SPACEX Launches rescue mission to ISS

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Quad Dog
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No space vehicle coming home is completely safe.
They all have varrying degrees of risk. IMO the option chosen had the least risk and least impact to ISS crew rotation and launch schedules. Until that option was available to Butch had Suni higher risk options were available to them if needed in an emergency.
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Logos Stick said:

Libs are praying too.
...to Satan.
DannyDuberstein
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Until they weren't.

High risk options followed by no options. But no, not stuck. Definitely not stuck.
DannyDuberstein
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Sidenote, I'm not stuck on earth either. I just don't have a safe enough ride to the moon just yet. the giant catapult I built in my yard is an option, but just not deemed safe enough
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Logos Stick said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Prosperdick said:

I swear to God Elon or Trump could literally cure cancer and it would be spun as negative, I f***ing guarantee it.


There are some that would refuse treatment. Honestly.


100%

Had Trump taken office in 2021, most libs would not have taken the vax imo.
I've had that though exercise too and not only would most libs refuse the vax there would have been a media spotlight on all the vax injured and they probably would have impeached Trump over it. Of course that would have been probably the 5th or 6th impeachment by that point.

If you're a lib reading this you know I'm right and you should be ashamed but since you're a lib I guarantee you're not.
Silent For Too Long
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Your spin here is pathetic.

The bottom line is they were left with some terribly ****ty and risky options for purely political reasons.

Stop simping for evil people.
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DannyDuberstein said:

Until they weren't.

High risk options followed by no options. But no, not stuck. Definitely not stuck.

Incorrect, there was always an option, even if a higher risk option. Higher risk options is a different thing than 0 options. 0 options would be stranded. As far as I know the higher risk options were never considered too high to be equivalent to unusable
Rockdoc
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Unfortunately you just don't know what you're talking about. Give it up.
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Silent For Too Long said:

Your spin here is pathetic.

The bottom line is they were left with some terribly ****ty and risky options for purely political reasons.

Stop simping for evil people.

No spin, just facts. Even if Biden had chosen the quick Dragon option they probably would have been on ISS with a leaky Starliner as their only option for a month or so while the quick Dragon was prepared.
I'm not exactly sure what Musk meant by political reasons. Any decision made by the President and NASA Administration with a lot of money involved will always be a political decision.
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Mas89 said:

CanyonAg77 said:

Beautiful launch. Daughter's friend and Zoomie classmate is on board (Ayers)
Is she the one with long hair in braids?

The blonde on the left. USAFA class 2011 ring on right hand

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Rockdoc said:

Unfortunately you just don't know what you're talking about. Give it up.
lol
RogerFurlong
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So you're saying it was too expensive to bring them back?
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Quad Dog said:

There honestly weren't very many great options:
Fly home on a leaky Starliner with some risk to Crew health and the probable end to Boeing program if it went bad
Risk a landing on Crew-8 with DIY seats and no suits.
Fly up a quick Dragon with 0 or two crew to bring them home soon. This would change ISS crew rotation and probably make the normal ISS crew of 7 down to 3. This quick option would also mess with the Dragon readinesss for Crew 9, Crew 10, and Axiom 3 launches.

They choose the option they chose: keep all the planned rotations and launches, change their designation from Starliner to Crew 9, and fly up Crew 9 with 2 crew, but come home with 4
Blah blah blah blah….

I've got your dragon.
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RogerFurlong said:

So you're saying it was too expensive to bring them back?

I don't know the details. Musk doesn't seem to be the kind of businessman to give a Dragon and Falcon launch for free. Even if, best case, he did give one for free. That Dragon would have have been taken from the schedule for Crew 9, Crew 10 or Axiom 3. Axiom is a paying customer that pays NASA to host their people in ISS. Impacting their launch would have cost money.
A dragon launch is $140 million. Axiom pays NASA $55 million per seat.
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Quad Dog said:

Silent For Too Long said:

Your spin here is pathetic.

The bottom line is they were left with some terribly ****ty and risky options for purely political reasons.

Stop simping for evil people.

No spin, just facts. Even if Biden had chosen the quick Dragon option they probably would have been on ISS with a leaky Starliner as their only option for a month or so while the quick Dragon was prepared.
I'm not exactly sure what Musk meant by political reasons. Any decision made by the President and NASA Administration with a lot of money involved will always be a political decision.


Biden? Sure. Biden was sitting around working up plans to save the stranded astronauts. Sure he was.
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I would hope not. Experts came up with plans and options. Some combination of Biden and Administrator Nelson and other officials weighed the options, costs, impacts, and risks to come to a decision.
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Did any of the younger people on F16 hear of the tv sitcom, Gilligan's Island??? The protagonists went on a yacht for what was supposed to be a three hour tour and were buffeted by a storm and ended up stranded on an island for 98 episodes from 1964 - 1967, the longest three hour tour in television history.
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WolfCall said:

Did any of the younger people on F16 hear of the tv sitcom, Gilligan's Island??? The protagonists went on a yacht for what was supposed to be a three hour tour and were buffeted by a storm and ended up stranded on an island for 98 episodes from 1964 - 1967, the longest three hour tour in television history.

The Professor spent most of the episodes attempting to make a radio out of coconut shells.
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Quad Dog said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Until they weren't.

High risk options followed by no options. But no, not stuck. Definitely not stuck.

Incorrect, there was always an option, even if a higher risk option. Higher risk options is a different thing than 0 options. 0 options would be stranded. As far as I know the higher risk options were never considered too high to be equivalent to unusable


In all your previous 'goal tending' comments, this was the first to explicitly admit there was indeed a "RISK" in using the other avenues of escape you kept adamantly mentioning to rebut the applicability of the word "stranded."

Yet, you continue to dismiss the notion that perhaps these astronauts weren't brought back beforehand because the use of those avenues didn't outweigh the elevated risks posed by their condition &/or in their actual use as an escape vehicle absent some immediate, catastrophic emergency occuring on the space station where caution is thrown to the wind.

In other words, your responses appear disingenuous, as if you're reading from a script or something to protect the messaging or narrative surrounding this event; why not shift gears away from what "stranded" actually means & instead try saying something positive & hopeful that this current rescue attempt is successful?!?! Seriously, is that too hard to do?
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Quad Dog said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Until they weren't.

High risk options followed by no options. But no, not stuck. Definitely not stuck.

Incorrect, there was always an option, even if a higher risk option. Higher risk options is a different thing than 0 options. 0 options would be stranded. As far as I know the higher risk options were never considered too high to be equivalent to unusable
They could have exited the ISS and hoped they could flail their arms hard and fast enough to get back to Earth as an option. A high risk option, but an option nonetheless. Being stranded would be preferable.
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WolfCall said:

Did any of the younger people on F16 hear of the tv sitcom, Gilligan's Island??? The protagonists went on a yacht for what was supposed to be a three hour tour and were buffeted by a storm and ended up stranded on an island for 98 episodes from 1964 - 1967, the longest three hour tour in television history.

Thurston Howell III could have reached out via cell phone to his old pickle ball partner Elon Musk and had them all rescued in Season 1 Episode 1. Unfortunately for the Minnownites, neither cell phones nor pickle ball had been invented.
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Anyone who pays even the slightest attention to NASA knows they are big on contingencies. if not pre-planned, then certainly adapted and improvised. What's going on with Butch and Suni is par for the course for the space program.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Prosperdick said:

I swear to God Elon or Trump could literally cure cancer and it would be spun as negative, I f***ing guarantee it.
Yeah, the lies are just obnoxious.


My personal favorite:
"Trump's ear was hit by a piece of the shattered teleprompter, NOT the bullet!!!"
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Prosperdick said:

I swear to God Elon or Trump could literally cure cancer and it would be spun as negative, I f***ing guarantee it.


Trump: Rescues child from drowning in the ocean

Liberal MSM and F16CMs: "Trump starves the sharks!!"
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DannyDuberstein said:

They weren't stranded, guys. It was just deemed way too dangerous to have them come home lol. Until, of course, there was then no way to get home for the last 6 months. But not stranded at all.


Elon specifically said on the Joe Rogan podcast that they could've gotten them early but were not allowed for political reasons. I'm gonna go ahead and believe the guy with the rockets.
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Quad Dog said:

DannyDuberstein said:

Until they weren't.

High risk options followed by no options. But no, not stuck. Definitely not stuck.

Incorrect, there was always an option, even if a higher risk option. Higher risk options is a different thing than 0 options. 0 options would be stranded. As far as I know the higher risk options were never considered too high to be equivalent to unusable


Is one of the options to spacewalk towards Earth and re-entry that way? Probably too risky? Because as long as that's AN option also not stranded right?
CanyonAg77
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Yep, just like the people in the burning World Trade Center had the option to jump out of the 110th story windows
Kozmozag
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Biden/Zients/obama made a political decison to leave them up there. Why is Nelson still running nasa, dude needs to be ****canned immediately. Ans why were two seniors sent to space to begin with. They are going to be seriously messd up when they get down. 62 and 59?
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Prosperdick said:

I swear to God Elon or Trump could literally cure cancer and it would be spun as negative, I f***ing guarantee it.
Trump wants to make oncologists unemployed!!!!
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Prosperdick said:

I swear to God Elon or Trump could literally cure cancer and it would be spun as negative, I f***ing guarantee it.


Remember when Trump got the Covid vaccine developed and through FDA red tape and then the only people complaining were maga conservatives?

Pepperidge Farm remembers...
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And then we really go mad when it was used as a weapon to control us.
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Kenneth_2003 said:

agdoc2001 said:

Quad Dog said:

So much wrong. There weren't stranded there. The mission to bring them home launched in Sept. The mission that launched today isn't being them home. They'll come home in about a week.


Exactly. They could have left any time they wanted. All they had to do was get on their space ship…………oh wait.

Well... They were NEVER without a ride home.

When Starliner was there it was their primary ride. If there was an emergency they 100% would have left in Starliner.

After Starliner was sent home empty they still has a ride home, although less than optimal in the Crew8 Dragon (on a cargo pallet).

Now their just part of Crew 9.

They are not, and we're never stranded.


Let's suppose you go on a cruise and the ship breaks down in the middle of the ocean. There's one life boat left, but it has a leak and the engine might stop working before you can get to land. Your choice is to stay on the ship and wait until someone gets to you, or take your chances on the life boat.

Are you stranded? Sure, if there's an emergency on the ship and it starts going down you can jump in the life boat and hope for the best. You technically have a way off the ship. But it's currently more dangerous than being on the ship.

Are you stranded?
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Rescue mission, lol. It's just a crew replacement mission. No need to add dramatic descriptions to it like the media.
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waitwhat? said:

Kenneth_2003 said:

agdoc2001 said:

Quad Dog said:

So much wrong. There weren't stranded there. The mission to bring them home launched in Sept. The mission that launched today isn't being them home. They'll come home in about a week.


Exactly. They could have left any time they wanted. All they had to do was get on their space ship…………oh wait.

Well... They were NEVER without a ride home.

When Starliner was there it was their primary ride. If there was an emergency they 100% would have left in Starliner.

After Starliner was sent home empty they still has a ride home, although less than optimal in the Crew8 Dragon (on a cargo pallet).

Now their just part of Crew 9.

They are not, and we're never stranded.


Let's suppose you go on a cruise and the ship breaks down in the middle of the ocean. There's one life boat left, but it has a leak and the engine might stop working before you can get to land. Your choice is to stay on the ship and wait until someone gets to you, or take your chances on the life boat.

Are you stranded? Sure, if there's an emergency on the ship and it starts going down you can jump in the life boat and hope for the best. You technically have a way off the ship. But it's currently more dangerous than being on the ship.

Are you stranded?
Those folks on Gilligan's Island weren't stranded. They got off the island in 1978. They were just inconvenienced.
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milner79 said:

WolfCall said:

Did any of the younger people on F16 hear of the tv sitcom, Gilligan's Island??? The protagonists went on a yacht for what was supposed to be a three hour tour and were buffeted by a storm and ended up stranded on an island for 98 episodes from 1964 - 1967, the longest three hour tour in television history.

Thurston Howell III could have reached out via cell phone to his old pickle ball partner Elon Musk and had them all rescued in Season 1 Episode 1. Unfortunately for the Minnownites, neither cell phones nor pickle ball had been invented.
They played coconut ball. The precursor.
 
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