No more aid to Israel (like Ukraine) = Anti-semitic? Abbott vs San Marcos

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https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/state/2025/05/01/israel-ceasefire-resolution-san-marcos-texas-greg-abbott-threatens-funding/83389321007/

I didn't hear about the story until this weekend, but apparently the San Marcos City Council claimed more than $4.4 million in city residents' tax dollars went to Israel rather than to domestic priorities. The city council also proposed an Israel-Hamas ceasefire resolution (which admittedly is strange for a Texas city to do) scheduled for a vote on May 6th. The proposal also includes support for ending U.S. military funding of Israel with federal and local tax dollars.

Abbott is not happy, saying it is "Pro-Hamas" and "I have repeatedly made clear that Texas will not tolerate antisemitism. Anti-Israel policies are anti-Texas policies." He is threatening that to cut off state funding to San Marcos if the resolution passes, due to it violating House Bill 89 that prohibits any governmental contracts with entities that boycott Israel. San Marcos City Council has said this does not constitute a boycott of Israel but rather a call to reevaluate funding priorities.



Which brings me back to a question I keep having recently. Does it make you "antisemitic" if you don't want your tax dollars should go to another foreign government, or even perhaps critical of the Israeli government or the actions of the IDF? That alone does not have to do with your perception of Jewish people or the Jewish faith. Also Abbott himself has publicly criticized how money has been sent to Ukraine. I don't see how this is all that different.



So, does prioritizing tax dollars for Americans first over more aid to Israel REALLY make you an antisemite? Criticizing Israel's actions in Gaza? Why is the line drawn here? There are Anti-Zionist Jews in this country, so what does that make them?
Stone Choir
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Wanting your tax dollars to stay at home and not go overseas is anti-Semitic somehow. Just a crazy world we live in.
Rapier108
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Second or third time this has been posted on F16, with at least one thread deleted because for the obvious reason.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
pagerman @ work
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If you read Abbott's letter, it is very clear why he is doing what he is doing, and his justification for doing so.

Also, the city council's statement is resplendent with boilerplate anti-Israel, pro-terrorist, antisemitic rhetoric.
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MouthBQ98
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Why is a local.municipality giving tax dollars to ANYONE overseas? That should be reserved for private donations or the federal government as foreign policy. State and local governments should look to state and local issues.
CDUB98
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Welcome to last week.
Gig em G
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Rapier108 said:

Second or third time this has been posted on F16, with at least one thread deleted because for the obvious reason.
Sorry... I looked and didn't see anything posted already. I guess I missed it.
Rapier108
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Looks like they were all deleted. I don't see any of them either.

Probably because they all end up going the same way eventually and staff just nukes it.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
BenFiasco14
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San Marcos Texas has called for a cease fire? That oughta move the needle.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
AgNav93
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When did San Marcos become such a limp wristed liberal town?
Gig em G
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BenFiasco14 said:

San Marcos Texas has called for a cease fire? That oughta move the needle.
I know, right? Seems so ridiculous.

The 4.4 million in taxes though...?
Phatbob
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"Aid to Israel" at the state level usually is just using companies as vendors that are located there. With the left it's always about the language, and it has to be manipulative for anyone to buy into it. So "Stop supporting Israel" == boycotting Israel. That is why it equals antisemitism. The left has no logic that isn't just marketing for feelings based decision making.
Captain Winky
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There is stupidity all around on this. Stupid of San Marcos that thinks passing any city resolution that says Hamas or Israel should exist or call for a cease fire is a giant waste of time and pointless. Abbott is stupid for thinking that those resolutions matter, and he is also stupid for thinking that not wanting to send money to Israel is anti-Semitic.

I don't understand why wanting to keep money to support your city is a bad thing.
Urban Ag
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I support Israel (generally), am a big fan of the IDF, and believe Hamas deserves everything they're getting and then some.

That said, it is not inherently anti-semitic to be critical of Israel, supporting Israel, or US policy towards Israel.

The obvious problem though is that much, if not most, of the anti-Israeli sentiment in the last couple of years morphed right in to outright anti-semitism for all the world to see.

It's become nearly impossible for anyone to be critical of Israeli policy and not be labeled anti-semitic but you can blame the crazy left and militant pro-Palestinian nutjobs for that.
damiond
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abbott should take over the city
Urban Ag
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BenFiasco14 said:

San Marcos Texas has called for a cease fire? That oughta move the needle.
Right up there with the Austin City Council Anti-Iraq War Resolution of 2003.
DrEvazanPhD
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Why is abbot even addressing this?
nortex97
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Ukraine is vastly less relevant/significant to US policy makers/politicians than Israel. This story doesn't really make sense though in most respects as San Marcos has zero impact.
Jeeper79
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I'd be ticked if my local tax dollars left my locality, regardless of where they went. That's grounds for political careers to end. Maintain the damn streets. Fund the damn schools. Build the damn parks.

I don't care if the dollars leave across the world or across the state. If every cent isn't directly benefitting my neighborhood / school district / municipality, you better be shopping for a new job ASAP.
Jeeper79
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DrEvazanPhD said:

Why is abbot even addressing this?
politics
Captain Pablo
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https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1NknoEMd7G7qx06HhmoeZG77J9ZOd9EbTzQy3GAUgKQY/mobilebasic?pli=1

The resolution draft

Good lord
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AgNav93 said:

When did San Marcos become such a limp wristed liberal town?


I think it is absolutely insane. That local taxpayer money is going to fund Isreal.

I find it 1000 times more insane that supposed to conservative people on this forum have lost sight of the actual issue here.

The idea, that in the United States, you cannot be antisemitic without punishment. You should have the right to be anti-whatever it is you want to be. Pro-whatever you want to be.

Should it be a crime to be anti-black?

Should it be a crime to be anti-Chinese?

The absolute absurdity that is going on here blows my mind and so many of you think it's correct.


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Captain Pablo said:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1NknoEMd7G7qx06HhmoeZG77J9ZOd9EbTzQy3GAUgKQY/mobilebasic?pli=1

The resolution draft

Good lord
Yeah, with that left-wing propaganda piece it is clear they are looking for a fight. I guess Abbott is going to give them one.

I find it amusing they waited until Trump was President to pass this when 98% of what they are complaining about happened under Biden's administration.
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CrackerJackAg said:

AgNav93 said:

When did San Marcos become such a limp wristed liberal town?


I think it is absolutely insane. That local taxpayer money is going to fund Isreal.

I find it 1000 times more insane that supposed to conservative people on this forum have lost sight of the actual issue here.

The idea, that in the United States, you cannot be antisemitic without punishment. You should have the right to be anti-whatever it is you want to be. Pro-whatever you want to be.

Should it be a crime to be anti-black?

Should it be a crime to be anti-Chinese?

The absolute absurdity that is going on here blows my mind and so many of you think it's correct.



It's federal tax money, and the "local" part of it is a calculation of the federal taxes paid by the citizens of San Marcos per citizen.

This is not state money, and is the equivalent of the hippie peackniks and sovereign citizen wackos declaring that they don't have to pay X dollars of their taxes to support the "war machine" in DC or whatever.
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Stone Choir said:

Wanting your tax dollars to stay at home and not go overseas is anti-Semitic somehow. Just a crazy world we live in.
As I read it, it's not foreign aid, it's strictly aid to Israel they want to stop.

A court will slap this down just as appellate courts have slapped down their idiotic marijuana legalization ordinances.
BigRobSA
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CrackerJackAg said:

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I find it 1000 times more insane that supposed to conservative people on this forum have lost sight of the actual issue here.

The idea, that in the United States, you cannot be antisemitic without punishment. You should have the right to be anti-whatever it is you want to be. Pro-whatever you want to be.

Should it be a crime to be anti-black?

Should it be a crime to be anti-Chinese?

The absolute absurdity that is going on here blows my mind and so many of you think it's correct.



Two types of people I hate:

1) people that are openly intolerant of others

2) the Dutch
Martin Cash
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AgNav93 said:

When did San Marcos become such a limp wristed liberal town?
About 10 or 15 years ago, they started shifting left. They are full on communist now. Austin, Jr.
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Stone Choir said:

Wanting your tax dollars to stay at home and not go overseas is anti-Semitic somehow. Just a crazy world we live in.


Now do Ukraine and being "pro Russia"
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Captain Pablo said:

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1NknoEMd7G7qx06HhmoeZG77J9ZOd9EbTzQy3GAUgKQY/mobilebasic?pli=1

The resolution draft

Good lord


Wow!!! Yeah that is not even vailed antisemitism.
88planoAg
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They are accusing Israel of genocide, of illegal occupation, war crimes, and only as an afterthought say anything about the hostages. Nothing about Oct 7. Lots of disputed or untrue statements re: the occupation, the numbers of casualties, etc etc and nothing about Hamas or their war crimes.

Being critical of Israel isn't in and of itself antisemitic, but all of the above is left wing propaganda and doesn't recognize Israel's right to self dense, and deflects the start of the current conflict - blaming Israel for it by citing the illegal occupation of 57 years as the proximate cause of the current conflict which is complete BS. Even though they don't say 'from the river to the sea' their intent is plain.
one safe place
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San Marcos and sip Abbott should stay in their own lane and not get involved in what goes on half way around the world.
Pookers
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one safe place said:

San Marcos and sip Abbott should stay in their own lane and not get involved in what goes on half way around the world.
Abbott has a house in India and a timeshare in Davos. He is doing what he is told.
Hondo,
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Why is this so hard to understand?

You are FREE to donate as much of your OWN money to any and all causes you wish! But there is no justification for using taxpayer funds for foreign governments!
The Fall Guy
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Martin Cash said:

AgNav93 said:

When did San Marcos become such a limp wristed liberal town?
About 10 or 15 years ago, they started shifting left. They are full on communist now. Austin, Jr.


100 percent above. It has gone full liberal. Go look up Manas Amiga. Pure socialist crap
Hondo,
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While I daydream, may as well throw this one out there.. funds could be rerouted for "property tax relief"
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