I wonder how many actual Asians are commenting on this thread vs people who are making judgments about Asians without knowing much more than they have a friend who's Asian…..they're not balanced or happy because they don't play sports and get pushed by their parents to succeed. They're socially awkward, etc etc.

Take a look at society especially in this country and look at the races, cultures and attitudes that are causing all the issues.

Do you know why cops don't shoot Asians in traffic stops? Because Asians don't commit violent crime. Therefore, cops aren't on edge when they pull them over. Regardless of how you want to racially stereotype Asians, they're a very successful group in this country and the world because by and large they're respectful, law abiding, mind their own business, believe in family, education and working hard….oh, and they're also very smart as a collective group.

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I wonder how many actual Asians are commenting on this thread vs people who are making judgments about Asians without knowing much more than they have a friend who's Asian…..they're not balanced or happy because they don't play sports and get pushed by their parents to succeed. They're socially awkward, etc etc.

Take a look at society especially in this country and look at the races, cultures and attitudes that are causing all the issues.

Do you know why cops don't shoot Asians in traffic stops? Because Asians don't commit violent crime. Therefore, cops aren't on edge when they pull them over. Regardless of how you want to racially stereotype Asians, they're a very successful group in this country and the world because by and large they're respectful, law abiding, mind their own business, believe in family, education and working hard….oh, and they're also very smart as a collective group.

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I know a couple here posting are Asian.

The rest don't know about the Asian culture. They stereotype because the Crackers are white and in their little worlds

Mega Lops said:

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There's a reason this is a meme

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I'm reminded of an Asian parent grading scale meme made by a former boss (who was Filipino):

• A = Average
• B = Below average
• C = Can't have dinner
• D = Don't come home
• F = Find a new family

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Mega Lops said:

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There's a reason this is a meme

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I'm reminded of an Asian parent grading scale meme made by a former boss (who was Filipino):

• A = Average
• B = Below average
• C = Can't have dinner
• D = Don't come home
• F = Find a new family

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My Filipino father would have agreed with this when he was alive!

We are white, but people jokingly say we parent like Asians. Our boys compete in math olympics and TAPPS academic team events, play in a chess league, etc. They get most of their white friends from playing sports, but otherwise they tend to hang with Asian kids.

When I was in the Rice MBA program back in the 90's, we had constant group projects. I always rounded up a team of Indian and Chinese students. I had them do all the math and I wrote the papers explaining the results in understandable English. I also tended to be the one who did the oral presentations. Win-win.

The stereotypes contain a lot of truth.

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We are white, but people jokingly say we parent like Asians.

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no they don't

The posters who are getting defensive on this generally light hearted thread can take comfort in one thing. I watched a video of the annual calculus competition at MIT (the 2023 "integration bee"). The room was mostly Asians but with a sizeable white minority. The champion (the Grand Integrator) was a white dude. He out-nerded a whole room of Asian math prodigies!

AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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A well rounded person could play a game of baseball in the morning then chess in the evening.

Back when I was working on my graduate degrees, my side hustle was test prep.
SAT
PSAT
GRE
GMAT
LSAT
MCAT
Miller' Analogies...

Made really good bank. Taught at several universities, and at several school districts.

One of the most fun classes was my "chinese" class (at Chinese school). Saturdays was a 6th day of school for these kids, they rented public schools for the day, and from 5th or 6th grade many were enrolled in my SAT classes. I had several 7th graders that (after my class, of course) able to come within a question or 2 of making 800s on the math and mid 700's on verbal.

They were bright, perhaps they did have a genetic leg up on other races, but the parental involvement was off the charts an I think that was the key difference.

AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Vivek is 101% right.

The racists got but-hurt because a brown guy said so. When Elon said it, they either cheered him or pretended he never said it.

We Americans no longer look inward since we think we are the best (even when we are not).

As an aside, most of my Grad School Engineering classes at A&M (Zachry) were all Asian(Chinese + Indian) with a smattering of white males, no white females, and no blacks at all, no hispanic. This was 25 years ago.

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In the mid 90's I used to recruit A&M, UH, tu, SWT, Rice for IT talent.

We stayed away from the perfect score individuals with zero life skills.

You're in a tiny room and each applicant had 15 minutes.

It would totally flummox the perfect score kids when you asked them about hobbies, interests, anything outside of school that would lean towards having social skills. They couldn't answer.

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With this attitude, I am sure you lost out on many good candidates. Even Elon Musk and Bill Gates would get rejected by you.

Ozzy Osbourne said:

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All the Asians in my neighborhood hire a contractor to do basic home maintenance like installing a ceiling fan or changing a sprinkler head. They also ask for help if they find a snake in their yard. They could probably beat YT at chess but that's about it.

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No offense, but time is limited in this world and everyone gets 24 hrs a day.
While you spend your time installing water heaters and sump pumps, Steve Chang spends it learning Generative AI and builds an AI company and makes millions.

I'd rather be Steve Chang.

Just like America outsources the low level manual labor jobs to Mexico and Philippines, Steve Chang has outsourced the labor jobs to people like yourself. Please think about this deeply. Our kids futures are at stake.

PS: I absolutely love fixing things and I appreciate those who can install a fan (I can) or any electrical or do construction. I wish I had skills to do internal house renovations but I don't. But there isn't enough time in the world these days. We have to sacrifice some things. We aren't in the 50s anymore.

Buck Turgidson said:

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The posters who are getting defensive on this generally light hearted thread can take comfort in one thing. I watched a video of the annual calculus competition at MIT (the 2023 "integration bee"). The room was mostly Asians but with a sizeable white minority. The champion (the Grand Integrator) was a white dude. He out-nerded a whole room of Asian math prodigies!

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That is what I notice too. White people in MS/PhD are outstanding. Top of the line. The asians are the middle tier but have sheer numbers. White people were just a few.

You need both for America though.

You cannot win a NC with two 5-star players. You need to have 25 4-star players instead.

AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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About 25 years ago I played Starcraft competitively (for those that don't know, this was the crowning achievement of real time strategy games in the late 90s/early 2000s).

I was not bad...... but it was well known that Koreans and Chinese were absolutely dominant at that game.

To this day.... the best Starcraft and Starcraft II players in the world are overwhelmingly Korean and Chinese.

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Do I think the piano makes them smarter? No.

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You should, because it does! Maybe not piano exclusively (I'd probably argue most instruments) but I think there are studies that link increased intelligence with serious music study. I don't have them handy, but I have seen some, so you'll have to either take my word for it or not.

I'm not a chess player so I can't comment on that, but music teaches so many different things: the ability to concentrate in order to learn, the awareness that practice is key to learning and mastering most anything, and the ability to learn to perform and ATTEMPT to get it right the first time. All this with something we ostensibly love to do -- at least for those that like music.

Is it going to raise their SAT score 200 points? Probably not, but if it teaches them discipline and study habits from their practice routine, all that combined likely will raise it some.

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chess is a great game / activity to learn

it teaches you to look ahead...3, 4, 5 moves

and teaches you to visualize what the board will look like in 3, 4, 5 moves

very important skills in engineering

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You know what also teaches you this? Jiu Jitsu, wrestling and even boxing to a degree. And you get the benefit of not having to worry about your kids getting picked on.

AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Ok but being a nerd isnt always good. If I had kids Id want them to go into business, doesn't take mega brains or studying like the asians do

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You should, because it does! Maybe not piano exclusively (I'd probably argue most instruments) but I think there are studies that link increased intelligence with serious music study. I don't have them handy, but I have seen some, so you'll have to either take my word for it or not.

I'm not a chess player so I can't comment on that, but music teaches so many different things: the ability to concentrate in order to learn, the awareness that practice is key to learning and mastering most anything, and the ability to learn to perform and ATTEMPT to get it right the first time. All this with something we ostensibly love to do -- at least for those that like music.

Is it going to raise their SAT score 200 points? Probably not, but if it teaches them discipline and study habits from their practice routine, all that combined likely will raise it some.

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100%.
Nothing more to add. Great post.

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Gilligan said:

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In the mid 90's I used to recruit A&M, UH, tu, SWT, Rice for IT talent.

We stayed away from the perfect score individuals with zero life skills.

You're in a tiny room and each applicant had 15 minutes.

It would totally flummox the perfect score kids when you asked them about hobbies, interests, anything outside of school that would lean towards having social skills. They couldn't answer.

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With this attitude, I am sure you lost out on many good candidates. Even Elon Musk and Bill Gates would get rejected by you.

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I will hire a well-rounded person 100% of the time over someone who's really good at only one thing.

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Do I think the piano makes them smarter? No.

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You should, because it does! Maybe not piano exclusively (I'd probably argue most instruments) but I think there are studies that link increased intelligence with serious music study. I don't have them handy, but I have seen some, so you'll have to either take my word for it or not.

I'm not a chess player so I can't comment on that, but music teaches so many different things: the ability to concentrate in order to learn, the awareness that practice is key to learning and mastering most anything, and the ability to learn to perform and ATTEMPT to get it right the first time. All this with something we ostensibly love to do -- at least for those that like music.

Is it going to raise their SAT score 200 points? Probably not, but if it teaches them discipline and study habits from their practice routine, all that combined likely will raise it some.

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Band kids are mega nerds though. Want your kid to be a nerd? No. Have them play varsity sports

91AggieLawyer said:

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Do I think the piano makes them smarter? No.

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You should, because it does! Maybe not piano exclusively (I'd probably argue most instruments) but I think there are studies that link increased intelligence with serious music study. I don't have them handy, but I have seen some, so you'll have to either take my word for it or not.

I'm not a chess player so I can't comment on that, but music teaches so many different things: the ability to concentrate in order to learn, the awareness that practice is key to learning and mastering most anything, and the ability to learn to perform and ATTEMPT to get it right the first time. All this with something we ostensibly love to do -- at least for those that like music.

Is it going to raise their SAT score 200 points? Probably not, but if it teaches them discipline and study habits from their practice routine, all that combined likely will raise it some.

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Anything that fires your brain off in different unusual ways will make you smarter. Music is the perfect example, but another good one is learning a foreign language. ESPECIALLY an Asian language (or Nordic), if you can brave it. That way you're learning how to not only speak a new language but read and write new characters.

Stay away from badminton tournaments or you will really be shocked !!!

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Balance should be stressed in a high achievement household.

You look at Japan now and they're embracing lying flat. Their birthrate is at all time lows.

China's is at an all time low as well.

The exam in Singapore they all stress about to get into the best, most prestigious school there is creates quite a stir.

There needs to be balance.

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I think you are thinking of Chyna. " Lying flat " and " Let it rot " are Chinese movements amongst youth.
Unless Japanese youth are doing the same thing, if they are it is probably under a different name. Birthrate is dropping like a rock in Japan, Korea and Chyna. Chinese pop. is probably 900 million at most and not 1.4 billion.

Funny you mention that. I have my kids in a Jiu jitsu based martial arts program. They are both small for their age and I don't think that will ever change. I blame their parents - 5', 100 lbs and 5'7" 160 lbs. so I went with something that can do a lot with little.

Proud dad moment: got a call from the principal because she got into a "fight" with two boys. Apparently she busted one's nose and subdued the other until he started crying because they were bullying her friend during recess. "No" didn't work and there weren't any teachers around.

See something, DO something
#FAFO

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AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Vivek is 101% right.

The racists got but-hurt because a brown guy said so. When Elon said it, they either cheered him or pretended he never said it.

We Americans no longer look inward since we think we are the best (even when we are not).

As an aside, most of my Grad School Engineering classes at A&M (Zachry) were all Asian(Chinese + Indian) with a smattering of white males, no white females, and no blacks at all, no hispanic. This was 25 years ago.

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Vivek is an idiot and wrong. The smartest people I knew in high school were all athletes. **** that guy. The most successful people I know now were all former athletes.

The nerds, who never did anything else, get run over in my industry, oil and gas.

infinity ag said:

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Gilligan said:

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In the mid 90's I used to recruit A&M, UH, tu, SWT, Rice for IT talent.

We stayed away from the perfect score individuals with zero life skills.

You're in a tiny room and each applicant had 15 minutes.

It would totally flummox the perfect score kids when you asked them about hobbies, interests, anything outside of school that would lean towards having social skills. They couldn't answer.

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With this attitude, I am sure you lost out on many good candidates. Even Elon Musk and Bill Gates would get rejected by you.

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Must and Gates had huge hobbies outside of school. They don't fit this at all lmao.

My kids school offered an after school chess class. It filled up within minutes and has a huge waitlist. I don't understand the appeal but parents were rushing to get their kids in.

I have my kids in ice skating and I have noticed there is a high percentage that are Asian at the rink both figure skating and hockey. Some are doing competitive and a few I have talked to say their kid enjoys it so they come do it for fun.

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infinity ag said:

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AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Vivek is 101% right.

The racists got but-hurt because a brown guy said so. When Elon said it, they either cheered him or pretended he never said it.

We Americans no longer look inward since we think we are the best (even when we are not).

As an aside, most of my Grad School Engineering classes at A&M (Zachry) were all Asian(Chinese + Indian) with a smattering of white males, no white females, and no blacks at all, no hispanic. This was 25 years ago.

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Vivek is an idiot and wrong. The smartest people I knew in high school were all athletes. **** that guy. The most successful people I know now were all former athletes.

The nerds, who never did anything else, get run over in my industry, oil and gas.

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How many of those athletes made a good career from their athletic ability? Very few. I am pretty sure you cannot name me one person who is making a decent enough salary, most are small time coaches somewhere (no offence to them, they are earning money respectably).
If you want to compete with Asia you need to do it in Science and Tech.
Even Olympic medal winners are struggling to make a buck after the fame is over.

You need to think harder to understand Vivek.
The "nerds" are the reason why you even have a job in O&G.

Nanomachines son said:

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infinity ag said:

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Gilligan said:

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In the mid 90's I used to recruit A&M, UH, tu, SWT, Rice for IT talent.

We stayed away from the perfect score individuals with zero life skills.

You're in a tiny room and each applicant had 15 minutes.

It would totally flummox the perfect score kids when you asked them about hobbies, interests, anything outside of school that would lean towards having social skills. They couldn't answer.

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With this attitude, I am sure you lost out on many good candidates. Even Elon Musk and Bill Gates would get rejected by you.

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Must and Gates had huge hobbies outside of school. They don't fit this at all lmao.

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As always, you completely missed the point.

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If an Asian brings home a B, you can be almost certain, that that kid will get a stern talking to rather than a "well at least you are well rounded."

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I agree with your comment. It reminded me when I was at A&M and various companies would come to campus as part of the recruiting process. I went to a half dozen I guess. You could ask questions of those on the panel from the potential employer. At two or three of these, there was this same derelict who would ask "Isn't it true that you would much rather have someone who had a 2.837 GPA but was well rounded than someone who had a 4.0? lol.

Yeah right Delbert, and hopefully played intramurals too! Was funny how he would run the GPA out two or three digits, which meant you know it was his GPA.

But can they fight off a pulling offensive tackle? Didn't think so.

That is terrible. You should have scolded her in front of the Principal and then taken her out for pizza and icecream

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Diversity is our strength, I thought?

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It's not
Meritocracy means Asians will rise to the top
As it should be.

infinity ag said:

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Nanomachines son said:

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infinity ag said:

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AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Vivek is 101% right.

The racists got but-hurt because a brown guy said so. When Elon said it, they either cheered him or pretended he never said it.

We Americans no longer look inward since we think we are the best (even when we are not).

As an aside, most of my Grad School Engineering classes at A&M (Zachry) were all Asian(Chinese + Indian) with a smattering of white males, no white females, and no blacks at all, no hispanic. This was 25 years ago.

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Vivek is an idiot and wrong. The smartest people I knew in high school were all athletes. **** that guy. The most successful people I know now were all former athletes.

The nerds, who never did anything else, get run over in my industry, oil and gas.

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How many of those athletes made a good career from their athletic ability? Very few. I am pretty sure you cannot name me one person who is making a decent enough salary, most are small time coaches somewhere (no offence to them, they are earning money respectably).
If you want to compete with Asia you need to do it in Science and Tech.
Even Olympic medal winners are struggling to make a buck after the fame is over.

You need to think harder to understand Vivek.
The "nerds" are the reason why you even have a job in O&G.

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Wildcatters are modern day cowboys aka jocks. They are not and we're never nerds.

You're utterly delusional about reality. I wouldn't have a job without the guys producing the crude and natural gas, you know the men who put their lives on the line in the field.

I'm just an engineer and while we design and create things, we are not the underlying engine in this industry. Nerds who are only nerds never make it in oil and gas. Nerds who were also jocks however do make it. You clearly have never met the latter type. The former are never taken seriously in this industry and you can always tell just by how someone walks, it's that easy.

AColunga07 said:

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I'm at the Texas Chess Championship Tournament and it's very lopsided. My kids are in elementary so they are competing in lower grade level (elementary) sections. It might be different in middle school and high school sections, but I doubt it. The difference is more profound at the higher levels. I have one kid competing in the "championship" section (no cap on their rating) and he is the only non Asian. These are the absolute best players in the state in their respective grades. My students competing in the "JV" section (lowest cap in rating) has the highest % of non Asian (maybe 30% at best).

Very anecdotal, but the hotel I'm staying at is also hosting some baseball teams for some sort of baseball tournament. Yep, you can guess what those kids look like.

I'm not saying Vivek is right, but I'm definitely not saying he's wrong either.

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Hey OP, back in the old days (90s), we had an A&M Computer Science Prof who taught Databases called Dr Colunga. Are you the same person or are you related to him?