That's the crux. How willing are we to turn certain areas of the US into toxic cesspools like India and China? Short of WW3 breaking out, I'm not sure that most Americans would have the will to go along with that while the option exists to let it be another society's problem.

This is why Trump made the rare earth minerals deal with Ukraine, wants to mine the ocean floor and wants Greenland. Rare earths

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That's the crux. How willing are we to turn certain areas of the US into toxic cesspools like India and China? Short of WW3 breaking out, I'm not sure that most Americans would have the will to go along with that while the option exists to let it be another society's problem.

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Annexing Greenland makes SO much sense, now.

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The Chinese are like the Terminator.

They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are defeated.

BREAKING: US Treasury Secretary Bessent accuses China of holding back products that are essential to the US industrial supply chain.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 1, 2025

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There should be nothing that is essential to the industrial supply chain that is coming from China.

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We should have learned this from the pandemic.

This is normal chinese negotiating. When they don't like the deal they just string things along

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Ag with kids said:

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Logos Stick said:

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The Chinese are like the Terminator.

They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are defeated.

BREAKING: US Treasury Secretary Bessent accuses China of holding back products that are essential to the US industrial supply chain.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 1, 2025

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There should be nothing that is essential to the industrial supply chain that is coming from China.

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We should have learned this from the pandemic.

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Started 30 years ago and cannot be unwound overnight. Huge issue.

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Ag with kids said:

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Logos Stick said:

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The Chinese are like the Terminator.

They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are defeated.

BREAKING: US Treasury Secretary Bessent accuses China of holding back products that are essential to the US industrial supply chain.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 1, 2025

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There should be nothing that is essential to the industrial supply chain that is coming from China.

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SHOULD has nothing to do with the current situation There is stuff we need from foreign
Countries that keep our economy moving.

Before declaring a multi front trade war we might should have had a strategy other than try to make the ENTIRE rest of the world blink

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What were we importing from the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact during the cold war? NOTHING - or at least nothing important.

Why? Because they were our ADVERSARIES...you don't make your economy dependent upon them.

China is an adversary....there should be NOTHING that we NEED that has to come from them.

Period. Full stop.

Cheap ****ty toys and crap - fine, get it from China.

Important ***** Don't pick your enemy as your sole source.

But, glad you could get your dig in at Trump - bravo for staying on that track...

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Did you know that the titanium for the SR-71 came from the Soviet Union? The CIA set up. several front companies and routed the material through many countries before it got to the USA.

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Ag with kids said:

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Logos Stick said:

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The Chinese are like the Terminator.

They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are defeated.

BREAKING: US Treasury Secretary Bessent accuses China of holding back products that are essential to the US industrial supply chain.

— The Kobeissi Letter (@KobeissiLetter) June 1, 2025

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There should be nothing that is essential to the industrial supply chain that is coming from China.

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SHOULD has nothing to do with the current situation There is stuff we need from foreign
Countries that keep our economy moving.

Before declaring a multi front trade war we might should have had a strategy other than try to make the ENTIRE rest of the world blink

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not doing anything because any certain possibility could happen is exactly why we are where we are. It's good we are finally forcing some hands.

If people truly cared they would educate themselves.

China controls certain sectors (like rare earths, antimony, etc) because they don't give a d*mn about environmental regs. We use to have antimony here, but the process is VERY dirty so the EPA shut it down. At one point, and maybe still today, China controlled 95% of antimony supply.

Think about lithium. Even though you can dig up the ore, most is processed into usable material in China. China has 8% of the global lithium reserves and 72% of the world's refining capacity as of 2022. Now, the country is fighting its mineral cold war by investing heavily in African countries. Already dominating the processing capacities for lithium used in the lithium-ion batteries for EVs, China is now taking control of mines in other countries by direct investment or ownership of subsidiaries.

Approximately 67% of global lithium supply is processed by China, along with 73% of cobalt, 70% of graphite and 95% of manganese, all critical minerals for green technologies.

We HAVE TO END RELIANCE on chyna!!!

No *****! [/sarcasm]

I am certainly not suggesting we do anything impossible. We need to stop dealing with them for products we can get anywhere else and break them so we can deal with them for the very few things that have to come from them.

We can also quit doing stupid unnecessary "green" bull**** that uses rare earth minerals. Cutting off your nose to spite your face is so 2025 America. We do have choices in trade. We should default to the best choices.

I think Dimon has some business dealings with China. Trying to make them seem benign so he can rake in more cash.

Never trust this guy.

Jamie Dimon says China isn't America's biggest threat. It's 'the enemy within'
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/30/business/jamie-dimon-china-trade

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JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon sounded a warning Friday on the fractious US relationship with China and on "the enemy within."
"China is a potential adversary they're doing a lot of things well, they have a lot of problems," Dimon said at the Reagan National Economic Forum in Simi Valley, California. "But what I really worry about is us. Can we get our own act together our own values, our own capability, our own management."
Dimon's comments come as President Donald Trump's tarrifs have sharply cut into trade between the United States and China, the world's two biggest economies. Trump's trade policy has whipsawed through different tariff levels and has also been caught up in court decisions, adding more uncertainty to what has become a testy relationship affecting economies around the world.
Dimon also warned that the standoff with China which escalated Friday after Trump claimed Beijing "totally violated" its latest trade agreement will not back down.

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China does have a longer runway as they are a dictatorship. Xi will be there in 6 years and Trump will be gone so they can wait.

I actually think that he and his ilk are the "enemy within".

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon says he wouldn't count on China folding under Trump's tariffs: 'They're not scared, folks.'
https://www.businessinsider.com/jamie-dimon-china-tariffs-trump-trade-war-2025-5

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JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon said the United States needs to get its act together on trade quickly.
Dimon discussed the ongoing tension between the United States and China on Friday at the 2025 Reagan National Economic Forum, where he led a fireside chat. When asked what his biggest worry was right now, Dimon pointed to the shifting global geopolitical and economic landscape, including trade.
"We have problems and we've got to deal with them," Dimon said before referring to "the enemy within."
Addressing the "enemy within," he said, includes fixing how the United States approaches permitting, regulation, taxation, immigration, education, and the healthcare system.

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