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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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I cannot explain it. I am stating that he has not been SHOWN to have gone to Epstein Island, but I suspect to your point and others there is simply too much smoke.

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Clinton getting a shoulder massage from Guthrie at an FBO is pretty suggestive though. Has he ever provided an explanation for such?

Remember Andrew's downfall started with a picture and kept building from there.

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And I was mistaken, it wasn't Giuffre but another victim Chauntae Davies… 22 at the time of this photo. Makes sense as the memo from the victims made reference to 22-yo.

New photos just came out with Epstein trafficking victim with Bill Clinton tonight's speaker at the DNC.

"Bill Clinton leans back and smiles while receiving neck massage from Epstein victim" pic.twitter.com/qETzGvs9pQ

— Luke Rudkowski (@Lukewearechange) August 18, 2020

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Getting a neck massage from a woman clearly over the age of 18 while both are fully clothed...WOW, that's some damning stuff right there! This is pitiful.

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Most of the names that have circulated just flew on the jet with no evidence to date they went to the the island, to the palm beach pimp pad or to the NY townhome.

So again, lots of rumor and innuendo and little understanding by the masses about flight logs and relationships.

Many people take the initials of someone being listed on the flight logs (regardless of dates, destinations) and those who took a picture with him at large parties as proof of guilt of sex trafficking and pedophilia.

So the comparison is apt in my opinion.

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How do you explain Bill Clinton on the flight log 26 times? Too much smoke for me....

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I cannot explain it. I am stating that he has not been SHOWN to have gone to Epstein Island, but I suspect to your point and others there is simply too much smoke.

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Clinton getting a shoulder massage from Guthrie at an FBO is pretty suggestive though. Has he ever provided an explanation for such?

Remember Andrew's downfall started with a picture and kept building from there.

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And I was mistaken, it wasn't Giuffre but another victim Chauntae Davies… 22 at the time of this photo. Makes sense as the memo from the victims made reference to 22-yo.

New photos just came out with Epstein trafficking victim with Bill Clinton tonight's speaker at the DNC.

"Bill Clinton leans back and smiles while receiving neck massage from Epstein victim" pic.twitter.com/qETzGvs9pQ

— Luke Rudkowski (@Lukewearechange) August 18, 2020

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Getting a neck massage from a woman clearly over the age of 18 while both are fully clothed...WOW, that's some damning stuff right there! This is pitiful.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Getting a neck massage from a woman clearly over the age of 18 while both are fully clothed...WOW, that's some damning stuff right there! This is pitiful.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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I can't speak for Dems and please don't insult me as one. But this "evidence" doesn't prove anything. A lot of these women were prostitutes and the woman in the picture is well over 18. That X post is nothing but innuendo...and it's not even with underage girls. Big fail.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

Everything about this is anti-Semitic.

Agree. It was not my intention to convict Clinton over a neck message. But as with Andrew, it is highly suggestive of nefarious behavior given all the other context. Certainly something he should be put under oath and answer for, but will likely never happen.

If it got around where he was "forced" to, he would develop dementia real fast.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

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You've said this before, which Dems have been implicated recently? I don't think any new names have been released recently outside (former) Prince Andrew and Summers but hopefully they will be soon with the rest of the files.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

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You've said this before, which Dems have been implicated recently? I don't think any new names have been released recently outside former Prince Andrew and Summers but hopefully they will be soon with the rest of the files.

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We've already had this convo. Now Katie Couric. More on Bill Clinton. It keeps going.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

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You've said this before, which Dems have been implicated recently? I don't think any new names have been released recently outside former Prince Andrew and Summers but hopefully they will be soon with the rest of the files.

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We've already had this convo. Now Katie Couric. More on Bill Clinton. It keeps going.

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Ah got it, the Couric thing has been out for a couple years (she talked about it in her book) so that's why I was confused. Certainly should have been scrutinized more along with every other celeb or politician who associated with him. Either way hopefully Trump gets everything out there soon.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

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You've said this before, which Dems have been implicated recently? I don't think any new names have been released recently outside former Prince Andrew and Summers but hopefully they will be soon with the rest of the files.

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We've already had this convo. Now Katie Couric. More on Bill Clinton. It keeps going.

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Ah got it, the Couric thing has been out for a couple years (she talked about it in her book) so that's why I was confused. Certainly should have been scrutinized more along with every other celeb or politician who associated with him. Either way hopefully Trump gets everything out there soon.

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But that's just it. 50,000 new pages and more salacious details about Dems. And Trump is still President. Still don't got im.

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Young women being 'trafficked' or at least being taken advantage of - and treated as sex objects by rich and powerful men...This stuff used to outrage Dems.

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Although my outrage meter has long been pegged over Epstein, the point is the SOP for which Ghislaine was convicted. How girls were paid for "massages" and then....trafficked to others.

So the age of that woman giving Clinton a neck massage is kind of irrelevant if she was recruited as a minor and trafficked to others thereafter.

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and so the whole thing is gradually memory holed since more Dems are implicated with each new revelation.

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You've said this before, which Dems have been implicated recently? I don't think any new names have been released recently outside former Prince Andrew and Summers but hopefully they will be soon with the rest of the files.

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We've already had this convo. Now Katie Couric. More on Bill Clinton. It keeps going.

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Ah got it, the Couric thing has been out for a couple years (she talked about it in her book) so that's why I was confused. Certainly should have been scrutinized more along with every other celeb or politician who associated with him. Either way hopefully Trump gets everything out there soon.

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But that's just it. 50,000 new pages and more salacious details about Dems. And Trump is still President. Still don't got im.

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Cool. I don't really care what political party they belong to. If they were involved they should be outed. Back to the point of thread - hopefully that's finally about to happen.

Troubling deflection by @FBIDirectorKash when asked if he will follow Epstein Files Transparency LAW passed by Congress and signed by the President.

Example of documents in his possession that must be released: FD-302 forms summarizing interviews (w/ only victim names redacted). https://t.co/gA4cYmVjy0

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) November 26, 2025

"One of Kash Patel’s staff threatened one of my staff with a criminal investigation if we didn’t straighten up and play ball."

- Thomas Massie
pic.twitter.com/iR2sboANJh

— Kacee Allen (@KaceeRAllen) November 26, 2025

Massie is just so principled. He is just in it for the victims when he makes vague, wild accusations against the FBI director. He can name names and provide evidence of the threat or he can kindly shut the **** up.

What an imbecile, confirming to the world what some of us already knew. He is a narcissist rat clinging to last bits of irrelevancy.

Like McCain he fashions himself to be a Mr. Smith.

I wish Massie would put this much effort into something constructive that is going to actually benefit the American people. Our Congress is clinically ******ed.

His "man"nerisms in the video above are a bit weird, unnatural, and slightly feminine.

I am starting to think he is nothing more than a Soros funded plant inserted into the Republican Party to antagonize and sow discourse against Trump.

Probably should get a look from the FBI at this point.

I think going after elite-level pedophiles -- from both parties -- that reportedly were involved in trafficking 1000+ girls/women benefits the American people, does it not?

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His "man"nerisms in the video above are a bit weird, unnatural, and slightly feminine.

I am starting to think he is nothing more than a Soros funded plant inserted into the Republican Party to antagonize and sow discourse against Trump.

Probably should get a look from the FBI at this point.

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https://www.followthemoney.org/entity-details?eid=9195688&default=candidate

Here you go, find the plant

If that is what this is, then yes.

But it's not.

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I wish Massie would put this much effort into something constructive that is going to actually benefit the American people. Our Congress is clinically ******ed.

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What would you like him to focus on instead?

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I think going after elite-level pedophiles -- from both parties -- that reportedly were involved in trafficking 1000+ girls/women benefits the American people, does it not?

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The Massie should be doing that. Not bloviating about vague, unconfirmed, patently unsubstantiated accusations against the FBI.

I imagine there is some pedophilia and sex trafficking in his home district in Kentucky, right? He represents the Cincinnati area counties in Kentucky, and surely none of this spills over. Why is he not stomping it out in his home district? Makes you wonder…

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cincinnati/news/fbi-cincinnati-announces-arrests-as-part-of-nationwide-operation-restore-justice

His actions are all the evidence I need. Plus, see Bob Melendez on how money flows to candidates outside of federally mandated campaign reporting.

I'm not sure why you framed your response the way you did, or what the cute picture has to do with any of this, but some things I would like him to focus on instead of made up goose chases are:

Economy
Expelling illegals
Government spending
Entitlement waste, fraud and abuse
Lowering taxes

Stuff that matters.

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I think going after elite-level pedophiles -- from both parties -- that reportedly were involved in trafficking 1000+ girls/women benefits the American people, does it not?

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The Massie should be doing that. Not bloviating about vague, unconfirmed, patently unsubstantiated accusations against the FBI.

I imagine there is some pedophilia and sex trafficking in his home district in Kentucky, right? He represents the Cincinnati area counties in Kentucky, and surely none of this spills over. Why is he not stomping it out in his home district? Makes you wonder…

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cincinnati/news/fbi-cincinnati-announces-arrests-as-part-of-nationwide-operation-restore-justice

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You're asking why a sitting us congressman is not doing the FBI's job for them?

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I think going after elite-level pedophiles -- from both parties -- that reportedly were involved in trafficking 1000+ girls/women benefits the American people, does it not?

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The Massie should be doing that. Not bloviating about vague, unconfirmed, patently unsubstantiated accusations against the FBI.

I imagine there is some pedophilia and sex trafficking in his home district in Kentucky, right? He represents the Cincinnati area counties in Kentucky, and surely none of this spills over. Why is he not stomping it out in his home district? Makes you wonder…

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cincinnati/news/fbi-cincinnati-announces-arrests-as-part-of-nationwide-operation-restore-justice

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You're asking why a sitting us congressman is not doing the FBI's job for them?

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He only seems to want to do their job when it involves Epstein, clicks and interviews. Thanks for making my point.

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I'm not sure why you framed your response the way you did, or what the cute picture has to do with any of this, but some things I would like him to focus on instead of made up goose chases are:

Economy
Expelling illegals
Government spending
Entitlement waste, fraud and abuse
Lowering taxes

Stuff that matters.

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Government spending huh? Like when he went against the Big Beautiful Bill a couple months ago? He's also working on the J6 pipe bomb hoax exposure and the PRIME act. The above clip was from an interview regarding that J6 bomb hoax. Which of these do you disagree with and why?

The shutdown was ended by a CR to spend the same exact amount of money on the same things we did when Biden was President,

➕millions of dollars for 8 senators who were spied on but refuse to fix surveillance laws for you

➕a hemp ban

➕$100+ billion from the BBB

I voted No.

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) November 24, 2025

Thank you @RepJoeCourtney for cosponsoring the PRIME Act, HR 4700.

This bipartisan bill will empower American farmers and American-owned processors to provide wholesome beef, pork, and lamb to local consumers.

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) November 20, 2025

I just introduced HR 5302, the No Funds for Foreign Abortions Act. The bill prevents federal funds from going to foreign governments that subsidize or promote abortions.

Foreign countries that spend money to kill unborn children should not receive our tax dollars. pic.twitter.com/LHuWUOdEfR

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 11, 2025

Inside Job? Thomas Massie Exposes the Truth about the J6 Pipe Bombs

After 5 years, the Jan 6 narrative is crumbling. @SteveBakerUSA & @RepThomasMassie talk about the mounting evidence that a small number of Capitol Police officers may have been involved in the planting of two… pic.twitter.com/ZwkpQHsutp

— Free the People (@freethepeople) November 24, 2025

The image shows an interesting silence from the MAGA crowd on losers like Cornyn and Graham but endless whining about much more conservative politicians.

Haven't trusted Massie's motives here since the beginning, but was willing to give it some time to see if he could change my mind.

Completely support the pressure for transparency. What is still unclear is why now? where was this focus 5/10 years ago? why is this the main topic/issue and not as much on waste/fraud/weaponization/borders?

Something doesn't seem right about this guy, but can't put a finger on it yet.

ETA: Paul's post found some positives that make me feel better about him. Doesn't answer everything but at least he is pushing more than just this media focused topic

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I think going after elite-level pedophiles -- from both parties -- that reportedly were involved in trafficking 1000+ girls/women benefits the American people, does it not?

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The Massie should be doing that. Not bloviating about vague, unconfirmed, patently unsubstantiated accusations against the FBI.

I imagine there is some pedophilia and sex trafficking in his home district in Kentucky, right? He represents the Cincinnati area counties in Kentucky, and surely none of this spills over. Why is he not stomping it out in his home district? Makes you wonder…

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/cincinnati/news/fbi-cincinnati-announces-arrests-as-part-of-nationwide-operation-restore-justice

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You're asking why a sitting us congressman is not doing the FBI's job for them?

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He only seems to want to do their job when it involves Epstein, clicks and interviews. Thanks for making my point.

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Well in this case it looks like the FBI agents were actually doing their job and arrests were made, so I'm not sure what else you'd like him to do.

With Epstein, the FBI & Trump admin have been attempting to block the release of thousands of remaining files and get everyone to move on for some reason. So as a congressman, it's within his job description to use the legislative process to attempt to force that release and see if we can learn more about who else was involved and hold them accountable.

Its better not to trust any politician, including the ones wearing red ties instead of blue ties. Generally Massie is better on most issues than most. The difference here is he went against DJT when DJT has fumbled this issue for almost a year now, so now we're supposed to dislike him instead of criticizing DJT.

You've got to be kidding me. This board, UNIFORMLY loathes both Cornyn and Graham. Are you new here?

And the stuff he has voted for is great, but my post emphasized that I wish he would ENTIRELY focus on the stuff that matters instead of the Epstein nonsense.

My initial point remains.

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You've got to be kidding me. This board, UNIFORMLY loathes both Cornyn and Graham. Are you new here?

And the stuff he has voted for is great, but my post emphasized that I wish he would ENTIRELY focus on the stuff that matters instead of the Epstein nonsense.

My initial point remains.

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So to clarify, you want everything released but also the Epstein issue does not matter?

https://www.statista.com/chart/35463/net-approval-of-trumps-handling-of-various-issues/

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You've got to be kidding me. This board, UNIFORMLY loathes both Cornyn and Graham. Are you new here?

And the stuff he has voted for is great, but my post emphasized that I wish he would ENTIRELY focus on the stuff that matters instead of the Epstein nonsense.

My initial point remains.

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So to clarify, you want everything released but also the Epstein issue does not matter?

https://www.statista.com/chart/35463/net-approval-of-trumps-handling-of-various-issues/

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I don't know why you keep putting words in my mouth, but your two points are not mutually exclusive.

Yes, I want all of the files to be released so that this ridiculous charade can finally end.

But no, in the grand scheme of things, the Epstein files do not matter because they contain nothing of substance.