PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Completely agree. I said this before in another thread, but it was also unwise for Z to try to go toe to toe withTrump in Zelensky's 2nd language. He lacks the timing and delivery needed to "win" that exchange.

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His second language is Russian. He lacks some other things too, to 'win' in that office/exchange.

Rapier108 said:

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LOL, who cares.

If they love him so much, they can do without our help.

This is not the gotcha the OP thinks it is.

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OP isn't very intelligent

doubledog said:

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InfantryAg said:

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astros4545 said:

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Pumpkinhead said:

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Were the dead soldiers and families of dead soldiers polled?

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If a foreign army invaded and killed my family member, I would fully support killing every single last one of them.

What makes you think they are different?

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This is about supporting an unlimited war. What were the lessons learned from of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Zelinsky is acting like he is a rock star, not the leader of Ukraine.

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Cool. I didn't even address that, I just made a point that the dead sildiers families may support zelenski and the war.

Cheetah01 said:

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No one is saying they shouldn't. By all means they should fight as long as they want. However, if they expect support, then those providing support have a right to exercise sober judgement in how the resources are being used and the likelihood of success. This is how financial decisions are made. You don't walk into a bank and ask money without showing a plan for your use of the money and you especially don't treat the bank manager with disdain while asking. That's essentially what happened.

If the US was actually invaded and at war as your hypothetical suggests, do you honestly believe anyone would be spending unlimited resources to help us (even without Trump in office)? They might make some strong remarks and make some pro forma gestures, but they wouldn't fund an unending resistance even if we did have a likelihood of success.

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I didn't address any of this, just made a point.

Since you brought it up to me...
I don't care how ling this war goes on. So many posters here want us to withdraw from the world, and then poof, now we care about ending the war because so many arw dying.
More dead russians is a net positive for us. We just have to determine a good price for it.

The money we have spent so far has shown us they are not a near peer enemy, but in fact a weak enemy. We can pull back from european defense spending.
It has also given us insights into future war, especially drone warfare.
The money we have spent has been the single biggest bang for the buck in natiinal defense spending since WWII.

Much better than so many high dollar dod programs.

If we had competent leadership the previos 4 years, putin would be gone. Insteas we enabled china, iran and north korea to bale out russia. That and gutting our energy sector, allowing russia to keep selling energy to finance the war.

Also, we fought the brits using french funding. They didn't do it out of kindness, they did it out of self interest.

68% of who was polled? ukranians?


99% of Dems love them some Biden even though he is a disaster for the US. Drugs, foolishness and cults do strange things to people.

Z has been terrible for the Ukraine.

From my perspective he can have 100% approval. I just don't want another one of my dollars going to him or his cronies.

Pumpkin, I think the hate for Zelensky (and possibly Ukraine) is multifaceted. It goes to politics during the first Trump term and the 2020 election. It goes to corruption within America and the political families and senators that become extraordinarily rich during their terms. Impeachment was predicated on this ridiculous war and Ukrainian corruption. It goes to America becoming the world police while simultaneously destabilizing many regions during the color revolution era, including the shenanigans around 2014 that people seem to have forgotten. I think people are tired of seemingly infinite aid to everyone but American citizens. People are tired of patriotism being much fervent towards a foreign country rather than America. The obvious propaganda flooding social media is ridiculous. Ukraine has always been corrupt, but were also useful to American interests. Now we hear they are some beacon of Democracy. I think mostly people are just tired of the bull**** and Ukraine has become a lightning rod. I know my Polish friends have a much different and simpler opinion. They just hate the Ukrainians because they act entitled and even to the Polish (who are quite self-deprecating), they are a trashy people.

rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

Ulysses90 said:

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The United States held elections in 1864

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And that was with a president who pissed all over the Constitution.

EVA3 said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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The United States held elections in 1864

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And that was with a president who pissed all over the Constitution.

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As did FDR throughout the 30's and 40's, fwiw.

PabloSerna said:

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Is there any possibility Ukraine signs a rare earth mineral deal with the EU instead?

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I'd be 100% okay with this. Let EU fund 100% of the war and collect 100% of the bounty. Time to walk away.

Ulysses90 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

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How can Ukraine have elections when Russia is attacking the locations were polling would take place?

Will Putin suspend the attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure for Ukrainian elections?

Did they steal all the money we paid to operate their postal service too?

rgvag11 said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

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How can Ukraine have elections when Russia is attacking the locations were polling would take place?

Will Putin suspend the attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure for Ukrainian elections?

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That's a helluva strawman right there…

rgvag11 said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

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How can Ukraine have elections when Russia is attacking the locations were polling would take place?

Will Putin suspend the attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure for Ukrainian elections?

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The the same way that they distribute food, water, and medical supplies to those locations. The Ukraine economy and internal lines of communication seem to be functioning reasonably well. Perhaps they can hire some consultants from the DNC to help them implement to mail in voting schemes used in the US in 2020 during the COVID pandemic.

Edit: Perhaps the most ironic thing about the silent acceptance of indefinitely suspended elections in Ukraine is that the world's foremost philanthropist for promoting "democracy," George Soros, has not spoken a word or lifted a finger to suggest that his vast resources and many organizations that promote democratically elected governments around the globe hasn't stepped up to offer to help Ukraine hold an election to silence the critics of Zelenskyy's legitimacy once and for all. Could it be that George Soros only cares about democracy until the moment that his preferred dictator takes power?

Really? That is your argument?

FireAg said:

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rgvag11 said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

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How can Ukraine have elections when Russia is attacking the locations were polling would take place?

Will Putin suspend the attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure for Ukrainian elections?

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That's a helluva strawman right there…

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If you squint his username checks out....

87IE said:

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FireAg said:

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rgvag11 said:

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Ulysses90 said:

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rgvag11 said:

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⚡️ Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Trump clash, poll shows.

The most significant jump came after the Feb. 28 Oval Office meeting, which ended in a public dispute with U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President JD Vance.https://t.co/tjP5Ye1XN9

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) March 7, 2025

https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.

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I believe the actual language in the constitution is "state of emergency." It shouldn't be overlooked that the state of emergency declared by Zelenskyy grants powers to the President that he doesn't normally have, among those powers the Indefinite postponement of elections. Funny how that works.

For someone as popular as Zelenskyy, it would seem that he could suspend the state of emergency long enough to hold elections in order to prove how popular he is and the mandate that he claims. Instead, he signed Ukrainian law 7172-1 that let's him unilaterally outlaw any political party he seems a threat and to seize their assets.

The United States held elections in 1864 and 1944.

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How can Ukraine have elections when Russia is attacking the locations were polling would take place?

Will Putin suspend the attacks on civilian populations and infrastructure for Ukrainian elections?

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That's a helluva strawman right there…

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If you squint his username checks out....

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I "vag"uely see what you did there…

I'm glad someone finally said it.

I think it everytime he (she?) posts.