rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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So you sold your privacy for $30/month??

We can't really complain about our lack of privacy when we willingly give it up.

Yep, they could just buy all of that data from Google and Apple. It would probably be cheaper.

redcrayon said:

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CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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So you sold your privacy for $30/month??

We can't really complain about our lack of privacy when we willingly give it up.

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You don't think I am aware of what I did? I'm sorry my family is not a fountain of cash gushing out everywhere like yours.

Just because I did it does not mean I have to like it.

CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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I'm fortunate I guess to be in a position where I can walk away over $360 - especially from a company who already had a massive data breach last year.

Have you checked for employer discounts? Looked at switching services? Every person that agrees to stupid anti-consumer policies like that is contributing to the problem.

If none of that is an option, did you consider opening a second checking account and just having the Verizon payment transferred over automatically each month? I do that for some crappy services.

CDUB98 said:

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redcrayon said:

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CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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So you sold your privacy for $30/month??

We can't really complain about our lack of privacy when we willingly give it up.

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You don't think I am aware of what I did? I'm sorry my family is not a fountain of cash gushing out everywhere like yours.

Just because I did it does not mean I have to like it.

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Hey, we all have our price. I'm just saying that we can't complain about losing our privacy when we're the ones selling it, whether for savings on our phone bill or the convenience of an app.

txyaloo said:

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CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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I'm fortunate I guess to be in a position where I can walk away over $360 - especially from a company who already had a massive data breach last year.

Have you checked for employer discounts? Looked at switching services? Every person that agrees to stupid anti-consumer policies like that is contributing to the problem.

If none of that is an option, did you consider opening a second checking account and just having the Verizon payment transferred over automatically each month? I do that for some crappy services.

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Just a note about the reality of data collection, opt-ins / opt-outs, privacy notices, 'anonymous' data gathering and all the above... it is impossible to keep this information from being gathered and sold.

I am sure there are some around here that have worked at higher levels of marketing and customer acquisition, but the capabilities these days regarding data collection and mining exceeds all wild expectations.

If I want to target TexAg users who post on F16, shop at HEB, drive a Tesla, vote Biden but are a registered republican, who buys Fruit Loops on Tuesdays and baby oil on Saturdays, then I can but a list of those addresses and create a targeted mailer.

If you are posting on any website you have well crossed the Rubicon on giving up your data. Giving Verizon quick access to certain data is already down the list.

You would have to unplug, drive an on VW, shun all technology, not go anywhere or talk to anyone, grow your own food, and such and you may have a fighting chance at remaining "anonymous". Else, there are giant companies that pull every bit of data out there and mine the heck out of it and cross reference supposedly anonymous data gathering in order to target those individuals.

Depends on the info gathered I suppose.

You lost me at the Atlantic, New York Times, CNN, mainstream media, etc., etc. etc.

CDUB98 said:

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redcrayon said:

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CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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So you sold your privacy for $30/month??

We can't really complain about our lack of privacy when we willingly give it up.

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You don't think I am aware of what I did? I'm sorry my family is not a fountain of cash gushing out everywhere like yours.

Just because I did it does not mean I have to like it.

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Not only that, but Verizon has many employees who do this **** as a job all day every day. We all have lives and many of us dont have time to read 10 pages of small print just get our kids a damn phone. I don't like it, but I have given up the ghost as well.

Tolkien's Palantir stones were used for evil.

Naming a data aggregating company after them suggests they either missed the point, or they know exactly what the point was. Neither one is good.

Did the NYT take this announcement from last week and further news today it could be expanded to Freddie Mac to fear monger Americans?

The announcement is about using AI to combat mortgage fraud. So what should be lauded as rooting out more waste, fraud and abuse is repackaged over the weekend into "Trump's friends stealing your sacred data".

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/28/palantir-teams-up-with-fannie-mae-in-ai-push-to-sniff-out-mortgage-fraud.html

So, all that's really happening here is federal agencies will use common infrastructure to store data rather than independent environments for each agency. They aren't talking about gathering new information on the public, just being more efficient with the information already gathered.

Think of it like this... Instead of 10 federal agencies using their own environments with 10 servers, for a total of 100 servers, for this information they already have/gather, this new initiative will allow them to use just 50 servers for this information they already have/gather. Saving the federal government money.

Dastardly deeds, indeed.

Logos Stick said:

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Well, they've been spying on us since the Patriot Act. I'm sure they already have much of the data.

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This

CDUB98 said:

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rynning said:

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CDUB98 said:

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We got our daughter her first phone this past weekend.

To do this, we had to rework our entire phone plan. However, in order to save $30/month on our phone bill, we had to autopay the bill by linking our bank account to Verizon.

No, I'm not talking about just setting up an ACH, I'm talking about Verizon having access to our information, like account balances and such.

Pisses me off so much, but it's way too difficult to flush $30 down the drain every month when I don't have to.

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How does Verizon know your bank account balance?

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It was part of the fine print. All information will be sold to Verizon.

Supposedly, my name and address won't be attached to the metadata, but our spending habits will be known and our deposits.

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....sure it won't be linked

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Well this is terrifying. Good bye to whatever privacy you actually had before now.

President Trump allegedly plans on developing a database of Americans' private information, according to The New York Times.

On Friday, the Times reported that the White House had contracted Colorado-based data analytics and technology firm Palantir, co-founded by longtime Trump backer Peter Thiel, for assistance in compiling a database of personal information on American citizens.

Citing unnamed government officials and Palantir employees, the newspaper said the company had been in talks with various government agencies regarding the project, including the Social Security Administration (SSA) and the Department of Education.

When approached by Newsweek for comment on the report, White House spokesperson Taylor Rogers said, without explicitly confirming the report: "President Trump signed an executive order to eliminate information silos and streamline data collection across all agencies to increase government efficiency and save hard-earned taxpayer dollars."

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The nsa collects every keystroke on the internet.

waitwhat? said:

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So, all that's really happening here is federal agencies will use common infrastructure to store data rather than independent environments for each agency. They aren't talking about gathering new information on the public, just being more efficient with the information already gathered.

Think of it like this... Instead of 10 federal agencies using their own environments with 10 servers, for a total of 100 servers, for this information they already have/gather, this new initiative will allow them to use just 50 servers for this information they already have/gather. Saving the federal government money.

Dastardly deeds, indeed.

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You don't foresee Big Gov being a problem with more streamlined tech? Big tech has been a problem for over a decade, and I work in "big tech" supporting .gov.

This is one of those "it sounds good on the outside" ideas. From the inside, it's a terrible idea.

txyaloo said:

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waitwhat? said:

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So, all that's really happening here is federal agencies will use common infrastructure to store data rather than independent environments for each agency. They aren't talking about gathering new information on the public, just being more efficient with the information already gathered.

Think of it like this... Instead of 10 federal agencies using their own environments with 10 servers, for a total of 100 servers, for this information they already have/gather, this new initiative will allow them to use just 50 servers for this information they already have/gather. Saving the federal government money.

Dastardly deeds, indeed.

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You don't foresee Big Gov being a problem with more streamlined tech? Big tech has been a problem for over a decade, and I work in "big tech" supporting .gov.

This is one of those "it sounds good on the outside" ideas. From the inside, it's a terrible idea.

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Sure. I foresee the government getting worse and worse for a variety of reasons.

I'm just saying in this instance right now, they aren't compiling more data or even more sensitive data on the populace, just streamlining how the data they currently get is stored.

All one needs to know how insecure your personal info is, is go back to 2020. How many of you had a fraudulent unemployment filing? At the time, I had more people I knew that this happened to than I knew who had covid.

It happened to me early on. Since it was early, I was actually able to call TX work force commission and talk to a rep. I got an address out of them from the filer even tho they were probably not supposed to give it out.

Turns out a college aged person w/ the same first, last name and middle initial lived at the address. Address was in the same zip I live in. I looked the property up on the county CAD and the owners had the same last name as me. The filer must have been their son. I searched facebook and found out the filer had recently graduated from a high school near me. Even drove by the house, but thought better than to ring the doorbell.

Question is, did the state screw it up? Or, was it fraud. I lean toward the state screwing it up, But w/ all the fraud going on at the time, I can't be certain. Did this kid file legitimate unemployment claim, or was he some sort of savant and found multiple people w/ the same name and file claims on their behalf?

If the state didn't screw it up, I lean towards Russians, Koreans, or Kenyans...

Big gov't doesn't need to collect your data any longer. They just buy it from data brokers to skirt regulations.

Sadly, the horses left the barn years ago.

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txyaloo said:

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waitwhat? said:

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So, all that's really happening here is federal agencies will use common infrastructure to store data rather than independent environments for each agency. They aren't talking about gathering new information on the public, just being more efficient with the information already gathered.

Think of it like this... Instead of 10 federal agencies using their own environments with 10 servers, for a total of 100 servers, for this information they already have/gather, this new initiative will allow them to use just 50 servers for this information they already have/gather. Saving the federal government money.

Dastardly deeds, indeed.

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You don't foresee Big Gov being a problem with more streamlined tech? Big tech has been a problem for over a decade, and I work in "big tech" supporting .gov.

This is one of those "it sounds good on the outside" ideas. From the inside, it's a terrible idea.

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Sure. I foresee the government getting worse and worse for a variety of reasons.

I'm just saying in this instance right now, they aren't compiling more data or even more sensitive data on the populace, just streamlining how the data they currently get is stored.

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The challenge is currently with segmented IT, division a and division b of the same agency likely doesn't have the same data available to them. I don't want all of big gov to have immediate access to the info stored on a division's server stuffed under a desk in a field office in Tampa.

I had no idea how broken gov IT was until I was in the middle of it. We don't want efficiency in this space when it comes to data sharing and connected storage.

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Well, they've been spying on us since the Patriot Act. I'm sure they already have much of the data.

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Patriot Act?? Try the mid-80s when every home had a landline...

Trump’s “Big Beautiful Bill” includes a provision that prevents all 50 states from regulating AI for the next 10 years.

Meanwhile, the Trump administration has awarded Palantir Technologies major contracts to build an expansive federal data platform using its AI-driven Foundry… pic.twitter.com/snKQLUXHSn

— AF Post (@AFpost) June 2, 2025

We're getting the band back together

The Scarf Qween is on rhe Palantir Advisory Board. https://t.co/5moS8kI6r5 pic.twitter.com/AXmDYQgxgK

— Zero Fox Given (@zerofoxgiven21) June 2, 2025

You're not chicken little if the sky actually is falling.

Will Hurd too??? FFS!

Are you f’ing kidding me right now? Will Hurd, as in CIA agent Hurd? Who infiltrates Congress and sits on the house intel committee and then rolls out and works for an alleged CIA front Crumpton Group LLC, founded by…you guessed it..CIA agent Henry Crumpton. In 2020, Crumpton… pic.twitter.com/zTXNKVbvT4

— ColonelTowner-Watkins (@ColonelTowner) June 2, 2025

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Well, they've been spying on us since the Patriot Act. I'm sure they already have much of the data.

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And that's just our government.

As I type this post from my desk, the following major corporations are also spying on me:
Apple
HP
AT&T
Microsoft
Fox
Samsung

oh hell they're all spying on us

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If they're spying on me, they're bored out of their skull.

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privacy is largely a myth. They have or could get all of this data already. Nothingburger

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And I bet you *****ed about W and Homeland Security.

Maybe have some integrity and call a spade a spade

I bought PLTR at $32/share they can have all my info I'm good

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Urban Ag said:

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Logos Stick said:

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Well, they've been spying on us since the Patriot Act. I'm sure they already have much of the data.

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And that's just our government.

As I type this post from my desk, the following major corporations are also spying on me:
Apple
HP
AT&T
Microsoft
Fox
Samsung

oh hell they're all spying on us

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If they're spying on me, they're bored out of their skull.

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Same.

For those still under the impression your data is not collected, sold, repackaged, cross-referenced and used to build a profile on your everyday, here is another example of data collection and sharing most remain unaware of.

I do find it interesting CBP is paying for the data as it would seem that if the government wants data from someone they can just demand it formally, but maybe to keep it on the quiet and due to what seems like a pretty low price, and it also likely expedited a more formal demand process.

Personally, I am fine with CBP obtaining this information. So much has been impacted by Biden's open border that we may be headed back to Patriot Act games in order to correct things.

https://www.flyertalk.com/articles/new-documents-shows-cbp-bought-flyer-data-for-11025.html

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Data Purchased to "Track People of Interest" Flying in the United States
...According to 404 Media, selling flyer data to CBP and other federal agencies is part of the larger Travel Intelligence Program, or TIP. In a previous statement to media, ARC said TIP was created in the wake of the September 11 attacks "to provide certain data to law enforcement… for the purpose of national security matters."

...Under the deal with CBP, ARC would agree to sell TIP data to CBP for $11,025, with options to extend the contract through 2029. 404 Media reported that CBP provided an additional $6,847.50 payment to ARC to exercise "Option Year 1."

...While the documents did not detail exactly what data was collected by federal officials, a privacy impact assessment obtained by 404 Media shows TIP data has daily updates with ticket sales, and can include flyer's names, credit cards, and airlines they are traveling on.

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redcrayon said:

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We can't really complain about our lack of privacy when we willingly give it up.

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It always amazes me when seeing videos of things happening to people (albeit funny though it may be) in their own home. Because they have freaking cameras recording them and sending it to the cloud!

samurai_science said:

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according to The New York Times.

Unnamed sources

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This. Also does anyone think they have any privacy anymore? It doesn't exist.

kelkel25 said:

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I bought PLTR at $32/share they can have all my info I'm good

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I bought it at $27. I think I'll be unloading it after discovering on this thread that a known liar (Birx) who was part of a dystopian enterprise to hoodwink Americans and ****bag Will Hurd are on the board.

YouBet said:

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kelkel25 said:

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I bought PLTR at $32/share they can have all my info I'm good

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I bought it at $27. I think I'll be unloading it after discovering on this thread that a known liar (Birx) who was part of a dystopian enterprise to hoodwink Americans and ****bag Will Hurd are on the board.

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Ha. I don't care who is what…..what board? Federal advisory board? Hahaha. That's no reason to sell. Get outta here with fake outrage