Pumpkinhead said:
Sincere question:
Why the hate for Zelensky?
Look, I get the argument that this war needs to end and U.S. tax dollars need to stop going over there. I get it. But you could feel the money flow needs to stop and that war needs to end while still having some empathy for and understanding that guy's difficult position and the position of his people. They can be mutually exclusive things.
If YOU were in this guy's shoes back on 2022...Ukraine was YOUR country...what would you have done differently than he had done? You'd have immediately surrendered to the Russians because you wouldn't have had the stomach for a fight? You wouldn't have been begging/borrowing doing anything you could to try to fund raise $$$$ to support your troops from other countries?
If you are upset about the $$$ then why not blame the people who gave him the money, rather than blame him even asking for it?
Is the hate because he's been labeled a 'dictator' by some? How are they supposed to hold logistically execute an election over there if right now 7 million are outside the country as refugees, another million are on the front lines, 20% of the territory is occupied by hostile forces, etc. Do we really expect them to somehow hold an election under such circumstances that would produce a politically stable result?
What you first need is the war to stop in such circumstances then you do an election.
Do you think the guy has been stealing a bunch of money? If so, exactly how and how much (verified proof)? Is literally stacks of cash being sent over there to Zelensky's bank account or has the '$$$' value been delivered in the form of humanitarian assistance, supplies, weapons systems and vehicles, ammunition,, etc.? If it is the latter, is there some kind of indication that much of that assistance has somehow been diverted from their war effort?
Clearly at least decent amount of that assistance has been used as intended, given the Russians have taken a beating as well in this 3-year fight. The Ukrainians haven't been throwing rocks at the Russians.
Again...this war should stop. Wanting to stop funding it is totally justified. But the hate for this guy who has been trying to lead his country in very difficult circumstances in a very difficult fight, I just don't get that angle.
FWIW, I don't hate him.
I do think his behavior in the last 6 months has been detrimental from Ukraine's perspective.
Before the election his ambassador arranged a campaign trip with the Democrats (ok, she was hedging that Kamala would win). They lost the bet. There was no recalibration on his part. That was either poor politics, or arrogance.. As soon as Trump won, she should have been recalled. Reset the relationship. But nope.
Instead Z came to the US, and his behavior was arrogant and irrational if not despicable.
He acted more like a Democrat party leader, than the head of Ukraine. For a man who is completely dependent on the US to survive.
I do think he is brave, he could have very easily escaped Ukraine when Russia invaded, and to his immense credit he stayed, and stalled the invasion.
However, at this point, I believe he is a liability for Ukraine.