MouthBQ98 said:

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f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Genuinely shocked by those responses from Klavan and JP.

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Keep in mind some of the daily wire people know her personally and worked with her for some time and may know things about her that isn't evident from her public and social media persona.

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Her public and social media persona is a bat**** insane stupid *****, so it's not a huge stretch

in case you're confused by all this, right-wing antisemites attempted to co-opt "Christ is King" as a dogwhistle to trojan-horse hatred of jews into otherwise well-meaning christians.

this is why JP syncing up with the ADL (if true) makes other right wing influencers mad. it would mean he's fraternizing with the far right's biggest enemy: jews.

True but it's the all false dichotomy. We get shoved into these all the time. One side abuses something. Another side wants to cancel it so the abuse can no longer happen.

The truth and normal people in the middle get screwed.

But one thing that is interesting is why is Christ is King offensive to Jews?

Roughly 1930 years past that point. Give or take a few

Peterson is 100% correct:

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Candace Owens @RealCandaceO a true Pharasaical pretender. She vociferously proclaims her devotion to Christ for no other reason that to elevate her perceived status. Her outrage is designed not to shout the truth from the rooftops, build bridges or make peace, but to subvert Christianity itself--with its new force--to her own purposes. She is literally using God's name in vain. There are few more unforgivable sins.

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Christ is King.

And Owens is a charlatan.

I'm pretty sure the far right's biggest enemy is Marxists.

It's atheism.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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But one thing that is interesting is why is Christ is King offensive to Jews?

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there's nothing inherently offensive about the phrase. jews just tend to be wary (for obvious good reason) of attempts to smuggle right-wing antisemitic extremism into the mainstream, which is what some bad actors are constantly trying to do, this time with christians.

for the "far right" i'm talking about, it goes a step beyond marxism to jews, whom they believe are the source of marxism and all other manner of societal maladies.

And yet they are offended… it's not because of some random modern "shock jock". It's because of an ancient deep routed truth coming to light.

And if any group should be wary it's Christians. They were brutally brutally persecuted at the hands of the Jews. It just recency bias that turns a blind eye to it.

txags92 said:

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If only there were a forum dedicated to discussing topics like religion…

https://texags.com/forums/15

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Right, but Owens is a political/cultural figure and she very clearly is making these statements to make a political point.

Saying Christ is King is not the problem. Her old boss Jeremy Boreing, a committed Christian, explained it best. Saying Christ is King is not the issue. Why, when, and in what context you're saying it is the issue.

Owens very clearly wants to be a major figure in the movement that blames all the problems in the world on Jews without saying it out loud. I'm not sure if she or anyone else in that movement actually thinks they are being clever about it or they just think it's cooler to not say the quiet part out loud like Kanye does when he's off his meds. Owens and Tucker are proof you can make a good living off walking that tight rope.

But it's absolutely a political conversation more than a religious one when it comes to Owens. That's why Peterson and Klaven are saying what they are saying.

You're too slow

Candace Owens is a modern day shock jock that has found an audience. She will say whatever to keep that audience engaged.

The problem is we have now allowed this one person to open the door on WHEN and what CONTEXT it's ok to say Christ is King.

It's the same thing every single time and people still fall for it. Left hand right hand you're being fooled by the magician.

Klavan and Peterson are spot on. Always fun to see people out themselves as blatant antisemites every once in a while, though.

And no, saying Christ is King is not what makes one an antisemite. That phrase has become the alt right version of "black lives matter."

Christ IS King. He certainly is my King. And as such, I will leave it up to Him to judge Candice Owens. And as such, I will refrain from passing judgement on her.

BusterAg said:

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cr06gis said:

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Christians don't get offended by Christ is King

People that think judeo-Christian is a thing, do.

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I am pro Judeo/Christian values.

Christ is King.

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This post is proving that Judeo and Christian values do not in fact line up. Jews do not believe Christ is King while Christians do and neither side will ever compromise on these issues. Jews still follow OT Deuteronomy and Leviticus ceremonial and civil laws in addition to following the Talmud while Christians only follow the moral laws from those books. Christians also believe in absolute forgiveness through Jesus Christ through faith while also following the words of James, Peter, and Paul regarding our behavior in the sanctification process.

I am convinced most of you who proclaim this statement don't actually understand the Bible at all, don't really do any deep dives into theology, and likely aren't very religious.

Nanomachines son said:

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BusterAg said:

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cr06gis said:

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Christians don't get offended by Christ is King

People that think judeo-Christian is a thing, do.

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I am pro Judeo/Christian values.

Christ is King.

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This post is proving that Judeo and Christian values do not in fact line up. Jews do not believe Christ is King while Christians do and neither side will ever compromise on these issues. Jews still follow OT Deuteronomy and Leviticus ceremonial and civil laws in addition to following the Talmud while Christians only follow the moral laws from those books and believe in absolute forgiveness through Jesus Christ through faith while also following the words of James, Peter, and Paul regarding our behavior in the sanctification process.

I am convinced most of you who proclaim this statement don't actually understand the Bible at all.

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This is nonsense. The idea of Judeo/Christian values isn't to say that Jews and Christians practice religion in the same manner or believe all the same things to be true. It's a recognition that the moral foundation of both religions are born out of the same fundamental tenets and that those commonalities are the tenets upon which the West was built.

Are there stark differences? Sure. But the point is to take where there is commonality and build a civilization that can have a strong, moral, cohesive bond despite the differences.

Of course, there's usually ulterior motives for taking umbrage with the idea of Judeo/Christian values.

You're proving his point. Judea values aren't the same as Christian values.

f1ghtintexasaggie said:

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Genuinely shocked by those responses from Klavan and JP.

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What do you disagree with in them?

Ellis Wyatt said:

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I have no idea what this furor is about, but Christ is, in fact, King. Some people are going to have a really hard time being forced to accept it on one knee someday.

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They will be too afraid to question it!

Ag87H2O said:

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Christ is King and the very gates of hell will not prevail against Him.

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In 100% agreement.

However, the reason Owens and others are using it is to troll people. Specifically Jews. Not the kind of use of the name of Jesus many would like to see.

I don't want people using it as a prop to troll online.

Here in lies the bigger problem and the devil work IMO. Those people should just be ignored and not an ounce of energy devoted to them. But instead we have this being made into a bigger issue and now we've introduced thought and speech control.

Because people will now second guess if how they speak of Jesus' kingship as offensive. It will happen, which is the desired outcome.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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Here in lies the bigger problem and the devil work IMO. Those people should just be ignored and not an ounce of energy devoted to them. But instead we have this being made into a bigger issue and now we've introduced thought and speech control.

Because people will now second guess if how they speak of Jesus' kingship as offensive. It will happen, which is the desired outcome.

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I guess. Though I've always heard the Jesus is Lord phrase a lot more than Jesus is King.

And it is a lot of self styled "Christian nationalists" online. Owens is just the ringleader. Honestly pisses me off to see them using Him as a prop for their troll battles.

In complete agreement with Klavan.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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You're proving his point. Judea values aren't the same as Christian values.

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No, I'm not.

And they will be held accountable by the living God for the misuse. But it shouldn't allowed to be used a means of control.

It's clear to anyone what Klavan and Peterson are talking about. Those claiming "people will now be worried about when they can say it" are just passively aggressively defending the anti-Semite Owens of the world.

We will see. I hope you're right but I've seen this playbook many times.

Kvetch said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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BusterAg said:

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cr06gis said:

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Christians don't get offended by Christ is King

People that think judeo-Christian is a thing, do.

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I am pro Judeo/Christian values.

Christ is King.

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This post is proving that Judeo and Christian values do not in fact line up. Jews do not believe Christ is King while Christians do and neither side will ever compromise on these issues. Jews still follow OT Deuteronomy and Leviticus ceremonial and civil laws in addition to following the Talmud while Christians only follow the moral laws from those books and believe in absolute forgiveness through Jesus Christ through faith while also following the words of James, Peter, and Paul regarding our behavior in the sanctification process.

I am convinced most of you who proclaim this statement don't actually understand the Bible at all.

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This is nonsense. The idea of Judeo/Christian values isn't to say that Jews and Christians practice religion in the same manner or believe all the same things to be true. It's a recognition that the moral foundation of both religions are born out of the same fundamental tenets and that those commonalities are the tenets upon which the West was built.

Are there stark differences? Sure. But the point is to take where there is commonality and build a civilization that can have a strong, moral, cohesive bond despite the differences.

Of course, there's usually ulterior motives for taking umbrage with the idea of Judeo/Christian values.

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The ceremonial laws from the OT as well as the Jewish oral traditional combined with the Sanctification process as mentioned by Paul, James, and Peter in the NT absolutely 100% do make us quite different. Jews, as a result of these things are very insular in behavior while Christians tend to be the exact opposite as we are commanded to spread the Good News. We are fundamentally at odds with each other in areas that cannot be rectified.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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We will see. I hope you're right but I've seen this playbook many times.

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Then attack the ones doing the misuse. There are always those looking for a reason to criticize Christianity. It's a fallen world. I'm more upset at those that hurt our witness.

Posting things like

"Just had breakfast. It was delicious!

Jesus is King!" sixteen times is obnoxious, immature, and not going to bring anyone to Christ.

https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf

You can read here and go find any legitimate Christian viewpoint on the same issue and see if they are the same or not.

I agree but I thought the OP was about Pastors denouncing the phrase. Maybe I misunderstood. But I see it as early examples of self censorship. And it's coming from religious leaders.

Nanomachines son said:

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Kvetch said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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BusterAg said:

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cr06gis said:

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Christians don't get offended by Christ is King

People that think judeo-Christian is a thing, do.

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I am pro Judeo/Christian values.

Christ is King.

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This post is proving that Judeo and Christian values do not in fact line up. Jews do not believe Christ is King while Christians do and neither side will ever compromise on these issues. Jews still follow OT Deuteronomy and Leviticus ceremonial and civil laws in addition to following the Talmud while Christians only follow the moral laws from those books and believe in absolute forgiveness through Jesus Christ through faith while also following the words of James, Peter, and Paul regarding our behavior in the sanctification process.

I am convinced most of you who proclaim this statement don't actually understand the Bible at all.

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This is nonsense. The idea of Judeo/Christian values isn't to say that Jews and Christians practice religion in the same manner or believe all the same things to be true. It's a recognition that the moral foundation of both religions are born out of the same fundamental tenets and that those commonalities are the tenets upon which the West was built.

Are there stark differences? Sure. But the point is to take where there is commonality and build a civilization that can have a strong, moral, cohesive bond despite the differences.

Of course, there's usually ulterior motives for taking umbrage with the idea of Judeo/Christian values.

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The ceremonial laws from the OT as well as the Jewish oral traditional combined with the Sanctification process as mentioned by Paul, James, and Peter in the NT absolutely 100% do make us quite different. Jews, as a result of these things are very insular in behavior while Christians tend to be the exact opposite as we are commanded to spread the Good News. We are fundamentally at odds with each other in areas that cannot be rectified.

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Cool. Breaking news. There are beliefs that make each religion different than the other. Got it.

How about we take basic tenets that apply to both, like say the 10 commandments, and build a civilization that allows prosperity for all. Like how we did it despite your nonsense protestations that the Jew and Gentile cannot coexist and have absolutely no commonality in moral belief.

By the way, Jesus was a Jew, and the Bible lays out the role of the Jews as Gods chosen people. Replacement theology is heresy. Those who turn their backs on the Jews are at odds with Christ.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf

You can read here and go find any legitimate Christian viewpoint on the same issue and see if they are the same or not.

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I can find you plenty of "Christian" churches that wave pride flags and cheer abortion. Try harder.