CactusThomas said:

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94chem said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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94chem said:

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Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.

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Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?

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It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.

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Be honest, how many boosters did this idiot take?

Anyone who has received a promotion from the CDC in the last 6 years almost certainly needs to be fired.

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The internet isn't making you a better person.

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94chem said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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94chem said:

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Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.

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Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?

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It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.

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No. The courts should have absolutely no say in personnel decision making in the executive branch. Ridiculous!

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Yup - they don't. Another Federal District judge just stopped some of DOGE's actions. It's just a delay tactic. We're $36T+ in debt, adding $2T debt each year based on annual revenue and budget, and no one other than Trump and Elon are offering a solution. The Dims and RINOs are burning the country down thinking the bad times will never affect them. Sucks to be under 40 right now (which I am not)

B-1 83 said:

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94chem said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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94chem said:

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Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.

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Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?

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It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.

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This. I've been a firm proponent of cuts, but more thought should have been put into it. In all fairness, a regular RIF might have nailed him, too, depending on the number of positions like his that exist.

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This is what happens when you make regular RIFs hard to do and put too much protection over more tenured people. It's basically a byproduct of the dysfunction of government. It doesn't reward merit. It rewards whoever has paid the most in union dues.

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does anyone else feel "threatened and harassed" by your superiors asking what you've gotten done?

These people are worthless ******s.

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Agreed.

I will say, though, if your boss needs to ask what you're working on they're not doing their job right and they should have their employment status looked into.

Would seem the MSM/Courts assertion that OPM did the firings may be off base. Stopping short of ordereing a reversal of action.

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"OPM does not have any authority whatsoever, under any statute in the history of the universe to hire and fire employees within another agency," Alsup said in a ruling from the bench Thursday afternoon. "It can hire its own employees, yes, but it cannot direct some other agency to do so. "That is a crystal clear starting point for the analysis here."

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce/2025/02/federal-judge-invalidates-opms-directives-to-terminate-federal-probationary-workers/

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In contrast

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The rules around federal probationary periods gained more attention after a Jan. 20 Office of Personnel Management memo asked agencies for lists of all their employees currently on probation. OPM Acting Director Charles Ezell told agencies to "promptly determine whether those employees should be retained at the agency."

https://federalnewsnetwork.com/workforce-rightsgovernance/2025/02/what-are-the-rules-for-probationary-periods-and-federal-employees/

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Apparently there are several 'gotchas' in the Feds rules, The last links article outlines some of these.

Bottom line, it appears ADOPM askes agencies who should be retained or let go. In my mind the agency did the determination and OPM was the messinger.

It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.

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Government is NOT a business.
If it is treated like a business (which means for-profit), then only certain sections will be catered to and others will not. Rich will get richer and poor will get poorer and this would have nothing to do with effort and hard work.

In a Government, you cannot have all agencies making money. Some will lose money too but the has to be a reason for it. Just like in a business where you have loss leaders. Of course, you cannot lose money all the time everywhere and that is where we are now.

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

These ****ers losing their jobs and acting like it is the most cruel thing in the world, despite everyone else in the world having to deal with layoffs in life, is like gravy on top of biscuits. Nom nom nom

Good luck with that women's studies masters degree from NYU

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Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense.

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In my line of work, personnel isn't even close to the biggest expense. But you'd rather call people imbeciles than learn anything, cause, ya know, muh blue stars.

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Well then we should cut medicaid, medicare, ss, defense if you want to go that route.

No Spin Ag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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does anyone else feel "threatened and harassed" by your superiors asking what you've gotten done?

These people are worthless ******s.

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Agreed.

I will say, though, if your boss needs to ask what you're working on they're not doing their job right and they should have their employment status looked into.

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Wrong. If your boss never asks what you are working on you are a low level, transactional employee who may or may not be meeting your job responsibilities.

At various times I may or may not know what our back office employees are focused on. Sometimes I ask to confirm it is inline with my expectations, sometimes I ask in order to determine who may have some capacity to take on a new initiative.

The concept that is poor management to have your reports regularly update belies the typical reporting relationship.

There is a keyword in that previous sentence. Report. The boss-underling relationship is called a reporting relationship and a manager has a number of direct reports. The word report indicates you have some obligation to report results or report activities.

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Harry Stone said:

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And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.

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Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.

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FWIW, the actual direction from the SecDef to the JCS is a 40% cut in top-line budget over five years. That's 40% in dollars vice people. A lot of people will be cut but most will be civilians and administrative support uniformed personnel. The described object is a force structure that is focused on lethality. The "tooth to tail" ratio has been shrinking steadily since the end of Desert Storm. That needs to reverse course and Hegseth is the first SecDef that has clearly stated this since at least Weinberger and possibly McElroy.

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Harry Stone said:

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And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.

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Government is NOT a business.
If it is treated like a business (which means for-profit), then only certain sections will be catered to and others will not. Rich will get richer and poor will get poorer and this would have nothing to do with effort and hard work.

In a Government, you cannot have all agencies making money. Some will lose money too but the has to be a reason for it. Just like in a business where you have loss leaders. Of course, you cannot lose money all the time everywhere and that is where we are now.

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My recollection of government accounting is that there is no concept of making money or losing money.

If you bring in more than you planned in the budget you have a surplus. If you bring in less, you have a deficit. Same applies to the spending side with spending less resulting in a surplus, spending more a deficit.

Then the trickery happens when setting the next fiscal budget when those deficits and surpluses should be sorted through and the next budget reflecting that analysis and other changes such as new programs, ending existing programs, etc.

When people make the comment of government running like a business, they are referring to efficiency in both labor and expenditures and moving at a faster speed with less "bureaucracy". There is no concept of profit centers and loss leaders.

because the Federal Government has become a slush fund for Marxists and the democrat party:

Non-Governmental organizations

think tanks

Government contractors

Government unions

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because the Federal Government has become a slush fund for Marxists and the democrat party:

Non-Governmental organizations

think tanks

Government contractors

Government unions

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This is NOT intended as an attack, but don't you work for or previously work for those type of orgs? if not, I apologize for my fuzzy recollection.

Curious as to whether your criticism is from external observation or direct personal experience.

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These ****ers losing their jobs and acting like it is the most cruel thing in the world, despite everyone else in the world having to deal with layoffs in life, is like gravy on top of biscuits. Nom nom nom

Good luck with that women's studies masters degree from NYU

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People with Computer Science and Mechanical Engineering degrees are also losing their jobs and having a hard time finding new ones. Good hard working people with degrees from good US schools and with experience. My son goes to a Top 5 US school for Computer Sc and he is having a hard time getting a good internship. He just got a call (after being rejected by them earlier) yesterday saying "more positions opened up" so I am hopeful. He is male, and companies still are hiring females for DEI (a girl dad himself told me this at a party last weekend, his daughter and my son are classmates).

And don't say "then work hard and be the best in the world". That argument means nothing in reality other than the "let them have cake" retort. There just aren't enough jobs available and Musk/Trump want to bring in H1B monkeys for cheap.

No Spin Ag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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does anyone else feel "threatened and harassed" by your superiors asking what you've gotten done?

These people are worthless ******s.

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Agreed.

I will say, though, if your boss needs to ask what you're working on they're not doing their job right and they should have their employment status looked into.

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I was going to post this. Employees who don't produce can only do that because of their supervisor. We're not firing (yet) the bigger problem.

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And don't say "then work hard and be the best in the world". That argument means nothing in reality other than the "let them have cake" retort. There just aren't enough jobs available and Musk/Trump want to bring in H1B monkeys for cheap.

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There are plenty of jobs available, but they be in areas and fields that are not the first choice for some people.

Aren't we short staffed on ATC controllers? I also heard scuttle that there are some projects in the works to improve the ATC computer systems and a multitude of other government information systems. I would see the computer science and ME fields as growing.

Not sure what a "H1B monkey is" but what is this talk about Musk and Trump wanting to bring them in on the cheap?

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infinity ag said:

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And don't say "then work hard and be the best in the world". That argument means nothing in reality other than the "let them have cake" retort. There just aren't enough jobs available and Musk/Trump want to bring in H1B monkeys for cheap.

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There are plenty of jobs available, but they be in areas and fields that are not the first choice for some people.

Aren't we short staffed on ATC controllers? I also heard scuttle that there are some projects in the works to improve the ATC computer systems and a multitude of other government information systems. I would see the computer science and ME fields as growing.

Not sure what a "H1B monkey is" but what is this talk about Musk and Trump wanting to bring them in on the cheap?

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Bro. Are you for real. You are talking like Biden.
If you are trained in a certain field, you will look for jobs in that field. How would you do a job in a different field? You won't even get a call. I am in a certain area of tech, I am not able to get Engineering Manager jobs though I was in software engineer (not as manager) 10 years ago. Yes, baggers and greeter jobs at Walmart are available but people with engineering degrees from top US schools and 10 years of experience don't want to do those jobs.

Please get real.

H1B is a visa type that US companies exploit to bring in workers from India, China etc to work in the US and undercut the locals. These are hired for cheap and treated like slaves and exploited. They are okay with it as conditions in their countries are worse and they make dollars. US CEOs like it as they inflate their bonus.

Musk hires these types too as he makes money. Trump seems to side with Musk on this but nothing has been done either way so the jury is still out.

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

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A non-government owned company. I mean, you should know what a private company is.

If the government is selling cheese to people and decides to stop selling cheese, if cheese is that important, somebody would start a company that sells cheese to the public.

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Bro. Are you for real. You are talking like Biden.
If you are trained in a certain field, you will look for jobs in that field. How would you do a job in a different field? You won't even get a call. I am in a certain area of tech, I am not able to get Engineering Manager jobs though I was in software engineer (not as manager) 10 years ago. Yes, baggers and greeter jobs at Walmart are available but people with engineering degrees from top US schools and 10 years of experience don't want to do those jobs.

Please get real.

H1B is a visa type that US companies exploit to bring in workers from India, China etc to work in the US and undercut the locals. These are hired for cheap and treated like slaves and exploited. They are okay with it as conditions in their countries are worse and they make dollars. US CEOs like it as they inflate their bonus.

Musk hires these types too as he makes money. Trump seems to side with Musk on this but nothing has been done either way so the jury is still out.

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Damn, that is about the most cold-hearted ad hom someone could make to me. But seriously, knee-jerk reacting by going to the "learn to code" nonsense is just taking a cheap shot.

I specifically mentioned jobs / projects applicable to the mentioned degrees. But if one was having long-term employment difficulty then changing professions is sometimes a rewarding development.

I started in Big 4 accounting then spent some time in corporate for several large companies, two of them international with one of those being foreign based (UK) who outsourced several back office functions to Genpact in India, which I visited personally.

Worked with H1Bs at those stops and even had an H1B in my wedding. tl;dr I know what I am talking about.

Yes, there is a perception that the H1Bs are paid poorly and overworked. That perception has some basis in reality as there are indeed companies that take advantage of someone's H1B status to pay them less and work them harder. However, my experience is the work harder was part of their ethos and from their own self-determination to take advantage of the opportunity to live and work in the United States and maybe become a citizen one day.

The talk I have seen mostly on H1Bs is that our talent pool in some of those areas is shallow thus there is a need to nerdy engineers who love staring at a keyboard all day versus living back in their home country without indoor plumbing and limited options to build wealth and have a comfortable life.

I have compassion for your situation but reacting with a broad brush hate on H1Bs seems off target to me.

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94chem said:

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

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A non-government owned company. I mean, you should know what a private company is.

If the government is selling cheese to people and decides to stop selling cheese, if cheese is that important, somebody would start a company that sells cheese to the public.

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Good. Now do a treatment for an orphan neurodegenerative disease.

And come up with something better than "it only kills 1300 people per year."

aTm2004 said:

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94chem said:

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aTm2004 said:

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

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A non-government owned company. I mean, you should know what a private company is.

If the government is selling cheese to people and decides to stop selling cheese, if cheese is that important, somebody would start a company that sells cheese to the public.

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Notice who you're replying to.

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Good. Now do a treatment for an orphan neurodegenerative disease.

And come up with something better than "it only kills 1300 people per year."

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I respectfully ask if you would consider removing emotion as you read my response below. I am talking numbers and broader good of society.

Just how much should the government fund research and cures / treatments for diseases that effect 0.0004% of the population (assuming US only)?

Is it fair to spend $10 billion when that $10 billion could have been spent on maternal care to maybe prevent diseases in mothers and infants that would prevent 10,000 deaths annually? 100,000 deaths?

At some point decisions have to be made when allocating finite resources. It is an inconvenient truth that typically only those making actuarial tables and corporate lawyers have the stomach to accept.

State of Texas has too many, way too many on the payroll.

Abbott needs to recruit Elon.

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aTm2004 said:

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94chem said:

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aTm2004 said:

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

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A non-government owned company. I mean, you should know what a private company is.

If the government is selling cheese to people and decides to stop selling cheese, if cheese is that important, somebody would start a company that sells cheese to the public.

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Good. Now do a treatment for an orphan neurodegenerative disease.

And come up with something better than "it only kills 1300 people per year."

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So, because you're personally impacted by something, the government shouldn't take a look at it's costs and make necessary cuts? If it's that important to you, go lobby billionaires and massive corporations to donate money and fund necessary research in the private sector. Don't get on a message board and try to make me feel bad because your personal issue may be impacted by the fact that money is finite.

flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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BadMoonRisin said:

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does anyone else feel "threatened and harassed" by your superiors asking what you've gotten done?

These people are worthless ******s.

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Agreed.

I will say, though, if your boss needs to ask what you're working on they're not doing their job right and they should have their employment status looked into.

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Wrong. If your boss never asks what you are working on you are a low level, transactional employee who may or may not be meeting your job responsibilities.

At various times I may or may not know what our back office employees are focused on. Sometimes I ask to confirm it is inline with my expectations, sometimes I ask in order to determine who may have some capacity to take on a new initiative.

The concept that is poor management to have your reports regularly update belies the typical reporting relationship.

There is a keyword in that previous sentence. Report. The boss-underling relationship is called a reporting relationship and a manager has a number of direct reports. The word report indicates you have some obligation to report results or report activities.

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True, the reporting i get. My point is, your boss is the one who's responsible to their superiors for their staffs production, which typically means they know what their staff are doing. But, regardless, the reporting part of it all should be no big deal to anyone worth their salt at their job

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94chem said:

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Good. Now do a treatment for an orphan neurodegenerative disease.

And come up with something better than "it only kills 1300 people per year."

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I respectfully ask if you would consider removing emotion as you read my response below. I am talking numbers and broader good of society.

Just how much should the government fund research and cures / treatments for diseases that effect 0.0004% of the population (assuming US only)?

Is it fair to spend $10 billion when that $10 billion could have been spent on maternal care to maybe prevent diseases in mothers and infants that would prevent 10,000 deaths annually? 100,000 deaths?

At some point decisions have to be made when allocating finite resources. It is an inconvenient truth that typically only those making actuarial tables and corporate lawyers have the stomach to accept.

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I asked you not to do that. I was giving you a chance to not expose further ignorance about how basic R&D works. I was being gracious.

A friend of mine shared with me this morning just one example, and a dated one at that. MIT conducted research in 2014 that determined that government-funded research had contributed to the formation of 30,000 companies, employing 4.6 million people, generating $1.9 trillion in annual revenues, over 2.5% of the world economy.

Musk actually knows this stuff. He's been one of the biggest beneficiaries. He probably wouldn't want to admit it right now. I mean, the Tesla isn't that innovative. I suppose Dean Cayman did a lot of the battery R&D ("Segway"), and the science was done by Goodenough and others (Nobel prize, of course developed with public funding).

Agreed.

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94chem said:

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aTm2004 said:

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94chem said:

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aTm2004 said:

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It sucks people are losing their jobs, but this happens in the private sector everyday when a company is in massive debt and it's expenses are greater than its revenue.

What is funny is how the reaction is always the same...PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!! Social media is full doom and gloom today after the NOAA cuts. Everyone from Jim Cantore to our own Travis Herzog.

Give me a break. Very few in the government outside of the military, LEO, and the FD are doing work each day that saves lives. Most are there doing meaningless work to get to their 20 so they can draw a pension. If what they do is that important, a private company will pop up to fill the void while providing a much better product, and if they actually are really good at their jobs, they'll land in the private sector doing the same work.

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What do you mean by "private company?"

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A non-government owned company. I mean, you should know what a private company is.

If the government is selling cheese to people and decides to stop selling cheese, if cheese is that important, somebody would start a company that sells cheese to the public.

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Good. Now do a treatment for an orphan neurodegenerative disease.

And come up with something better than "it only kills 1300 people per year."

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So, because you're personally impacted by something, the government shouldn't take a look at it's costs and make necessary cuts? If it's that important to you, go lobby billionaires and massive corporations to donate money and fund necessary research in the private sector. Don't get on a message board and try to make me feel bad because your personal issue may be impacted by the fact that money is finite.

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Nothing to do with me.

How about non-orphan diseases? Ever hear of the Saint Jude's protocol. I 100% guarantee that you know someone who's child had been cured of leukemia. Why didn't a private company solve that problem?

B-1 83 said:

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Harry Stone said:

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And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.

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Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.

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I'm currently working on a T-100 to help replace the lost personnel.

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Nothing to do with me.

How about non-orphan diseases? Ever hear of the Saint Jude's protocol. I 100% guarantee that you know someone who's child had been cured of leukemia. Why didn't a private company solve that problem?

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As in St. Jude's Children Hospital? A charity-funded hospital started by a private individual that relies heavily on private donations?

Apologies if that is not what is being referred to, but it is all my googling skills came up with.

It's funny how liberals are screaming about federal government job cuts now, but they pushed for Covid-restrictions that caused unemployment to skyrocket and other negative economic effects.

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It's funny how liberals are screaming about federal government job cuts now, but they pushed for Covid-restrictions that caused unemployment to skyrocket and other negative economic effects.

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Two things can be true here (and not be a liberal) - one can think the COVID restrictions were stupid and one can think government cuts need to be done, but not necessarily the way they were.