You guys crack me up. Yall rant and rave about too much govt interference and how it interferes with your personal agenda and in the next breath call for more govt interference when it supports your personal agenda.

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This is one thing really like about a Tesla. I can wear sunglasses, it can't track my eyes, and I can browse the internet at full leisure while it drives.

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cruising around at 70 mph in 5000 lbs of car while not even paying attention
that is stupid

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They're telling us very soon FSD will be fully autonomous in Texas and California and it will spread from there. That means it won't require supervision. Very soon as in possibly this year. As Teslag noted it's already a better driver than anyone on this thread. This morning it drove me to Schulenburg and back with very little input from me. There are situations it doesn't handle well but I've done countless 100+ mile stretches with little to no intervention and it's every bit as good around town.

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Ahem! </shakes head>

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When the light turns green, I want you to go. It's so frustrating when I have to honk at you to get your attention.

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Don't they have a no porn while driving in Tennessee?

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LOYAL AG said:

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This is one thing really like about a Tesla. I can wear sunglasses, it can't track my eyes, and I can browse the internet at full leisure while it drives.

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cruising around at 70 mph in 5000 lbs of car while not even paying attention
that is stupid

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They're telling us very soon FSD will be fully autonomous in Texas and California and it will spread from there. That means it won't require supervision. Very soon as in possibly this year. As Teslag noted it's already a better driver than anyone on this thread. This morning it drove me to Schulenburg and back with very little input from me. There are situations it doesn't handle well but I've done countless 100+ mile stretches with little to no intervention and it's every bit as good around town.

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Ahem! </shakes head>

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lol. I definitely thought of you when I posted that! Thanks for not letting me down!

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This is one thing really like about a Tesla. I can wear sunglasses, it can't track my eyes, and I can browse the internet at full leisure while it drives.

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cruising around at 70 mph in 5000 lbs of car while not even paying attention
that is stupid

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They're telling us very soon FSD will be fully autonomous in Texas and California and it will spread from there. That means it won't require supervision. Very soon as in possibly this year. As Teslag noted it's already a better driver than anyone on this thread. This morning it drove me to Schulenburg and back with very little input from me. There are situations it doesn't handle well but I've done countless 100+ mile stretches with little to no intervention and it's every bit as good around town.

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Ahem! </shakes head>

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lol. I definitely thought of you when I posted that! Thanks for not letting me down!

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Repeatedly, I see people going up & down "East Bypass" (TX6) with "nose in phone"!

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1. Red light...

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Not to quibble, but for goodness sake:

Driving the speed limit in the left hand lane of a highway is usually against the law.

The left lane is for passing, not for enforcing your will of what is right on the folks driving beside you. Now if you want to drive in the left lane at the speed limit to pass someone, please do so. But PASS and then scootch back over a lane or two.

No reason to willfully add friction to an already dnagerous environment.

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It is illegal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone (except on a two lane road).

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doubledog said:

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1. Red light...

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Not to quibble, but for goodness sake:

Driving the speed limit in the left hand lane of a highway is usually against the law.

The left lane is for passing, not for enforcing your will of what is right on the folks driving beside you. Now if you want to drive in the left lane at the speed limit to pass someone, please do so. But PASS and then scootch back over a lane or two.

No reason to willfully add friction to an already dnagerous environment.

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It is illegal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone (except on a two lane road).

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I bet you're just the LIFE of parties.

"DId you know the human head weighs 8 pounds?"

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Not sure how to interpret, do they 'care' more or do they just like 'controlling' more?

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It is obvious with their love for illegals that they do not care.

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doubledog said:

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1. Red light...

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Not to quibble, but for goodness sake:

Driving the speed limit in the left hand lane of a highway is usually against the law.

The left lane is for passing, not for enforcing your will of what is right on the folks driving beside you. Now if you want to drive in the left lane at the speed limit to pass someone, please do so. But PASS and then scootch back over a lane or two.

No reason to willfully add friction to an already dnagerous environment.

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It is illegal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone (except on a two lane road).

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It's rude to park in the left lane at any speed. It's the entire reason we can't have nice things in this country. If slow drivers kept right we could have autobahn style highways and we would be a lot happier.

Tesla FSD is the ***** I rented one with it and today I just put a deposit down on a model X with it. Can. Not. Wait.

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When the light turns green, I want you to go. It's so frustrating when I have to honk at you to get your attention.

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I've learned to do a 2 Mississippi count if I'm at a light when it turns green in Houston. Too many maniacs run red lights around here.

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Something I've never understood is why the cell phone manufacturers get off Scott free with this issue.

The phone knows when you're driving, it should disable most features other than navigation and maybe music streaming.

I'm not a huge fan of government intervention but the government could mandate the manufactures do this.

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You hate your passengers?

Because everyone in a moving vehicle would be summarily without use of their phone.

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Trust me, your phone knows when you're driving.

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How would it know who is driving versus a passenger along for the ride?

Honest question. My phone is normally sitting on my passenger seat. It would be near impossible for it to know I was driving and it wasn't just on the roof of a moving vehicle.

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It knows greater than 95% of the time if you're driving. Also, your phone being in the passenger seat doesn't sound like a problem.

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HOW, though?

I went to school for EE, but I'm also half-white, so....explain it to me like I was 5. I'm curious as to the "how", since I can't think of anything short of sentience that would allow for that.

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Because that phone is a people tracker. They know everything about you, so of course they know when you're driving. It's not that hard and it doesn't have to work every time. If it works most of the time, people will become used to the fact they can't use their phone when driving. It will break their habit.

Take the 10s of millions of commuters, they leave home at about the same time everyday, take the same route to and from work. They know you drove to work, so even if you don't go straight home they still know your the one driving. It's really not that hard.

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I'm not a huge fan of government intervention

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Your posts here say otherwise.


You "solved" the driving to work alone problem, now do going to see a movie with spouse and two kids over 16. Who is driving?

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The real key to this is insurance refusing to pay for the at fault party if they're charged with distracted driving. They pay out for the victims vehicle and damages but the at fault party is absolutely screwed and left without a vehicle/coverage.

Why phones and not other distractions, I think there has been a massive uptick in collisions with the advent of smart phones. That's the difference.

At the end of the day you're driving a vehicle that has the potential to cause mass damage and fatalities. Your #1 job is to drive. Everything else is secondary.

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Do insurance companies pull cellphone data (i.e. investigate) or does a driver actually have to be charged for them to deny coverage? Genuinely curious.

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Tesla FSD is the ***** I rented one with it and today I just put a deposit down on a model X with it. Can. Not. Wait.

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Welcome to the dark side

With hands free in Georgia, I would say it never seemed to reduce the number of people holding phones while driving.

People who don't care, continue to not care.

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My daughter is in college now, but back when she was in middle school her best friend was killed by a driver who was texting. Absolutely devastating. She was in the backseat, traffic stopped, and the driver behind them was going 60+ miles an hour…never hit the brakes.

We were outraged when he only got 90 days in jail. I still think it should have been more time, but the judge spread it out over 9 years. He has to go to jail for 10 days each year on her birthday.

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That sounds like he got probation and was ordered to do 90 days in county jail as a condition of his probation. Not a 90 day sentence. I'm curious if it was jury verdict, or a plea bargain?

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You're right. The judge modified a plea deal - 6 months total in jail - 90 days up front, 90 days spread over 9 years plus probation and community service. Here's the article:

https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/deaf-man-gets-unique-sentence-in-distracted-driving-death-of-13-year-old-emily-zaltsman

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The real key to this is insurance refusing to pay for the at fault party if they're charged with distracted driving. They pay out for the victims vehicle and damages but the at fault party is absolutely screwed and left without a vehicle/coverage.

Why phones and not other distractions, I think there has been a massive uptick in collisions with the advent of smart phones. That's the difference.

At the end of the day you're driving a vehicle that has the potential to cause mass damage and fatalities. Your #1 job is to drive. Everything else is secondary.

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Do insurance companies pull cellphone data (i.e. investigate) or does a driver actually have to be charged for them to deny coverage? Genuinely curious.

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In my world, that'd be on the police unless the victim had dash cams footage they provided. Having been down this path I can tell you the cops loved the fact I provided them with video for the 2nd wreck. They did insure it was from my vehicle as well.

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doubledog said:

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1. Red light...

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3. If by slow you mean the speed limit, then you are the one to blame.

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Not to quibble, but for goodness sake:

Driving the speed limit in the left hand lane of a highway is usually against the law.

The left lane is for passing, not for enforcing your will of what is right on the folks driving beside you. Now if you want to drive in the left lane at the speed limit to pass someone, please do so. But PASS and then scootch back over a lane or two.

No reason to willfully add friction to an already dnagerous environment.

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It is illegal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone (except on a two lane road).

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OK, so you want to break the law to make sure that --
the law that these "speed demons" are breaking (generally not enforced for at least 5-7 mph over by public safety folks) is more difficult to break. You are going to personally fix that, right?

I take it back. Sure, stay in the passing lane driving the speed limit. You've earned it.

It is the mature and considerate thing to do. And its not like anyone has ever brake-checked you after passing, right? Or if they do, you don't mind, because once they pass, they are not breaking the law by slowing down to say 5 under the speed limit?

I totally agree, the accidents you may cause by impeding normal traffic flow isn't nearly as important as your sense of entitlement. In fact, you and a couple of buddies could drive alongside each other at the miminum speed (45 mph?) and that would be your right as well by your reasoning?

Texas used to have some of the friendliest drivers in the nation.

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doubledog said:

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Over_ed said:

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doubledog said:

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1. Red light...

2. ...

3. If by slow you mean the speed limit, then you are the one to blame.

4. ...

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Not to quibble, but for goodness sake:

Driving the speed limit in the left hand lane of a highway is usually against the law.

The left lane is for passing, not for enforcing your will of what is right on the folks driving beside you. Now if you want to drive in the left lane at the speed limit to pass someone, please do so. But PASS and then scootch back over a lane or two.

No reason to willfully add friction to an already dnagerous environment.

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It is illegal to exceed the speed limit to pass someone (except on a two lane road).

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It's rude to park in the left lane at any speed. It's the entire reason we can't have nice things in this country. If slow drivers kept right we could have autobahn style highways and we would be a lot happier.

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Laws for me but not for thee .........and here I thought it was us boomers that were the reason we can't have nice things in this country any more. Turns out it's really the left lane parker's fault.

Also illegal to drive in the left hand lane while not overtaking on most interstates in tx

There are too many people driving to EVER make this truly effective. Law enforcement only can catch a few hundred a day with credible evidence to write a ticket at best across the entire state in any one day due to numbers and time it takes. To me or is no different than adjusting any control inside the vehicle, a/c radio, navigation, etc, as most of those controls are increasingly touch screen also and you have to look to be sure what you are doing.

And vehicle safety controls are making this more and more obsolete was a law too. Lane departure, collision avoidance, adaptive cruise, edging towards self driving.

This is a case where they punish the cause for everyone broadly instead of the result, I.e. actual reckless driving. If someone changes their nav destination by touching their phone while at a stop light, are they really a threat to safety?

And there is a solution to the jackass staring at their phone without looking up: 1..2..3.. HORN!

This is why you need a heads up display - so you can read your text messages and browse to your heart's content.

Kidding.

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Tesla FSD is the ***** I rented one with it and today I just put a deposit down on a model X with it. Can. Not. Wait.

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Welcome to the dark side

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Picked up a charger on FB marketplace for $300 and also found 100 feet of 6/3 for $300 and ran the cable through my attic to the driveway side of my house. Headed offshore and electrician came and rearranged breakers in the panel to get the new 60 amp breaker in. I'm thinking it will be here by the end of the week or early next.

Right in time for Pride Month!

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You guys crack me up. Yall rant and rave about too much govt interference and how it interferes with your personal agenda and in the next breath call for more govt interference when it supports your personal agenda.

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Welcome to F16: where actions that are deemed horrible when done by the other side become an absolute constitutional right when they want to do it.

Speeding is a larger primary cause in fatal accidents than distracted driving.

It's estimated distracted driving cause more accidents, but most are minor, whereas speeding kills more people.

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Rattler12 said:

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You guys crack me up. Yall rant and rave about too much govt interference and how it interferes with your personal agenda and in the next breath call for more govt interference when it supports your personal agenda.

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Welcome to F16: where actions that are deemed horrible when done by the other side become an absolute constitutional right when they want to do it.

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People here don't have good answers as to why the govt should draw the line here, or there, especially when it comes to things like vehicles.

There's really only a few universal truths and one of those is…

If someone passes you on the right, you're an ass hole.

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The best place for phone use is in the left lane enabling variable speed control that's generally 10-20 mph below the speed limit.

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I've given up on the left lane on I95 between DC and Richmond...Pretty much hang out on the right lane of the three, even in bumper to bumper it moves quicker...I don't get it! Well, I guess I do...idiots!

What are the cops going to do if your Tesla is in FSD?

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That stretch of I-95 was miserable 35 years ago. Not surprised that it remains 3 lanes.

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Something I've never understood is why the cell phone manufacturers get off Scott free with this issue.

The phone knows when you're driving, it should disable most features other than navigation and maybe music streaming.

I'm not a huge fan of government intervention but the government could mandate the manufactures do this.

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You hate your passengers?

Because everyone in a moving vehicle would be summarily without use of their phone.

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Trust me, your phone knows when you're driving.

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How would it know who is driving versus a passenger along for the ride?

Honest question. My phone is normally sitting on my passenger seat. It would be near impossible for it to know I was driving and it wasn't just on the roof of a moving vehicle.

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It knows greater than 95% of the time if you're driving. Also, your phone being in the passenger seat doesn't sound like a problem.

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HOW, though?

I went to school for EE, but I'm also half-white, so....explain it to me like I was 5. I'm curious as to the "how", since I can't think of anything short of sentience that would allow for that.

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Because that phone is a people tracker. They know everything about you, so of course they know when you're driving. It's not that hard and it doesn't have to work every time. If it works most of the time, people will become used to the fact they can't use their phone when driving. It will break their habit.

Take the 10s of millions of commuters, they leave home at about the same time everyday, take the same route to and from work. They know you drove to work, so even if you don't go straight home they still know your the one driving. It's really not that hard.

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They know I GOT to work/home, not that I drove. That's simply GPS.

There isn't a way for them to know who is driving.

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ntxVol said:

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BigRobSA said:

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ntxVol said:

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Something I've never understood is why the cell phone manufacturers get off Scott free with this issue.

The phone knows when you're driving, it should disable most features other than navigation and maybe music streaming.

I'm not a huge fan of government intervention but the government could mandate the manufactures do this.

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You hate your passengers?

Because everyone in a moving vehicle would be summarily without use of their phone.

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Trust me, your phone knows when you're driving.

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How would it know who is driving versus a passenger along for the ride?

Honest question. My phone is normally sitting on my passenger seat. It would be near impossible for it to know I was driving and it wasn't just on the roof of a moving vehicle.

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It knows greater than 95% of the time if you're driving. Also, your phone being in the passenger seat doesn't sound like a problem.

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HOW, though?

I went to school for EE, but I'm also half-white, so....explain it to me like I was 5. I'm curious as to the "how", since I can't think of anything short of sentience that would allow for that.

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Because that phone is a people tracker. They know everything about you, so of course they know when you're driving. It's not that hard and it doesn't have to work every time. If it works most of the time, people will become used to the fact they can't use their phone when driving. It will break their habit.

Take the 10s of millions of commuters, they leave home at about the same time everyday, take the same route to and from work. They know you drove to work, so even if you don't go straight home they still know your the one driving. It's really not that hard.

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They know I GOT to work/home, not that I drove. That's simply GPS.

There isn't a way for them to know who is driving.

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They know everything about you, they know if you drive to work everyday or if someone comes by and picks you up. Think beyond just the GPS, that's only a sensor to mine data from. YOU are their product, they know everything about you.

How about this novel idea, no texting while driving period. Can it wait?

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I'm tired of adding more laws. Just add recklessness or negligence charges when distracted driving is a factor in a traffic violation. Changing a song on Spotify or looking at a Waze isn't terrible different from tuning the radio or looking at a paper map - the fact that you're touching your phone doesn't make it an inherently worse action.

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No kidding. Can get a ticket for touching your phone but meanwhile newer cars have an entire computer built right into the dash that is as equally distracting. And now the newest vehicles even have double panorama screens that traverse the entirety of the dash. Absolutely wild.