Zelensky's approval rating jumps to 68% after Oval Office meeting

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rgvag11
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https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.
BigRobSA
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LOL Ok

That "poll" and 5 bucks both get you jack and *****
PlaneCrashGuy
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And I have a bridge in San Francisco to sell to anyone who buys that
rgvag11
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BigRobSA said:

LOL Ok

That "poll" and 5 bucks both get you jack and *****
Not true, my friend.
AgResearch
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Totally not propaganda at all...
Rapier108
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LOL, who cares.

If they love him so much, they can do without our help.

This is not the gotcha the OP thinks it is.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
rgvag11
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Not everything in life is a gotcha.
Rockdoc
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rgvag11 said:

Not everything in life is a gotcha.

It is for libs.
Logos Stick
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Fine. Screw him and Ukraine. Cut them off!
Cheetah01
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Great. That means it's not just Z that has a problem with us, it's 2/3 of Ukrainians. Good luck with all that.

B-1 83
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It's almost like the actor put on a show for his constituents to save face before coming to the table. Part 1 done……and Trump is putting part 2 in play by threatening to ramp up sanctions on Russia.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
flashplayer
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Odds the Kiev "Independent" paper is not in Z's hip pocket…..I'm thinking zero percent.
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rgvag11 said:


https://x.com/i/grok/share/UJpDculGxWznDxgTTMNC9cVkp

I know Ukrainian legislation prevents elections from being held during times of war, but Z would crush it.
In other news, dictators tend to be popular.
Saddam used to win 99% of the vote.

Z needs to do better.
captkirk
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Quote:

according to a poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology
TAMUallen
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Didn't Ukraine support drop like a stone in the USA?
Dirty_Mike&the_boys
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Yeah sure. The EU gave Zelenskyy the stiff arm when he came begging for money yesterday and they are getting the hell bombed out of them as of yesterday by Putin. Zelenskyy is going to Riyadh with his beggars cup and will likely be told to piss off as well.

Just keep believing that nonsense poll
“ How you fellas doin? We about to have us a little screw party in this red Prius over here if you wanna join us.”
Artimus Gordon
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Good! They need to vote with their pocketbooks so we can get Z off the U.S. tit. Plus they can buy equipment from at inflated prices with a tariff to pay back the $350 billion Biden gave them. and got diddly squat in return except for a leach for the rest of his term.
Squadron7
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Waiting to hear how Trump getting Europe to begin adequately funding their own defense after 80 years is somehow a bad thing.
annie88
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That's amazingly pathetic. Again the left called this guy a horrible fascist dictator during Trump's first term. Then somehow he became a hero. I guess acting like a little **** throwing a temper tantrum makes you a hero in Ukraine.

Regardless, he's still gonna capitulate to Trump.
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Cheetah01 said:

Great. That means it's not just Z that has a problem with us, it's 2/3 of Ukrainians. Good luck with all that.


Oh, no! They'll beg us for more money!
rocky the dog
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Elections are when people find out what politicians stand for, and politicians find out what people will fall for.
Tom Kazansky 2012
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flashplayer said:

Odds the Kiev "Independent" paper is not in Z's hip pocket…..I'm thinking zero percent.
He shut down all the critical media publications and idiots here still think polls in the OP are real.
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BigRobSA said:

LOL Ok

That "poll" and 5 bucks both get you jack and *****


I have some insight here that I'm not going to get into and I believe that poll is probably true. Zelensky is fighting for his country and is unwilling to compromise. I can see how Ukrainians who are fighting for their existence would support him pushing back on Trump.

That doesn't mean it's in our best interest to back Zelensky in a never ending fight for survival. But I can guarantee you that most Ukrainians favor Zelenskys approach over Trumps approach.
backintexas2013
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BigRobSA said:

LOL Ok

That "poll" and 5 bucks both get you jack and *****
DCAggie13y said:


I have some insight here that I'm not going to get into and I believe that poll is probably true. Zelensky is fighting for his country and is unwilling to compromise. I can see how Ukrainians who are fighting for their existence would support him pushing back on Trump.

That doesn't mean it's in our best interest to back Zelensky in a never ending fight for survival. But I can guarantee you that most Ukrainians favor Zelenskys approach over Trumps approach.



It's easy to be a hero with other people's money. Just like libs who are so compassionate with other people's money.
Squadron7
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In related news, XI Jinping enjoys a 100% approval rate according to Beijing Institute of International Studies.
Champion of Fireball
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[Personal attacks are out of bounds -- Staff]
PabloSerna
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Is there any possibility Ukraine signs a rare earth mineral deal with the EU instead?
flashplayer
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PabloSerna said:

Is there any possibility Ukraine signs a rare earth mineral deal with the EU instead?


Only if they want to turn around and fork all that rare earth metal money up to start taking on funding a US absent NATO, because that is exactly how you get a US absent NATO.
Pumpkinhead
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Sincere question:

Why the hate for Zelensky?

Look, I get the argument that this war needs to end and U.S. tax dollars need to stop going over there. I get it. But you could feel the money flow needs to stop and that war needs to end while still having some empathy for and understanding that guy's difficult position and the position of his people. They can be mutually exclusive things.

If YOU were in this guy's shoes back on 2022...Ukraine was YOUR country...what would you have done differently than he had done? You'd have immediately surrendered to the Russians because you wouldn't have had the stomach for a fight? You wouldn't have been begging/borrowing doing anything you could to try to fund raise $$$$ to support your troops from other countries?

If you are upset about the $$$ then why not blame the people who gave him the money, rather than blame him even asking for it?

Is the hate because he's been labeled a 'dictator' by some? How are they supposed to hold logistically execute an election over there if right now 7 million are outside the country as refugees, another million are on the front lines, 20% of the territory is occupied by hostile forces, etc. Do we really expect them to somehow hold an election under such circumstances that would produce a politically stable result?

What you first need is the war to stop in such circumstances then you do an election.

Do you think the guy has been stealing a bunch of money? If so, exactly how and how much (verified proof)? Is literally stacks of cash being sent over there to Zelensky's bank account or has the '$$$' value been delivered in the form of humanitarian assistance, supplies, weapons systems and vehicles, ammunition,, etc.? If it is the latter, is there some kind of indication that much of that assistance has somehow been diverted from their war effort?

Clearly at least decent amount of that assistance has been used as intended, given the Russians have taken a beating as well in this 3-year fight. The Ukrainians haven't been throwing rocks at the Russians.

Again...this war should stop. Wanting to stop funding it is totally justified. But the hate for this guy who has been trying to lead his country in very difficult circumstances in a very difficult fight, I just don't get that angle.

Yesterday
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So we don't spend as much and the EU is spending more. Tell me again why this is bad?
deddog
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rocky the dog said:


That's because this is an AI pup Rocky.
deddog
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Pumpkinhead said:

Sincere question:

Why the hate for Zelensky?

Look, I get the argument that this war needs to end and U.S. tax dollars need to stop going over there. I get it. But you could feel the money flow needs to stop and that war needs to end while still having some empathy for and understanding that guy's difficult position and the position of his people. They can be mutually exclusive things.

If YOU were in this guy's shoes back on 2022...Ukraine was YOUR country...what would you have done differently than he had done? You'd have immediately surrendered to the Russians because you wouldn't have had the stomach for a fight? You wouldn't have been begging/borrowing doing anything you could to try to fund raise $$$$ to support your troops from other countries?

If you are upset about the $$$ then why not blame the people who gave him the money, rather than blame him even asking for it?

Is the hate because he's been labeled a 'dictator' by some? How are they supposed to hold logistically execute an election over there if right now 7 million are outside the country as refugees, another million are on the front lines, 20% of the territory is occupied by hostile forces, etc. Do we really expect them to somehow hold an election under such circumstances that would produce a politically stable result?

What you first need is the war to stop in such circumstances then you do an election.

Do you think the guy has been stealing a bunch of money? If so, exactly how and how much (verified proof)? Is literally stacks of cash being sent over there to Zelensky's bank account or has the '$$$' value been delivered in the form of humanitarian assistance, supplies, weapons systems and vehicles, ammunition,, etc.? If it is the latter, is there some kind of indication that much of that assistance has somehow been diverted from their war effort?

Clearly at least decent amount of that assistance has been used as intended, given the Russians have taken a beating as well in this 3-year fight. The Ukrainians haven't been throwing rocks at the Russians.

Again...this war should stop. Wanting to stop funding it is totally justified. But the hate for this guy who has been trying to lead his country in very difficult circumstances in a very difficult fight, I just don't get that angle.


FWIW, I don't hate him.
I do think his behavior in the last 6 months has been detrimental from Ukraine's perspective.

Before the election his ambassador arranged a campaign trip with the Democrats (ok, she was hedging that Kamala would win). They lost the bet. There was no recalibration on his part. That was either poor politics, or arrogance.. As soon as Trump won, she should have been recalled. Reset the relationship. But nope.

Instead Z came to the US, and his behavior was arrogant and irrational if not despicable.
He acted more like a Democrat party leader, than the head of Ukraine. For a man who is completely dependent on the US to survive.

I do think he is brave, he could have very easily escaped Ukraine when Russia invaded, and to his immense credit he stayed, and stalled the invasion.

However, at this point, I believe he is a liability for Ukraine.
Pumpkinhead
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Given how miserable and difficult conditions the people and troops are under over there, I'm buying that Zelensky is probably majority supported by the population otherwise there would have been notable signs of uprisings and coup attempts that Zelensky would have had to have to been putting down.

Basically, the kind of stuff that you typically see from the Dictator playbook to suppress dissent. But I'm not aware of news or signs of significant protest demonstrations being put down over there indicating that the Ukrainians are not mostly behind this guy in the fight against the Russians. Not like FWIW you hear about how things are handled in Moscow where Putin stomps out dissent pretty fast and hard. Does anyone here have evidence to the contrary?
Pumpkinhead
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I totally agree he miscalculated and mishandled Trump the past several weeks. Thanks for the post. I agree with a lot of it.
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DCAggie13y said:


I have some insight here that I'm not going to get into and I believe that poll is probably true. Zelensky is fighting for his country and is unwilling to compromise. I can see how Ukrainians who are fighting for their existence would support him pushing back on Trump.

That doesn't mean it's in our best interest to back Zelensky in a never ending fight for survival. But I can guarantee you that most Ukrainians favor Zelenskys approach over Trumps approach.
backintexas2013 said:



It's easy to be a hero with other people's money. Just like libs who are so compassionate with other people's money.


Yeah think about all the money the US spent in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan to prevent the spread of communism and Islamic extremism. Turned out to be a total waste of money. I think that is how Trump views Ukraine.

However, the people of Ukraine will fight to the death not to live under Russian rule.
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