setsmachine said:

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So do you believe the original claim of the Justice Dept that there is no list of clients that need to be prosecuted?

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I do not believe there was ever a "client list". At best it was a euphemism to describe a convoluted stack of files that no one ever bothered to make sense of when it mattered, when it was timely.

And there is a repository sitting on Bryan, TX who could write everything down at any moment. Why the Biden DOJ refused to speak with her is beyond me. When Blanche went to at least hear her out, the media castigated it as a Trump coverup and evidently her information was either inconsistent or her demands were too high. Would be nice to brain dump her of anyone was interested in what happened, with who, where and when.

Regarding the rest, you can get my opinions on this topic on this thread. If you have not bothered to read the thread beginning to end, then I have nothing further to provide until you do.

Just to de-rail this thread.

I have noticed that the Democrats are employing the phrase Epstein-like against Republicans, while ignoring the fact that the Democrats were actually Epstein-ites.

Some are accepting a loss in the midterms and pivoting to Trump is an epsteiner and rapist of Swedish meatballs in the 1990s.

But remember, they only care about justice for the victims…

doubledog said:

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Just to de-rail this thread.

I have noticed that the Democrats are employing the phrase Epstein-like against Republicans, while ignoring the fact that the Democrats were actually Epstein-ites.

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and i have noticed that Republicans are still trying to use it where convenient ie the Senate race, while ignoring all of the Republican ties.

Unfortunately were never going to get any answers because folks would rather try and score political points rather than actually demand answers from those in charge.

AgDev01 said:

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doubledog said:

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Just to de-rail this thread.

I have noticed that the Democrats are employing the phrase Epstein-like against Republicans, while ignoring the fact that the Democrats were actually Epstein-ites.

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and i have noticed that Republicans are still trying to use it where convenient ie the Senate race, while ignoring all of the Republican ties.

Unfortunately were never going to get any answers because folks would rather try and score political points rather than actually demand answers from those in charge.

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Yes you did.

Others such as I point to the actual circumstances of how long it has been since the alleged crimes occurred, the incredibly amount of misinformation that continues to persist regarding Epstein, and the fantastification of it all because Epstein had some ties to Trump at some point in the billionaire circles of NYC.

Justice for the victims is largely immaterial to me. Obviously they should get justice but the most important issue is the fact (or perception) that we no longer have equal enforcement of the law.

Queso1 said:

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Justice for the victims is largely immaterial to me. Obviously they should get justice but the most important issue is the fact (or perception) that we no longer have equal enforcement of the law.

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Epstein is dead. Ghislaine is in jail.

You are not putting Prince Andrew behind bars. Like it or not, its not happening.

Others with any sort of solid link have been for the most part sent into the woods.

So if justice for the victims is "immaterial" to you, what does "equal enforcement of the law" mean?

Despite modern lip service to the contrary, the state does not enforce the law for the victims. The state enforces the law for the citizens.

Equal enforcement of the law means that you don't get a pass because you are a prince or an industry mogul. But, you knew that.

Queso1 said:

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Despite modern lip service to the contrary, the state does not enforce the law for the victims. The state enforces the law for the citizens.

Equal enforcement of the law means that you don't get a pass because you are a prince or an industry mogul. But, you knew that.

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I do know the second sentence, though you have to factor in reality, which I did.

So law enforcement is for citizens only? I am okay with that, should make the job of ICE much easier. Non-citizens should NOT have any rights under our Constitution. Its a pure misreading of the text.

But here the victims are also citizens for the most part so your first sentence seems to miss the mark. Doubly so since several of the accused are non-citizens.

You have an appetite for a conspiracy theory. That's fine, just admit it you are in it for the popcorn and go with that. Life is better when you are honest.

I disagree somewhat on the non-citizen right to due process. If you enter the country illegally, you should forfeit those rights and be summarily ejected to your nation of origin. However, people here legally should be entitled to due process.

As for the conspiracy minded stuff, I was a huge acceptor of things prior to Covid/2020/2021. I don't couch it so much as conspiracy - I just don't believe a damned thing the US government says - and that doesn't change because "my guy" got elected.

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Dimond1968 said:

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Likely why Trump flipped. Seems that was the start right there.

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Also Trump is mentioned more in the Epstein files than Jesus is in the Bible. So there's that too.

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You may want to be a bit more discerning than just "i dont believe anything the government says". Sometimes, there is no alternative and sometimes they are actually being "honest" about where things are.

I can accept with Epstein that absent some actual new information or Ghislaine flipping, there is simply nothing in the Epstein files that rises to their being a winnable prosecution.

Like it not, prosecutors only go if there is an overwhelming chance for a win. Given the bankrolls of the defendants, age of the crimes, and lack of hard evidence, things are what they are.

For conspiracies, as said time and again at best Epstein may have served as a useful idiot even as a bit of a honeypot, but if you understand even a bit about the espionage game its a wide wide wide net of assets. So connections mean little.

Queso1 said:

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It's odd that the notion of disbelief was considered completely rational under Biden; however, we are supposed to suspend that during Trump. The government didn't change..just the figurehead.

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It changed but changed for the worse. It was expected that Dems and many Republicans don't think there should be equal government - that's the swamp!

The worse part is the person who promised and had opportunities to change that has now embraced it.

Queso1 said:

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It's odd that the notion of disbelief was considered completely rational under Biden; however, we are supposed to suspend that during Trump. The government didn't change..just the figurehead.

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Said no one recently on this thread.

AGHouston11 said:

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Queso1 said:

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It's odd that the notion of disbelief was considered completely rational under Biden; however, we are supposed to suspend that during Trump. The government didn't change..just the figurehead.

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It changed but changed for the worse. It was expected that Dems and many Republicans don't think there should be equal government - that's the swamp!

The worse part is the person who promised and had opportunities to change that has now embraced it.

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How many files released under Trump v Biden?

Ok, thanks. So one delivered and one covered up. Glad to get that out of the way (again).

Queso1 said:

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It's odd that the notion of disbelief was considered completely rational under Biden; however, we are supposed to suspend that during Trump. The government didn't change..just the figurehead.

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Yea but trump is a follower of Christ and biden is a demon

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74OA said:

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Here we go again. It'll be interesting to see if it makes it to trial this time.

"President Donald Trump on Wednesday refiled a defamation lawsuit seeking at least $10 billion in damages against the Wall Street Journal over its reporting on his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, after a judge threw out an earlier version over legal deficiencies."

BIRTHDAY CARD

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Want me to spoil the ending?

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JUST IN: A federal judge has thrown out President Trump's lawsuit against the Wall Street Journal over its story about the Jeffrey Epstein birthday letter.https://t.co/Nm4spHqYeY pic.twitter.com/kOn8A3D17Y

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) October 31, 2026

Interesting: "dismissed with prejudice".

Queso1 said:

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Not gonna say I told you so, but I ****ing told you so.

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It wasn't the main factor by any means BUT the day Trump interrupted the question directed at Bondi and called anymore still interested in the old dead guy a moron and if you are then he doesn't want your support.

Then launched his own campaign to smear the podcasters, elected representatives, and media who didn't listen to him.

This was the beginning of his unraveling!

The beginning of the reversal of what he campaigned on. The beginning of attacks on his own base.

Ervin Burrell said:

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Damn, DeSantis has TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 /ftc

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Who could have seen this coming? Turns out *****ing and moaning at the idea of releasing all the info about a pedophile ring isnt good when trying to get elected

Ervin Burrell said:

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Damn, DeSantis has TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 /ftc

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And hates America.

Ervin Burrell said:

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Damn, DeSantis has TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 /ftc

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DeSantis has long had TDS. Why he is out today commenting on Epstein files beyond me. As governor of the state where many of the crimes allegedly took place, he probably could be doing more himself in the pursuit of justice.

Instead it seems he is making his 2028 campaign announcement. Good for him.

Now if you are thinking the Epstein files had anything to do with last night, there are two options. Either the average voter is ignorant to the degree this is indeed an issue or their are people ignorant enough to believe this is indeed an issue.

Those are the options. Whether you say that's TDS or not, that's up to you.

AgATZX271 said:

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Ervin Burrell said:

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Damn, DeSantis has TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 /ftc

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And hates America.

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DeSantis may dislike Trump, but I do t think he hates America.

I think those who vote blue hate America. That's true.

PaulsBunions said:

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Florida Governor Ron DeSantis:

They voted against releasing the Epstein files. And I’m like, that’s a bad vote.

We ran as Republicans saying we need to do that, and then you actually have people in Congress voting against releasing them. pic.twitter.com/RCynBvjZUG

— Clash Report (@clashreport) November 4, 2026

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Congress delayed the AZ elected member swearing in to put off the vote. Once that finally happened and it was inevitable Trump then called the individual house members in to the WH to try to persuade them not to vote for the release but failed to persuade one of them.

It was only then he went along with what was going to pass anyway,

Fired Bondi and put his personal attorney in as AG who said there is nothing further to happen as they further delay and stonewall.

Trump chose to protect the swamp and trash his own base over this issue.

Bongino and Patel look like idiots over it.

It's so ridiculous it turned out this way but it was his choice.

flown-the-coop said:

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Ervin Burrell said:

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Damn, DeSantis has TDS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111 /ftc

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DeSantis has long had TDS. Why he is out today commenting on Epstein files beyond me. As governor of the state where many of the crimes allegedly took place, he probably could be doing more himself in the pursuit of justice.

Instead it seems he is making his 2028 campaign announcement. Good for him.

Now if you are thinking the Epstein files had anything to do with last night, there are two options. Either the average voter is ignorant to the degree this is indeed an issue or their are people ignorant enough to believe this is indeed an issue.

Those are the options. Whether you say that's TDS or not, that's up to you.

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Well he is from the state that didn't take a beating like the others but called it days ago that GOP turnout was low in the state.
Yesterday he spoke about gas prices and today this issue and the Iran war.

Maybe he knows some issues that factored into the bloodbath yesterday!

Also maybe he learned something from Trump who missed no opportunity to kick DeSantis when he was down. Now is the time to kick Trump.

AgDev01 said:

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AGHouston11 said:

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Fired Bondi and put his personal attorney in as AG who said there is nothing further to happen as they further delay and stonewall.

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The same guy who moved Maxwell to Club Fed immediately after his interview with her, nothing suspicious there.

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And when questioned on that I believe Bondi said she had no idea why it was the prison system that did that!

That was about the same time Trump was floating out "some say she should be pardoned"

It still would not be a surprise if he did that on the way out. Why would he even have said that!

You know who is not going to release any of the Epstein files? The new Democratic Congress. That rallying point will float away like a fart in the wind.