revvie said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

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That sucks. Sorry for you and your son.
This, again, is the real issue. Outsourcing. Not H1s.

Just Indians. No Albanians or Costa Ricans.

The outsourced jobs pay $5000-$12000 a year. Only keeping experienced employees for "incident management". He's on the bubble he thinks for this round, but only till they get experience.

deddog said:

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revvie said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

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That sucks. Sorry for you and your son.
This, again, is the real issue. Outsourcing. Not H1s.

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People on this site wont care, they got theirs. Next generation struggles are due to their "laziness"

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deddog said:

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HollywoodBQ said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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Looks like American Airlines is going all out on layoffs and insourcing/outsourcing

🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸🇮🇳🇺🇸

Got a bombshell tip from a sharp insider!

Ganesh Jayaram, the new Chief Information Officer (CIO) at American Airlines, wasted no time gutting the tech workforce. First order of business?

Shipping all tech jobs straight to Hyderabad, India. But it… pic.twitter.com/VgLIv86ifY

— Kumar Exclusive (@KumarExclusive) March 4, 2025

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No surprise, Indian outsourcing jobs to his home country, India.

Indian tech execs have a reputation for large pro-India bias in hiring and staffing.

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. This and they grow up with the caste system and treat their employees as such.

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Don't forget treating women badly too.

I deal with major amounts of misogyny in a routine basis.

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They also overwhelmingly vote democrat.

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That's the part I can't figure out.

What have the Democrats ever done for Indians?

It's almost like Jews voting Democrat. Doesn't make any damn sense but, they do.

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Elite Richguy voting for the party of Elite Richguys. What's not to understand?

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H1B visas are trash and so are the paper Americans who support them.

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. Elon said he will go to war over H1B. It's going nowhere.

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And vivek is big on H1B, I thought Trump was pro America first?

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am a nationalist, I do not care about foreigners. I will put American citizens before foreigners 100% of the time and before corporations, unless owned by Americans 100% of the time. They should never be allowed to outsource, end of story.

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FIFY. With that caveat, we are in complete agreement.

It is funny you thought I was boomer. I doubt there are many that are more pro American than me. After 9/11, I left my conus civilian gig and spent plenty of time in the GWOT. But Americans own businesses too. You want to target foreign businesses and utilize protectionism, be my guest.

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American citizens should always come before corporations, at all times. The law that makes a corporation similar to a person is absolutely and completely immoral and non-biblical.

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The outsourced jobs pay $5000-$12000 a year. Only keeping experienced employees for "incident management". He's on the bubble he thinks for this round, but only till they get experience.

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Yup, been through this at my last company.
My entire team Dev team got laid off, and all the jobs switched to India.
I got to be incident manager but the Dev team had their own managers.

Basically have your US customers scream at you, and you have no control over the India team. Good luck with that.

Switched to a small private company instead.

revvie said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

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You sure hes not just lazy or entitled? Thats what this site thinks

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texagbeliever said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Well you're not going to get it. The 20% is going to continue to pull away from the bottom 80%

To quote Tropic Thunder, they are a white dwarf headed for oblivion. It's physics.

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This isn't based on data. Pre outsourcing the middle class in America was thriving. As we outsource more and more America will have growing societal problems.

This is seen in urban areas first where the rich to poor ratios are most out of whack. Those areas have.... you guessed it the worst political governance. So yeah it will be your problem if you destroy the middle class it will just be so delayed you won't realize what caused it.

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Are we talking about Los Angeles or Mumbai?

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The rule applies to both, but American urban centers are more what I was talking about.

Nanomachines son said:

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Tom Fox said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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Tom Fox said:

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I'm Gen X bro. I love my nation. I would end SS, Medicare, and Medicaid tonight and let the olds twist in the wind.

But I am for the free market. I want the government out of my business.

I want the bottom 50% to start paying and have skin in the game. What is IninityAgs plan for those that are not pulling their weight. I pay a metric ****ton in taxes and employ 7 Americans. I'm doing my part.

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I am a nationalist, I do not care about foreigners. I will put American citizens before foreigners 100% of the time and before corporations, unless owned by Americans 100% of the time. They should never be allowed to outsource, end of story.

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FIFY. With that caveat, we are in complete agreement.

It is funny you thought I was boomer. I doubt there are many that are more pro American than me. After 9/11, I left my conus civilian gig and spent plenty of time in the GWOT. But Americans own businesses too. You want to target foreign businesses and utilize protectionism, be my guest.

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American citizens should always come before corporations, at all times. The law that makes a corporation similar to a person is absolutely and completely immoral and non-biblical.

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Are you differentiating between corporations and small businesses? .

whytho987654 said:

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deddog said:

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revvie said:

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AggieHammer2000 said:

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revvie said:

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infinity ag said:

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I was reading Teamblind.com and saw this.

The poster is an H1B visa holder working for Amazon and he feels that the long term plan is to offshore all jobs to India and China and slowly make the H1B visa irrelevant (since no jobs will remain in the US anyway). US companies will hire people in their own countries. This will allow Trump to claim a win and assuage the MAGA crowd.

If this is true, the country's tech sector will suffer in the long run (while making high profits short term) as all the innovation will happen overseas.

My take on this is the H1B visa scheme is severely games by US corporations and Indian/Chinese body-shopping companies. They all make money and US citizens do not benefit. H1B was supposed to bring in "top talent", but in reality, it is a cheap labor program to lower salaries in the US. I don't trust Elon Musk to fix this. Will Trump? Not sure, he seems to be in Elon's pocket when it comes to the tech sector.

Read the thread, people talk about the shady things these companies do with faking resumes, experience etc.

https://www.teamblind.com/post/H1B-sunset-is-coming-soon-and-you-know-it-1SoVx3MR



Here is an example of how US Citizens (and US green card holders) are barred from jobs in the US - this one is in Dallas. "No GC & USC".

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Our son works for IBM and he said that about 90% of the new hires in his division are in India, Albania, and Costa Rica.

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Its not just in tech. It's in finance as well.

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Since my last post, son had meeting that they were making changes to his group. Reducing workforce in US to a "incident management team."

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That sucks. Sorry for you and your son.
This, again, is the real issue. Outsourcing. Not H1s.

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People on this site wont care, they got theirs. Next generation struggles are due to their "laziness"

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You will soon see a Boomer come here and brag:

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I lost my job once... I was a Senior VP in XYZ Corp and they outsourced my team to India... then what did I do? I did not sit on my ass, I became a plumber! If I can do it, you can do it. But you are all lazy and do not like hard manual labor.

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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Ok, can you share some things you would do to solve this? You and I both know what we want.

I personally don't care H1B or not. I just want Americans to have jobs and not be gaslit by corporations and random Boomers about Americans not having skill/talent or how lazy they are.

This country wasn't built by lazy people.

deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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I wouldn't describe myself as anti-corporation but I am not a naive republican who was rarah capitalism. Something about being fired for not getting the covid jab does that to you.
These big corporations influence elections and policy solely for their profit. They hide behind the excuse of fiduciary responsibility to maximize their greed. As such I don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they are outsourcing out of need but rather out of greed. Sure some H1Bs make sense. Production in foreign countries can also make sense. But I'd imagine most of the anti-business laws are really written to hamper small business as the big corporations can skirt around them.

infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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Ok, can you share some things you would do to solve this? You and I both know what we want.

I personally don't care H1B or not. I just want Americans to have jobs and not be gaslit by corporations and random Boomers about Americans not having skill/talent or how lazy they are.

This country wasn't built by lazy people.

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I can tell you from my experience, in my industry, and what I've been exposed to:

First, as a country, just be pro business.
This pretty much rules out Democrats - they have destructive ideology based on greed, envy and class warfare.

Corporate tax should be no higher than 15% - ever - anyone who suggests something higher should be executed. It encourages M&A, and prevents a significant money from being parked overseas.

Gut regulation - it's out of control - and a barrier to new entry - which is why big companies love it.
Roughly 10% of time I had architects and Sr.Developers dealing with SOX audits - explaining code to entry level auditors who have all the power - ridiculous. In Tech. I can't even imagine what it's like in banking, insurance etc.

H1B needs to be revamped, we need to be selective about talent. Not just get new folks in to suppress wages. but we need to get the brightest talent here.

Health care costs - I don't know the solution but for a small company these are brutal. It makes it very hard to compete with bigger companies for talent. And so we end up looking for contractors. And when you end up hiring contractors, the logical next step is to hire overseas contractors.

Stop being punitive to corporations, don't buy into decades of subliminal Marxist training.
At the same time, stop bailing out companies when they **** up (GM should not be around). When shareholders make poor decisions, and give CEOs ridiculous packages, they need to pay the price

Get politics out of business - everyone knew ESG and DEI are horrendous ideas, but politicians keep pushing this garbage. Affects hiring, leads to bad policy and bad decisions . Which is why I like Trump. He understands what it takes to run a business, and make payroll. Unlike dumbasses like Pocahontas and AOC.

deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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Ok, can you share some things you would do to solve this? You and I both know what we want.

I personally don't care H1B or not. I just want Americans to have jobs and not be gaslit by corporations and random Boomers about Americans not having skill/talent or how lazy they are.

This country wasn't built by lazy people.

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I can tell you from my experience, in my industry, and what I've been exposed to:

First, as a country, just be pro business.
This pretty much rules out Democrats - they have destructive ideology based on greed, envy and class warfare.

Corporate tax should be no higher than 15% - ever - anyone who suggests something higher should be executed. It encourages M&A, and prevents a significant money from being parked overseas.

Gut regulation - it's out of control - and a barrier to new entry - which is why big companies love it.
Roughly 10% of time I had architects and Sr.Developers dealing with SOX audits - explaining code to entry level auditors who have all the power - ridiculous. In Tech. I can't even imagine what it's like in banking, insurance etc.

H1B needs to be revamped, we need to be selective about talent. Not just get new folks in to supress wages. but we need to get the brightest talent here.

Health care costs - I don't know the solution but for a small company these are brutal. It makes it very hard to compete with bigger companies for talent. And so we end up looking for contractors. And when you end up hiring contractors, the logical next step is to hire overseas contractors.

Stop being punitive to corporations, don't buy into decades of subliminal marxist training.
At the same time, stop bailing out companies when they **** up (GM should not be around). When shareholders make poor decisions, and give CEOs ridiculous packages, they need to pay the price

Get politics out of business - everyone knew ESG and DEI are horrendous ideas, but politicians keep pushing this garbage. Affects hiring, leads to bad policy for bad decisions . Which is why I like Trump. He understands what it takes to run a business, and make payroll. Unlike dumbasses like Pocahontas and AOC.

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Again, well done. TITCR

texagbeliever said:

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deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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I wouldn't describe myself as anti-corporation but I am not a naive republican who was rarah capitalism. Something about being fired for not getting the covid jab does that to you.
These big corporations influence elections and policy solely for their profit. They hide behind the excuse of fiduciary responsibility to maximize their greed. As such I don't give them the benefit of the doubt that they are outsourcing out of need but rather out of greed. Sure some H1Bs make sense. Production in foreign countries can also make sense. But I'd imagine most of the anti-business laws are really written to hamper small business as the big corporations can skirt around them.

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Other than use of the word greed, I agree with you on everything.

I hadn't heard about H1Bs in a long time so I googled and found this.

Looks like Trump Administration is working quietly behind the scenes to make things difficult for Indian "engineers" to continue their invasion.

However, the war has not been won yet. These companies know how to game the system and use other kinds of visas. The only way to stop these companies is to jail the CEO him/herself if their company is caught cheating the system. This is in addition to the fine. CEOs don't care if their company is fined as they don't pay it anyway. It is almost like public money. They do care if they are put behind bars. This is the only deterrent.

Stop these fake engineers from invading us. Scummy Indian companies and slimy Silicon Valley CEOs are both complicit (and of course US politicians).


H-1B visa interest dips as Trump administration bans multiple filings, raises costs for Indian applicants
https://www.businesstoday.in/nri/visa/story/h-1b-visa-interest-dips-as-trump-administration-bans-multiple-filings-raises-costs-for-indian-applicants-467810-2025-03-13

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Hyderabad, home to major multinational companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, has long been a key source of H-1B applicants. However, this year, consultancy firms report an unprecedented drop in interest

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The demand for H-1B visa applications from Hyderabad has plummeted this year, with local consultancies citing rising costs and new filing restrictions as major deterrents. The decline follows a sharp fee hike by the US government and stricter rules limiting multiple applications, according to a report by Times of India.

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Hyderabad, home to major multinational companies like Microsoft, Google, and Amazon, has long been a key source of H-1B applicants. However, this year, consultancy firms report an unprecedented drop in interest.
"I have not even received a single call about H-1B filing until now," told Arun Teja Bukkaparapu to Times of India, who runs a consultancy in Hyderabad. He pointed to growing uncertainty over US job prospects and the increased application feefrom $10 to $215as key factors discouraging applicants.
The new restriction, which allows only one application per individual, tied to a single passport, has also impacted demand. "Earlier, people could submit multiple applications through different employers to improve their chances. That's no longer possible," Bukkaparapu added.

The H-1B visa program in the US allows companies to employ foreign workers in specialized occupations.

• How many visas? The program grants 65,000 visas each year. There are an additional 20,000 visas specifically for individuals who have a master's degree or higher from a US institution.
• Indians and the H-1B: A large number of H-1B visa holders are from India, but there isn't a quota or special reservation specifically for Indian citizens. Everyone competes for the same pool of visas.
• Demand Exceeds Supply: The program is extremely popular. Last year, around 1.5 million applications were filed. However, this number is inflated because many individuals submit multiple applications, leading to approximately 600,000 - 700,000 unique applicants. This high number shows that the demand for H-1B visas far exceeds the available supply.

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deddog said:

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infinity ag said:

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deddog said:

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We've had 4 years of awful policy, not to mention 8 years of Obama.
There is an anti-corporation culture ( you see it in this thread), but a lot of corporate decisions are based around policy. Bad policy forces bad decisions that are bad for americans, and the cycle continues.

Short term red meat (focus on H1s) is not what we need.

Need Trump and Republicans to get their shi$ together, and make it easier to do business in the US, and incentivize companies to create jobs here. The democrats are marxist scum, and you need to oblterate them by making good policy.

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Ok, can you share some things you would do to solve this? You and I both know what we want.

I personally don't care H1B or not. I just want Americans to have jobs and not be gaslit by corporations and random Boomers about Americans not having skill/talent or how lazy they are.

This country wasn't built by lazy people.

---

I can tell you from my experience, in my industry, and what I've been exposed to:

First, as a country, just be pro business.
This pretty much rules out Democrats - they have destructive ideology based on greed, envy and class warfare.

Corporate tax should be no higher than 15% - ever - anyone who suggests something higher should be executed. It encourages M&A, and prevents a significant money from being parked overseas.

Gut regulation - it's out of control - and a barrier to new entry - which is why big companies love it.
Roughly 10% of time I had architects and Sr.Developers dealing with SOX audits - explaining code to entry level auditors who have all the power - ridiculous. In Tech. I can't even imagine what it's like in banking, insurance etc.

H1B needs to be revamped, we need to be selective about talent. Not just get new folks in to suppress wages. but we need to get the brightest talent here.

Health care costs - I don't know the solution but for a small company these are brutal. It makes it very hard to compete with bigger companies for talent. And so we end up looking for contractors. And when you end up hiring contractors, the logical next step is to hire overseas contractors.

Stop being punitive to corporations, don't buy into decades of subliminal Marxist training.
At the same time, stop bailing out companies when they **** up (GM should not be around). When shareholders make poor decisions, and give CEOs ridiculous packages, they need to pay the price

Get politics out of business - everyone knew ESG and DEI are horrendous ideas, but politicians keep pushing this garbage. Affects hiring, leads to bad policy and bad decisions . Which is why I like Trump. He understands what it takes to run a business, and make payroll. Unlike dumbasses like Pocahontas and AOC.

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Sorry for the late reply. Just saw this. Good post.
Of course I don't agree with everything you say but with most things. However step 1 is urgent surgery so I am for scrapping H1B and then replacing it with a new program with the loopholes ironed out. If the goal is wage suppression, then it should say so. Be open and laws should not lie to the American people like H1B does.