Who had no recurring relationship with Epstein, did not even move into the place until years later, and who one time happened to have lunch, outside on the grounds with his wife and sons present, who has never not even once been accused of any improprieties with Epstein... that Lutnick?

Many, did you lose money with Cantor Fitzgerald? Or is there some other aspect of Lutnick's existence that you take issue with?

Who lived next to Epstein before Lutnick? Who owned the house on the other side of Epstein? Why not accuse them? Who were Epstein's neighbors in Palm Beach? Can you go ahead and accuse them as well?

Seems like a legit thing to accuse folks of crimes because they lived next door to someone, but you do you bro.

I like the way you framed him hopping on Jeffrey Epstein's yacht with his family as just "having lunch."

Do you often take your family on boats owned by people you have "no recurring relationship with"?
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You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.
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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

AGHouston11 said:


With the guy standing beside the president (Lutnick) who just so happened to own a house in NY right next to JE since 1999!

Who had no recurring relationship with Epstein, did not even move into the place until years later, and who one time happened to have lunch, outside on the grounds with his wife and sons present, who has never not even once been accused of any improprieties with Epstein... that Lutnick?

Many, did you lose money with Cantor Fitzgerald? Or is there some other aspect of Lutnick's existence that you take issue with?

Who lived next to Epstein before Lutnick? Who owned the house on the other side of Epstein? Why not accuse them? Who were Epstein's neighbors in Palm Beach? Can you go ahead and accuse them as well?

Seems like a legit thing to accuse folks of crimes because they lived next door to someone, but you do you bro.

I like the way you framed him hopping on Jeffrey Epstein's yacht with his family as just "having lunch."

Do you often take your family on boats owned by people you have "no recurring relationship with"?

He didn't hop on Epsteins yacht. My understand is that Epstein arranged for him to stop by after hearing Lutnick was in the area on Lutnicks yacht.

And yes, wealthy people tend to socialize with other wealthy people in such a manner. Particularly when you are otherwise neighbors.

Is there some suggestion that Lutnick ate the feet of children or helped Jeffrey chop up fetuses and bury them around the island before lunch was served?

If such a recurring close relationship full of nefarious activities as you and others are suggesting, let's see some evidence.
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EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?
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flown-the-coop said:

Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

AGHouston11 said:


With the guy standing beside the president (Lutnick) who just so happened to own a house in NY right next to JE since 1999!

Who had no recurring relationship with Epstein, did not even move into the place until years later, and who one time happened to have lunch, outside on the grounds with his wife and sons present, who has never not even once been accused of any improprieties with Epstein... that Lutnick?

Many, did you lose money with Cantor Fitzgerald? Or is there some other aspect of Lutnick's existence that you take issue with?

Who lived next to Epstein before Lutnick? Who owned the house on the other side of Epstein? Why not accuse them? Who were Epstein's neighbors in Palm Beach? Can you go ahead and accuse them as well?

Seems like a legit thing to accuse folks of crimes because they lived next door to someone, but you do you bro.

I like the way you framed him hopping on Jeffrey Epstein's yacht with his family as just "having lunch."

Do you often take your family on boats owned by people you have "no recurring relationship with"?

He didn't hop on Epsteins yacht. My understand is that Epstein arranged for him to stop by after hearing Lutnick was in the area on Lutnicks yacht.

And yes, wealthy people tend to socialize with other wealthy people in such a manner. Particularly when you are otherwise neighbors.

Is there some suggestion that Lutnick ate the feet of children or helped Jeffrey chop up fetuses and bury them around the island before lunch was served?

If such a recurring close relationship full of nefarious activities as you and others are suggesting, let's see some evidence.

Ah, I misremembered the story.

Lutnick stopped his yacht to take his family to lunch on Epstein's island.

Either way, an excursion from your private yacht to Epstein island seems a bit different than just "having lunch." It isn't like he just met the guy at Jimmy John's.

What do you mean "wealthy people tend to socialize with other wealthy people in such a manner"? Having a lot of money requires you to stop your yacht at islands owned by people you don't have "recurring relationships" with?
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Zachary Klement said:

Ah, I misremembered the story.

Lutnick stopped his yacht to take his family to lunch on Epstein's island.

Either way, an excursion from your private yacht to Epstein island seems a bit different than just "having lunch." It isn't like he just met the guy at Jimmy John's.

What do you mean "wealthy people tend to socialize with other wealthy people in such a manner"? Having a lot of money requires you to stop your yacht at islands owned by people you don't have "recurring relationships" with?

Yes, for UHNW folks its very much the equivalent of having lunch at Jimmy John's.

It is also known that Epstein was super aggressive in trying to meet guys with money, power, influence from the very earliest days of his teaching at the Bill Barr's Father Academy.

It was Epstein's MO from beginning to end and part of what made him a useful stooge for intelligence folks of all sorts, not just Mossad.

Its the reason Epstein would turn up at M-A-L. Its the reason so many wealthy folks had some interaction with them.

This is all well-known and quite well documented in this thread. Why folks come around every 30 days or so and act like this is some breaking news is... bizarre.
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flown-the-coop said:

EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?

Most people aren't dubious of Lutnick because he is buddies with Trump. I would say most could overlook the fact he hungout with Epstein. It is the fact he lied about it. He very clearly tried to mislead the public about his relationship with Epstein.

He initially said he was so disturbed by Epstein's house tour he severed the relationship in 2005.

Evidence went on to show they met in 2011.

Lutnick took his family to Epstein Island in 2012.

They maintained email communication until 2018 and discussed neighborhood disputes, mutual investments, and an Epstein donation to a charity dinner honoring Lutnick.

Maybe Lutnick only remembers 2005 and somehow blacked out and forgot 2011-2018. Seems more likely that he lied and thought he could get away with it.
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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?

Most people aren't dubious of Lutnick because he is buddies with Trump. I would say most could overlook the fact he hungout with Epstein. It is the fact he lied about it. He very clearly tried to mislead the public about his relationship with Epstein.

He initially said he was so disturbed by Epstein's house tour he severed the relationship in 2005.

Evidence went on to show they met in 2011.

Lutnick took his family to Epstein Island in 2012.

They maintained email communication until 2018 and discussed neighborhood disputes, mutual investments, and an Epstein donation to a charity dinner honoring Lutnick.

Maybe Lutnick only remembers 2005 and somehow blacked out and forgot 2011-2018. Seems more likely that he lied and thought he could get away with it.

Communicated to his neighbor about neighborhood disputes, investments and a charity dinner seems like very normal things for these guys. Do you have any concept as to what a person like Lutnick's social and business calendar looks like?

Again, waiting for you to indicate the nefariousness.

The "he lied" and holy heck the "misled the public" is not really holding any water.

Because do you also know what Epsteins list of connections, meetings and desired meetings. The charity dinner reeks of what I just explained - Epstein was always working an angle to get in with guys. Sometimes those guys oblige out of courtesy or continued annoyance.

Do you have ANYTHING that shows Lutnick engaged in bad behavior with Epstein? If not, its time to put it to rest.
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flown-the-coop said:

Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?

Most people aren't dubious of Lutnick because he is buddies with Trump. I would say most could overlook the fact he hungout with Epstein. It is the fact he lied about it. He very clearly tried to mislead the public about his relationship with Epstein.

He initially said he was so disturbed by Epstein's house tour he severed the relationship in 2005.

Evidence went on to show they met in 2011.

Lutnick took his family to Epstein Island in 2012.

They maintained email communication until 2018 and discussed neighborhood disputes, mutual investments, and an Epstein donation to a charity dinner honoring Lutnick.

Maybe Lutnick only remembers 2005 and somehow blacked out and forgot 2011-2018. Seems more likely that he lied and thought he could get away with it.

Communicated to his neighbor about neighborhood disputes, investments and a charity dinner seems like very normal things for these guys. Do you have any concept as to what a person like Lutnick's social and business calendar looks like?

Again, waiting for you to indicate the nefariousness.

The "he lied" and holy heck the "misled the public" is not really holding any water.

Because do you also know what Epsteins list of connections, meetings and desired meetings. The charity dinner reeks of what I just explained - Epstein was always working an angle to get in with guys. Sometimes those guys oblige out of courtesy or continued annoyance.

Do you have ANYTHING that shows Lutnick engaged in bad behavior with Epstein? If not, its time to put it to rest.

I don't know if Lutnick did anything or not. If he did, we will never know about it.

Definitely normal things! I agree. What does not seem normal is to just forget you communicated with the guy for close to 15 years.

It seems more likely that he lied than he just forgot that they communicated over the course of that timeframe, but maybe he completely forgot the guy existed! Hopefully his memory serves him better in his role as Secretary of Commerce!

I understand Epstein tried to latch onto anyone with power and influence that he could. I am sure that is what he tried to do with Lutnick.

I tend to be more skeptical than trusting of people in government, so the fact he seemingly lied about his interactions with Epstein rubs me the wrong way. If he recalled being so appalled by Epstein's house tour in 2005 he felt the need to severe the relationship, he would recall at least some of the interactions he had with someone he found to be so detestable after the fact.
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Guilt by association is not guilty.


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Guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone discredits an argument by linking it to a person or group that is viewed negatively, rather than addressing the argument itself. This fallacy assumes that if two entities are associated, they share the same negative qualities, which is not necessarily true.

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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?

Most people aren't dubious of Lutnick because he is buddies with Trump. I would say most could overlook the fact he hungout with Epstein. It is the fact he lied about it. He very clearly tried to mislead the public about his relationship with Epstein.

He initially said he was so disturbed by Epstein's house tour he severed the relationship in 2005.

Evidence went on to show they met in 2011.

Lutnick took his family to Epstein Island in 2012.

They maintained email communication until 2018 and discussed neighborhood disputes, mutual investments, and an Epstein donation to a charity dinner honoring Lutnick.

Maybe Lutnick only remembers 2005 and somehow blacked out and forgot 2011-2018. Seems more likely that he lied and thought he could get away with it.


So disturbing that he severed relations to his next door neighbor JE in 2005. Then JE was convicted in 2009. Yet this same guy who he was so disgusted by who is now ALSO convicted he just happens to meet up with him in 2012!

Yes totally believable and totally believable he just forgot this later. This is the guy in the current administration along side the president who promised to end the swamp.

The only reason he is currently not his next door neighbor still is because JE "killed" himself in 2019.

And this is the same JE who our current VP just said had the highest levels of connections to intelligence. Which we have also been told is the reason he got the easy treatment in 2009.
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An ecosystem of abuse. How Epstein recruited and controlled his victims.

"The "most shameful" part of her time with Epstein was having to recruit other women, Anya says, her eyes welling up with tears.
Each assistant had to bring in at least one other assistant, she says, and Epstein told them to recruit young women like her.
"It's one or 10, like, you're already complicit."
Anya says she wanted to speak out now to help people understand how women became trapped by Epstein and to explain how his operation had trafficked adults like her as well as children."

BBC: GROOMING
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Zachary Klement said:

flown-the-coop said:

EFR said:

You left out the part where Lutnick lied about ever associating with Epstein until hard evidence was rubbed in his face. I understand that this administration places little to no emphasis on honesty but it is still a bad look.

Lied or simply did not remember a random lunch from years ago? Or maybe he thought there was no record of it so he lied so as to not listen to the nonsense like the posts above about a random lunch being tied to elite pedophile Mossad operation.

You guys dismiss the actual victims with this nonsense on Lutnick. Put up some evidence or cut the lazy retreads about who Epstein had has neighbors.

What about his other neighbors? Are they above suspicion? Or is it because they don't know Trump?

Most people aren't dubious of Lutnick because he is buddies with Trump. I would say most could overlook the fact he hungout with Epstein. It is the fact he lied about it. He very clearly tried to mislead the public about his relationship with Epstein.

He initially said he was so disturbed by Epstein's house tour he severed the relationship in 2005.

Evidence went on to show they met in 2011.

Lutnick took his family to Epstein Island in 2012.

They maintained email communication until 2018 and discussed neighborhood disputes, mutual investments, and an Epstein donation to a charity dinner honoring Lutnick.

Maybe Lutnick only remembers 2005 and somehow blacked out and forgot 2011-2018. Seems more likely that he lied and thought he could get away with it.

But he did get away with it. At the right hand of the President during a important news conference about Iran war. Courtside at the NBA championship game. Luxury boxes during the world cup. He did get away with it. We are not supposed to notice Lutnick links to Israel that he wasn't punished for Epstein he was rewarded. If you do notice it's anti sematic.
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Lutnick, born into a Jewish family and who married a gal from a prominent Jewish family and had their marriage officiated by an orthodox Jewish religious leader… has ties to Israel. Interesting.

Since the thread is obsessed with Lutnick and his "ties" to Epstein, do you know anything about him. Like how his mother died when he was in HS from lymphoma called closely by his dad who received an OD of chemo whilst undergoing treatment from colon cancer? How he went to Haverford on a full ride that he he then repaid once he had means? That he went to work at Cantor Fitzgerald and was taken under the wing of the namesake and working his way up?

That he was one of the only survivors of the firm because he happened to have taken off that morning to escort his son to his first day of kindergarten?

Widely criticized for cutting off paychecks following 9/11, he kept the firm going and ultimately put $100s of millions in a fund for those families.

Most of his work / ties to Israel is in regards to philanthropy, particularly some notable efforts following the October 7th attacks.

At no point and by no one is he accused of anything more nefarious than meeting Epstein several times over 15 years and living next door to the dude.

His financial ties to Israel are limited to philanthropy.
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BTW - Below is the Grok summary of whether Lutnick was a big ol mean dirty liar regarding his encounters with Epstein…

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In short, Lutnick's initial public narrative was inaccurate/misleading on the duration and nature of contact, which he walked back under evidence and questioning. Whether this rises to deliberate "lying" (vs. exaggeration, poor recollection, or spin) is partisanDemocrats say yes; supporters and some Republicans say it was corrected without material harm. No independent finding of perjury has resulted.
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flown-the-coop said:

BTW - Below is the Grok summary of whether Lutnick was a big ol mean dirty liar regarding his encounters with Epstein…

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In short, Lutnick's initial public narrative was inaccurate/misleading on the duration and nature of contact, which he walked back under evidence and questioning. Whether this rises to deliberate "lying" (vs. exaggeration, poor recollection, or spin) is partisanDemocrats say yes; supporters and some Republicans say it was corrected without material harm. No independent finding of perjury has resulted.



Well you left off the actual question you asked to get there.

But if this is your litmus test of whether a person should be discussed further. Go ahead and do these too: Crenshaw, Pelosi, Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc. If they have committed no crimes according to Gronk add them to YOUR list also of people not to discuss further.
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Your nonsensical rant is a bit off target. Below is what was asked. I also said I asked if he lied.


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What further would you like to discuss on Lutnick? You want him to be investigated for living next door to someone? Or for having tea and crumpets on the beach?

Are we to investigate him on his role in 09/11 inside attacks by Mossad?

Maybe for his bribery of Israel disguised as philanthropic donations.

Just let us know what we need to discuss further on Lutnick.
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AGHouston11 said:

flown-the-coop said:

BTW - Below is the Grok summary of whether Lutnick was a big ol mean dirty liar regarding his encounters with Epstein…

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In short, Lutnick's initial public narrative was inaccurate/misleading on the duration and nature of contact, which he walked back under evidence and questioning. Whether this rises to deliberate "lying" (vs. exaggeration, poor recollection, or spin) is partisanDemocrats say yes; supporters and some Republicans say it was corrected without material harm. No independent finding of perjury has resulted.




Well you left off the actual question you asked to get there.

But if this is your litmus test of whether a person should be discussed further. Go ahead and do these too: Crenshaw, Pelosi, Hillary, Obama, Biden, etc. If they have committed no crimes according to Gronk add them to YOUR list also of people not to discuss further.

Again. You should give it a rest. And I will repeat myself.

Guilt by association is not guilty.
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