"Girls Who Code" Founder Now Worries about Boys

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mode67ag
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Men VS. women, black VS. white, gays VS straights….
Not about benefiting anyone but the perpetrators of discord who hope to exploit the disaffected for political gain.
Turns out in autocracy.
YouBet
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If we actually had just a bunch of "stoic" men around and running things, this country and world wouldn't be in the dire straits that it is. No one is teaching stoicism unless you are getting it at home or pursing it on your own. 98% of men couldn't tell you what stoicism even means.

It's the ideal I personally try to live it up to.
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Her answer is to teach men to be soft and empathetic? It's that exact push that has alienated men in the first place.

They should be pushing men into more physical and competitive sports and teams to socialize them and let them learn the natural INSTINCTUAL hierarchy that forms among men in a society and how it makes a team. And let them figure out in their youth how to handle bullies and develop a competitive and ambitious drive. Schools also need to discipline bullies which todays schools don't do.

Trying to make men soft empathetic listeners has just created a bunch of simps and incels that lack the competitive ambition that women find attractive.

Women like this have educated and trained the ambition out of men, and yet they sit there dumbfounded as to why a lot of men aren't succeeding. And at the same time they've made it their life's work to empower and elevate the ambition of women?

Men also need a space that is exclusively men, where girls aren't allowed. Things like Boy Scouts that feminists forced girls into.

Malibu
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Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.
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lb3
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Malibu said:

Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.
Men provide solutions. Empathetic listening is for other women to do.
BigRobSA
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Malibu said:

Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.
Issue emboldened.

Real men don't listen to wimmenz.






Or so I've been told, or something....wasn't listening.
infinity ag
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lb3 said:

Malibu said:

Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.
Me provide solutions. Empathetic listening is for other women to do.

When I provide solutions to my wife she she is all emotional and sometimes crying about some issue at work or her friends, she gets angrier and says
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I need you to listen! Not to fix things!


So I just let her talk and talk while I do whatever I am doing and go hmm uhh huh.. oh yeah... absolutely every now and then.
American Hardwood
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I appreciate your explanation and see where you are coming from. For me, what you are calling ideology I would call partisanship in the case of politics and dogmatism in the case of religion.

For me, ideology is simply adhering to a system of beliefs that create order and structure that you perceive as the best for directing your feelings, thoughts, and actions. As opposed to partisan Democrat or Republican it should be collectivism, conservatism, individualism, or whatever philosophical theory you adhere to and so on.

In my view, everyone should have a well constructed and considered ideology they adhere to. I would call that being 'principled'. Far better than just drifting through life reacting to whatever input you experience at the moment, letting emotions control you instead of reason weighed against an ideological framework.

Even if I would consider someone's ideology wrong, at least a principled adherent is someone you could actually have a rational debate with. An unprincipled person with no ideological framework will typically react poorly when questioned as they have no foundation on which to explain why they believe what they do or what actions they take, resorting to more base instinctual responses instead of philosophically rational ones.

i think we've been conditioned to think that being ideologically formed and grounded is a bad thing, but i judge this to be the basis of what forms a 'hard man'. It leads to conviction in action.
The best way to keep evil men from wielding great power is to not create great power in the first place.
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I spent years teaching girls to be brave, not perfect. But I barely considered how we need to teach boys to be soft, not just stoic. To connect, not control. To imagine a version of manhood where strength requires empathy, vulnerability, and care.

While we were pushing our girls forward, we were leaving our boys behind. And now, they're struggling.

Boys and men are less likely to turn to their communities for social connection and support. Less likely to go to college. More likely to die by suicide or overdose. Too often, instead of being met with care, they've been manipulated and handed division. Not just by podcast bros, but by a government that's actively stoking the divide for their own political gain.

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And while we've been distracted, our boys have been searching for connection and finding it in the worst places. Small men with loud voices who hold court over internet echo chambers, like Andrew Tate, offer them simplistic answers for all of their complicated fears and insecurities. Man up. Toughen up. Win at all costs. And those answers are harming boys and men. We failed to offer them belonging, so they're grappling for control.



This would all be funny if it weren't so tone deaf...


Boys weren't being left behind, they were being actively pushed out of the way. Even worse, they were being shamed and told they were the source of all the world's problems. There is no shortage of feminists, especially in academia, who continue to push the idea of "toxic masculinity" and that men and boys are irredeemable, violent misogynists who need be fixed by women. Even in this essay, we hear about how boys and men need to be taught and shaped into the feminist idea of what manhood is, as if women know more about being a man than men. We hear about how instead of being met with care, young men face manipulation. But what does this author think she's advocating for two paragraphs before? "We need to teach them..." What she really means is, "They don't face the right kind of manipulation."


And it's not the ***holes like Andrew Tate who have been telling young men to man up, toughen up, and win at all costs; It's the feminists. Bring up things like social disconnection, lower college graduation rates, or higher suicide and overdose rates in any feminist setting and you're immediately labeled a misogynistic incel who's trying to minimize and repress women. These are men's problems and men just need to deal with them themselves because women have enough to worry about. So what if women are given more opportunity and support? Men should just work harder and do more. That's the general feminist attitude. It's not one of distraction, but outright derision. It's not that feminism has been too focused on girls, it's that it has turned into outright disdain and hatred for masculinity. It isn't ignoring young men so much as it is telling them to GTFO and getting upset when they do. No one should be surprised when young men turn to ***holes like Andrew Tate who say, "**** women. They don't give a **** about you, so why give a **** about them? There's nothing wrong with you. Be selfish, take whatever you want, and don't care what anyone else thinks."


It should come as no shock that telling an entire generation of young men that they're lesser and need to take a backseat and suffer in silence will drive them to resentment and a rejection of everything they see as feminism. The Andrew Tates of the world don't exist as a consequence of men, but of women. Women created the completely unrealistic and toxic girl boss trope as an example for young girls to aspire to (looking at you especially, Disney). Inevitably young men would eventually find its equally unrealistic and toxic male doppelganger. . So women unwittingly created their worst nightmares, pushed a generation of men towards them, and now cry about the results. Unsurprisingly, they won't want to take an ounce of responsibility for any of this. Feminism treats men and boys with dismissiveness at best and hostility and derision at worst, but it's the fault of men and boys for mirroring that same attitude back at women. It's the fault of the new bogeyman du jour, "the manosphere."


Some will say, "But she's taking responsibility right here!" but she's not. Instead of recognizing and acknowledging the underlying problem of how young men are demonized and have been the subject of decades of feminist derision and division, she begins and ends with the notion that boys are an inherent problem and a project and answering to be worked on. It's not enough to acknowledge the problems that young men face, taking responsibility requires acknowledging womens' roles in creating and fostering those problems. She talks about boys needing to be taught, "to connect, not control," as if they're broken and that control, not connection, is their natural tendency, but she's doing it in the context of advocating for control, not connection. Boys need to have manhood explained to them by women, not treated as equals and listened to. Far from taking responsibility, this piece is a condescending self-contradiction that says, "Our ideas aren't bad, we just haven't practiced them hard enough."
deddog
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I have a conservative niece CS major, Ivy League who at one point worked for her. Said she was a liberal nut. (no shocker)
jamey
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Things have never been as equal as they are today. Regardless of religion, sex or race you can go get a degree in whatever, become CEO of a major company, run for president, you name it.

Yet, in this era it seems like there's this never ending search for the new victim or the boogie man.


When the fiscal crap hits the fan in the US, we'll have our boogieman. Or should I saw boogiewoman? I'd hate to leave anyone out
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infinity ag said:

aggie93 said:

AgBQ-00 said:

So her answer to the issue is we need to make men more like women. Typical liberal who can't understand why their rhetoric falls on deaf ears and harms everything they put their mind to.
This. Men don't want to be like women and they will never be successful being like women outside of a small minority. You can't get men to want to be nurses and want to be elementary school teachers and social workers at the same rate as women. You can't get men to want to cry and embrace their emotional vulnerability.

Why? Not only do men not want to do those things but more importantly WOMEN DON'T WANT MEN LIKE THAT. Women don't want to marry a guy who acts like a woman. They want a strong partner that can protect and provide and be their emotional rock.

She identified the problem but has no clue about the solution. Notice as well that nowhere in her solution does she require women to do anything of course. She certainly doesn't say that women need to care about men or embrace them acting in feminine ways or be attracted to them. She thinks women should be able to take over male spaces and be advantaged over men. She has zero recognition that masculinity has value and purpose and how it benefits women as well. She also has no recognition of the negative consequences of feminism that has pushed women to be entitled and act like victims while moving away from actual femininity and valuing being a wife and mother.

No, her only solution is that men are still the problem of course and she thinks they need to act like women more.

If she is honest and says what women should do, she will get "canceled" and pilloried for pandering to the patriarchy. So she dances around it. She was arrogantly pushing all things woman but now that she has sons, she wants a piece of the pie for her sons too. Selfish and self-centered. She is passing it off as "just because men deserve more doesn't mean we give women any less".


Or maybe it was just a good excuse to make some money off societies grand search for the boogieman, part 2
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Maroon Dawn said:

Women disproportionately vote Democrat

That's why there is such a huge push to have them put into every major position of leadership and censorship


This sounds like they're simply voting for the other party.

The other party is an anti-American, anti-civilization Marxist party.

That is who they vote for.
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Boys have been ignored and marginalized for a couple decades now and we're seeing the beta male results of this. By every metric boys are suffering. All from leftists do-gooders in the name of trying to tame toxic masculinity.
texagbeliever
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Malibu said:

Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.

I think people have come to confuse empathy with sympathy as that is how most modern settings intend the word. There is quite a bit of value in having the emotional intelligence to be able to understand other perspectives. I guess people like to brag about being emotionally dumb?
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infinity ag said:

AgDad121619 said:

samurai_science said:

She sounds dumb and still doesn't understand what males need
"But I barely considered how we need to teach boys to be soft, not just stoic. ". This sounds like she is still working for women - soft men is what she is really advocating for in her push for DEI.

She will feminize her sons, make them sensitive crybabies, and then girls their age will find them beta and hence unattractive as a mate, and refuse to date them. Then she will start hating females because they refuse to date her sons, and write another article about how modern women suck.

Oh what a tangled web we weave.
In other words:

She's a feminist and always complaining about something.
samurai_science
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Having large populations of young men outside the "system" when times get rough or a financial collapse happens will lead to large amounts of violence.
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I believe the root of the problem is because men listen to the views/opinions of women and take them seriously and implement all/some in order to appease them. I confess I have made this mistake in the past.

Everyone who is 30+ knows that women's opinions are like the wind, changes direction at random with no sense of needing to be coherent or logical or even succeeding on any metric. They just need to feel good to the woman.

There are a few ways to handle:

1. STFU woman! GTFO to the kitchen and make me a sammich! NOW!!! This was what people did from antiquity to 2 generations ago. Very effective. Kept women out of trouble. Men felt this was too harsh and this is largely abandoned except in Islamic countries. This is why Islamic countries have no problem with feminists running riot. Except that instead of sammiches, the beards prefer kabobs.

2. Allow women to vent, and pretend to listen to them, make agreeable noises like umm hmm.. absolutely.. you may be right... great idea... etc etc. Then do whatever the hell you need to do. Men always do what needs to be done, not what they want to do. Women always do what they want to do, and rarely what they need to do, because inherently they are selfish creatures by nature due to evolutionary reasons. This is what many men do today because feminism and wokeism doesn't pay bills and men know it.

3. Ask a woman for her opinion on what to do and execute her idea. A small percentage of men do this and boast that they do so and call themselves "male feminists" and have it on their Linkedin profiles. They love white-knighting. They love to say things like "happy wife, happy life". Their executions mostly fail, but they blame themselves saying the woman's idea was fantastic, but they did not execute correctly. This percentage was growing until recently and is now at a small but stable level.



In 2025, I recommend (2). Let your woman rant all she wants, release her steam, and you do what needs to be done like a man. Women rarely remember what they said earlier anyway, so it won't matter. This isn't like some insult or slight that they will remember for 20 years and pull out of their asses to prove what a horrible person you are.
Malibu
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This seems like a very infantalizing and weird view of woman that in no way mirrors my real life. I have many women in my life from my wife, subordinates, old friends, and run club friends whose advice I trust, and whose problems are real rather than vapid and banal, and who are growth oriented and not hysterical venters.
texagbeliever
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You have a very unhealthy relationship with women.
infinity ag
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texagbeliever said:

You have a very unhealthy relationship with women.

Stop getting personal. You don't know me.
Malibu
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If men should draw any positive lessons from me too, it's that if you'd like to get laid just ask if the woman is cool with it first and respect her choice. The wrong lesson that has got us to the bad rabbit hole we're in today is to surpress or replace competition, dominion, and aggression from men instead of channeling it into something constructive. Respect the innate and complementary nature of each gender, and don't sell myths that its a construct or that the innateness is inherently bad.

Your solution, at least the way you wrote it, seems to be to distrust women and dont take their advice because they are inherently fickle, emotionally unstable, and selfish. That is a seriously bad take on women.
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My experience is the opposite of yours. The majority of women I work with and train with (running and BJJ) are high achieving, intelligent human beings with much to offer.

Most of the true bozos-in-life I know are guys trying to overplay their abilities.
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
samurai_science
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Sweep4-2 said:

My experience is the opposite of yours. The majority of women I work with and train with (running and BJJ) are high achieving, intelligent human beings with much to offer.

Most of the true bozos-in-life I know are guys trying to overplay their abilities.
We need stay at home wives/moms who take care of the home, everything else is against the mold/biology
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infinity ag said:

texagbeliever said:

You have a very unhealthy relationship with women.

Stop getting personal. You don't know me.

Your post is very misogynistic.
Malibu
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samurai_science said:

Sweep4-2 said:

My experience is the opposite of yours. The majority of women I work with and train with (running and BJJ) are high achieving, intelligent human beings with much to offer.

Most of the true bozos-in-life I know are guys trying to overplay their abilities.
We need stay at home wives/moms who take care of the home, everything else is against the mold/biology
I'm not part of this we. Women are better at nurturing and fostering community and we can lean into those qualities without pigeonholing how their occupation and need in society into exclusively in the home. If that works you and your family, awesome. It doesn't for me and mine.
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samurai_science said:

Sweep4-2 said:

My experience is the opposite of yours. The majority of women I work with and train with (running and BJJ) are high achieving, intelligent human beings with much to offer.

Most of the true bozos-in-life I know are guys trying to overplay their abilities.
We need stay at home wives/moms who take care of the home, everything else is against the mold/biology


Sorry, I was off watching Leave it to Beaver and couldn't reply. The concept of a woman being limited to sandwich maker and homemaker only isn't one I subscribe to.

Heck, my son is in college and I'm fine with my wife having gone back to work. Even though I have to make my own sandwiches and do my share of the housework.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying my situation is different.
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
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lb3 said:

Malibu said:

Hold on, whats the issue with empathetic listening and how does that conflict with ideal masculinity? Everything else, 100% agree.
Men provide solutions. Empathetic listening is for other women to do.

Men are from Mars Women are from Venus. Great book with lots of truth in it.
Trump will fix it.
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Sweep4-2 said:

samurai_science said:

Sweep4-2 said:

My experience is the opposite of yours. The majority of women I work with and train with (running and BJJ) are high achieving, intelligent human beings with much to offer.

Most of the true bozos-in-life I know are guys trying to overplay their abilities.
We need stay at home wives/moms who take care of the home, everything else is against the mold/biology


Sorry, I was off watching Leave it to Beaver and couldn't reply. The concept of a woman being limited to sandwich maker and homemaker only isn't one I subscribe to.

Heck, my son is in college and I'm fine with my wife having gone back to work. Even though I have to make my own sandwiches and do my share of the housework.

Not saying you're wrong, just saying my situation is different.
Thats fine, but it ignores realty of people and proper family structure.
Sweep4-2
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So my wife needs to quit her job and be a stay at home mom even though we have no children in our house?

My wife is my equal (or probably better than me most of the time). The concept of telling her to stay home and do my laundry, cook for me, clean for me, etc wouldn't work for us.

But I get it, we all have different views and I can't tell others what to do. And I can make my own sandwiches pretty good.
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
Malibu
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Sweep4-2 said:

So my wife needs to quit her job and be a stay at home mom even though we have no children in our house?

My wife is my equal (or probably better than me most of the time). The concept of telling her to stay home and do my laundry, cook for me, clean for me, etc wouldn't work for us.

But I get it, we all have different views and I can't tell others what to do.
We do have kids and split up parenting and housework duty with our own goals and ambitions, and see it as our duty to support each other. My wife is the comforter and nurturer, I am the disciplinarian and wrestling partner. Normal gender roles can fit with working parents who try to divide the load as equally as possible.
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My wife was a stay at home mom for 16 years and she loved it. I worked but also tried to do my share of the 'women's work' as others are calling it (cooking, dishes, home repairs, shopping, etc). I don't think it feminized me at all.

And now that our son is an adul and we have no kids in the house, I can't comprehend how badly it would end for me if I started telling her she couldn't have a job, needed to do my laundry, make the bed, feed me, etc.

(Not saying you said these things btw….just sharing my thoughts on what would or wouldn't work for me).
Consistency: It's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up.
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Emotional intelligence is conjectural pseudoscience. The psychologists have tried to isolate it as a phenomenon for study but can't find it in isolation with scientific rigor. It is at best a loosely defined aggregation of other behavioral or temperamental traits in certain proportions.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Emotional intelligence is conjectural pseudoscience. The psychologists have tried to isolate it as a phenomenon for study but can't find it in isolation with scientific rigor. It is at best a loosely defined aggregation of other behavioral or temperamental traits in certain proportions.

I can see how that might be true but I think it is still an observable phenomenon.
 
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