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One of the reasons there were so few actual Marxists in communist countries is because in schools, students had that stuff shoved in their faces and down their throats non-stop. The predictable result was they got sick of it real fast and treated it as the joke it was.

And the same result will occur here. However laudable the Ten Commandments might be, this will dilute and diminish their meaning and importance for young people.

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This is a pretty good point.

The U.S. Pledge and The pledge of allegiance to the Texas state flag is pretty meaningless to almost every student by the time they get to high school.

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Texas schools should also have to post the ways that the elected officials who voted for this have violated the 10 Commandments throughout their careers...right next to the 10 Commandments.

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We are all sinners. We are all hypocrites.
Every one of us.

Should we just stop trying to be better. Is that your point?

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Why don't they have a copy in the Texas legislative chambers?

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They should.
All of us can be better.

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One of the reasons there were so few actual Marxists in communist countries is because in schools, students had that stuff shoved in their faces and down their throats non-stop. The predictable result was they got sick of it real fast and treated it as the joke it was.

And the same result will occur here. However laudable the Ten Commandments might be, this will dilute and diminish their meaning and importance for young people.

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This is a pretty good point.

The U.S. Pledge and The pledge of allegiance to the Texas state flag is pretty meaningless to almost every student by the time they get to high school.

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Does this same logic apply to BLM and Pride flags, because they are all over the place in our public schools in Austin ISD.

I mean you could apply this logic to pretty much anything no?

He made that up.

That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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Pinochet said:

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Why the hell would you want public school teachers explaining to your 1st grader what adultery is?

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GROOMERS!!!

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Yes because teaching kids that it's ideal to have a nuclear family with a father and mother at the center of it, for life .. is the same as a trans pedo reading books to a 3rd grader.

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It's good to see you have a balanced view of the world. I'm sure there tons of instances of "trans pedos reading books to 3rd graders" in Texas public schools. I bet it happens everyday in most schools.

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you're the one equating adultery to grooming.
And every damn class I've been to has a Pride flag.
But oh no, how dare we have the commandments.

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I can guarantee you my wife doesn't have a pride flag hanging in her classroom. And she's even sponsored LBGTQ student organizations in the past.

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I never had a Pride Flag in my room either but I had the Texas Flag, U.S. Flag and occasionally the Chilean Flag.

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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How does this establish a religion? Or prohibit the free exercise thereof?

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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How does this establish a religion? Or prohibit the free exercise thereof?

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The Supreme Court has clearly stated multiple times that a state-mandated religious displays that favor one religion over another that are not integrated with a secular display violate the establishment clause. See McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky, Van Orden v. Perry, and Lynch v. Donnelly for a primer on endorsement of religion and the establishment clause.

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Pinochet said:

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Why the hell would you want public school teachers explaining to your 1st grader what adultery is?

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GROOMERS!!!

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Yes because teaching kids that it's ideal to have a nuclear family with a father and mother at the center of it, for life .. is the same as a trans pedo reading books to a 3rd grader.

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It's good to see you have a balanced view of the world. I'm sure there tons of instances of "trans pedos reading books to 3rd graders" in Texas public schools. I bet it happens everyday in most schools.

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you're the one equating adultery to grooming.
And every damn class I've been to has a Pride flag.
But oh no, how dare we have the commandments.

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I can guarantee you my wife doesn't have a pride flag hanging in her classroom. And she's even sponsored LBGTQ student organizations in the past.

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I never had a Pride Flag in my room either but I had the Texas Flag, U.S. Flag and occasionally the Chilean Flag.

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Good for you. I can report a completely different experience in Austin ISD - where there were no US flags, plenty of BLM, Pride , AFL-CIO flags and no one stands up for the pledge except for the ROTC and conservative kids.
Teachers demanded that students join the Roe v Wade overturn protest, and all through elementary, middle and high school, students were "encouraged" - to cheer on the Pride parades.

Mock election poll had 90% voting democrat, so this isn't a surprise.

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I never had a Pride Flag in my room either but I had the Texas Flag, U.S. Flag and occasionally the Chilean Flag.

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LOL

Peppers don't have flags, silly.

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

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No, I meant you assuming the poster would have no issues with the others.

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Why the hell would you want public school teachers explaining to your 1st grader what adultery is?

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GROOMERS!!!

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Yes because teaching kids that it's ideal to have a nuclear family with a father and mother at the center of it, for life .. is the same as a trans pedo reading books to a 3rd grader.

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It's good to see you have a balanced view of the world. I'm sure there tons of instances of "trans pedos reading books to 3rd graders" in Texas public schools. I bet it happens everyday in most schools.

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you're the one equating adultery to grooming.
And every damn class I've been to has a Pride flag.
But oh no, how dare we have the commandments.

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Zero percent chance this true.

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Makes you wonder what the other five were.

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

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No, I meant you assuming the plaster would have no issues with the others.

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If the government promoting one religion is good, why wouldn't promoting others be okay? Goose and gander and all.

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I never had a Pride Flag in my room either but I had the Texas Flag, U.S. Flag and occasionally the Chilean Flag.

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LOL

Peppers don't have flags, silly.

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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How does this establish a religion? Or prohibit the free exercise thereof?

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The Supreme Court has clearly stated multiple times that a state-mandated religious displays that favor one religion over another that are not integrated with a secular display violate the establishment clause. See McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky, Van Orden v. Perry, and Lynch v. Donnelly for a primer on endorsement of religion and the establishment clause.

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Add Graham vs stone

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A Kentucky statute requiring the posting of a copy of the Ten Commandments, purchased with private contributions, on the wall of each public school classroom in the State has no secular legislative purpose, and therefore is unconstitutional as violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment. While the state legislature required the notation in small print at the bottom of each display that

"[t]he secular application of the Ten Commandments is clearly seen in its adoption as the fundamental legal code of Western Civilization and the Common Law of the United States,"

such an "avowed" secular purpose is not sufficient to avoid conflict with the First Amendment. The preeminent purpose of posting the Ten Commandments, which do not confine themselves to arguably secular matters, is plainly religious in nature, and the posting serves no constitutional educational function. Cf. Abington School District v. Schempp, 374 U. S. 203. That the posted copies are financed by voluntary private contributions is immaterial, for the mere posting under the auspices of the legislature provides the official support of the state government that the Establishment Clause prohibits. Nor is it significant that the Ten Commandments are merely posted, rather than read aloud, for it is no defense to urge that the religious practices may be relatively minor encroachments on the First Amendment

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Pinochet said:

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Why the hell would you want public school teachers explaining to your 1st grader what adultery is?

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GROOMERS!!!

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Yes because teaching kids that it's ideal to have a nuclear family with a father and mother at the center of it, for life .. is the same as a trans pedo reading books to a 3rd grader.

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It's good to see you have a balanced view of the world. I'm sure there tons of instances of "trans pedos reading books to 3rd graders" in Texas public schools. I bet it happens everyday in most schools.

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you're the one equating adultery to grooming.
And every damn class I've been to has a Pride flag.
But oh no, how dare we have the commandments.

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Zero percent chance this true.

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100% true.
Are you in Austin ISD? Go to Bowie High School and tell me things are different.

I have been disgusted by AISD. They went off the deep end once Trump won. There is a reason that their enrollment is falling year after year, but they continue to double down on the insanity.

Democrats pontificate on threads like this, but every Austin democrat i know sends their kids to private school. The rest of us have to suffer the results of their continued stupidity and ignorance of what's happening in our schools.

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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US Congress. This is state level. You know for a long time there used to be official "State Religions" in numerous states.

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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US Congress. This is state level. You know for a long time there used to be official "State Religions" in numerous states.

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I'm guessing you've never heard of incorporation, but the Establishment Clause of First Amendment has been applicable to the states since 1947 thanks to the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (see Everson v. Board of Education). So it applies to the states as well as Congress.

Wouldn't that just mean that the states don't have to acknowledge and Congressional establishments of religion?

This is a fun discussion. I find myself agreeing pretty much with everyone. No matter what side.

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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How does this establish a religion? Or prohibit the free exercise thereof?

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The Supreme Court has clearly stated multiple times that a state-mandated religious displays that favor one religion over another that are not integrated with a secular display violate the establishment clause. See McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky, Van Orden v. Perry, and Lynch v. Donnelly for a primer on endorsement of religion and the establishment clause.

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Interestingly, you didn't bother to say how these 10 commandments under the texas statute established religion.

As for the suggest primer, are you talking about the Van Orden case where 10 commandments were allowed at the courthouse? the Lynch v. Donnelly where a nativity scene was allowed at a shopping mall area? those cases don't exactly prove your point.

As for McCreary, it was such a "Clear" decision that they couldn't even get limp wristed Anthony Kennedy to go along with the liberals. that was a much different court of court than the one we have now.

perhaps you should read up on kennedy v Bremerton for the current's courts thoughts on the establishment clause and the lemon test being on life support.

So I'll try again. How specifically does this law establish religion? Because 2 of the 3 cases you cited said the displays that made the leftists skin burn did not violate the constitution.

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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US Congress. This is state level. You know for a long time there used to be official "State Religions" in numerous states.

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I'm guessing you've never heard of incorporation, but the Establishment Clause of First Amendment has been applicable to the states since 1947 thanks to the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment (see Everson v. Board of Education). So it applies to the states as well as Congress.

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I do not believe in following unjust or immoral laws.

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No real religion in schools resulted in the left's religion of wokeness, democrat party platforms and sex with students by some teachers.

Putting God back in schools,putting patriotism back
in schools and reciting the Pledge of Alligence daily would produce miraculous results.

The ignorant boobs being turned out of public schools by leftist teachers and faculty will mostly fail because they were indoctrinated and not taught the basics required to be successful.

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Which/whose god?

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The same God our Founding Fathers refer to in our constitution. America was founded as a Christian nation and our constitution was made for governing a moral Christian citizenry.

Pull up the constitution, search for the word "God," and tell everyone how many hits you get.

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I never had a Pride Flag in my room either but I had the Texas Flag, U.S. Flag and occasionally the Chilean Flag.

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LOL

Peppers don't have flags, silly.

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I would put the Chilean Flag once a year and have my students do a quiz over basic things they should know. It was a demonstration about selective attention and automatic processing. Stuff like, what's on the back of the 1 dollar bill, which way does Lincoln face on the penny, the color of the school mascots pants, etc. I would also include a question about which color is on top of the TX flag.

Most would look towards the flag and write down the answer. When going over the answers I would show an image of the Chilean Flag as the answer. I would ask how many looked at the flag hanging up for the answer. I would then ask them how many realized that wasn't the Texas Flag but rather the Chilean Flag. It would blow their minds.

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jacketman03 said:

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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How does this establish a religion? Or prohibit the free exercise thereof?

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The Supreme Court has clearly stated multiple times that a state-mandated religious displays that favor one religion over another that are not integrated with a secular display violate the establishment clause. See McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky, Van Orden v. Perry, and Lynch v. Donnelly for a primer on endorsement of religion and the establishment clause.

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Interestingly, you didn't bother to say how these 10 commandments under the texas statute established religion.

As for the suggest primer, are you talking about the Van Orden case where 10 commandments were allowed at the courthouse? the Lynch v. Donnelly where a nativity scene was allowed at a shopping mall area? those cases don't exactly prove your point.

As for McCreary, it was such a "Clear" decision that they couldn't even get limp wristed Anthony Kennedy to go along with the liberals. that was a much different court of court than the one we have now.

perhaps you should read up on kennedy v Bremerton for the current's courts thoughts on the establishment clause and the lemon test being on life support.

So I'll try again. How specifically does this law establish religion? Because 2 of the 3 cases you cited said the displays that made the leftists skin burn did not violate the constitution.

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How is this different than what Kentucky did in graham vs stone, beside private funding of the signs (Kentucky did) vs school funding of the signs (which I believe Texas is doing)?

Not a fan of what amounts to political dunking on the other side because you can, especially when they've been such absolute crap this session with the moral busy body laws while refusing to pass real conservative legislation

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That's cool, but what about this quote from James Madison?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

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What would have to happen for Congress to establish a state religion by law or to prohibit the free exercise of religion?

Edit: what I mean is if Congress passed a law like this, what would it have to say?

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Thou shalt not covet they neighbor's school wall displays

I doubt this is constitutional.

Would be funny to see a loophole though where the State establishes its own "guidelines" which are just the 10 commandments, and then have it mandated to be laminated by the light switch in every classroom. Now that would be an interesting 1st amendment question.

This is DOA imo.

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

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No, I meant you assuming the plaster would have no issues with the others.

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If the government promoting one religion is good, why wouldn't promoting others be okay? Goose and gander and all.

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Because that darned Constitution gets in the way. As I said, 9-0 two second SCOTUS decision

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

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No, I meant you assuming the plaster would have no issues with the others.

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If the government promoting one religion is good, why wouldn't promoting others be okay? Goose and gander and all.

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Because that darned Constitution gets in the way. As I said, 9-0 two second SCOTUS decision

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We are saying the same thing, and I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the initial poster's stance.

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B-1 83 said:

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jacketman03 said:

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Why should a public school be providing a pathway to Jesus?

I'm guessing you'd have no issues with a government-mandated pathway to Mohammad, or Vishnu, or the Buddha, or Satan?

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What a strange take……. and 8 people starred it. How about the government not be involved in mandating any of those pathways via the public schools?

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That was the point of my comment.

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No, I meant you assuming the plaster would have no issues with the others.

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If the government promoting one religion is good, why wouldn't promoting others be okay? Goose and gander and all.

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Because that darned Constitution gets in the way. As I said, 9-0 two second SCOTUS decision

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I think the Louisiana law will make it there first… it has a year head start. Same result though.