All these government staff cuts are amazing

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And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
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Imbeciles is too nice of a word to use.
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Harry Stone said:

And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
No doubt. The federal government has done nothing but grow since its inception.

Think about your hometown. How many businesses that were there when you were a kid are no longer open? Probably a great percentage. They've been bought by larger companies to streamline, or closed outright.

Why does that not happen with government?

Technology has made huge advances in efficiency.

Why does that not happen with government? Seriously, why has the workforce grown exponentially?
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Emotion trumps logic in the "civil servant" sphere
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Harry Stone said:

And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.
Being in TexAgs jail changes a man……..no, not really
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B-1 83 said:

Harry Stone said:

And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.
We can finally bring back well regulated militias. Take away a talking point for the need for high capacity magazines.
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It does happen in the government. My agency in state lost 1/3 of its employees in my 35 years due to……technology. A one man survey crew can do in a couple of hours what could have taken 2 men days before.
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B-1 83 said:

It does happen in the government. My agency in state lost 1/3 of its employees in my 35 years due to……technology. A one man survey crew can do in a couple of hours what could have taken 2 men days before.
OK. There are very few agencies that have shrunk. Almost every space in business has.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

Harry Stone said:

And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
No doubt. The federal government has done nothing but grow since its inception.

Think about your hometown. How many businesses that were there when you were a kid are no longer open? Probably a great percentage. They've been bought by larger companies to streamline, or closed outright.

Why does that not happen with government?

Technology has made huge advances in efficiency.

Why does that not happen with government? Seriously, why has the workforce grown exponentially?
Still live in the town where I was born and have lived here most of my life. Now about 9,000 people. Sort of everyone knew everyone growing up, when around half that many lived here. Your comment on businesses that are no longer open is quite on point. In our school yearbooks, local businesses would purchase ads in the back of the publication, like anywhere else. Looking at one from time to time, I notice exactly what you are saying. And often business people had an ownership in more than one business I don't remember what decade I was looking at, either the 60s or the early 70s, but something like 80-90% are no longer around. Made me curious, think I might check on that percentage tonight, lol.
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B-1 83 said:

Harry Stone said:

And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.


You're right. We should keep this high payroll at the expense of the taxpayer and keep spiraling out of control until there's nothing left of this country, and at that point no reason to even have a military
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Please cut more!
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When Trump and Elon have said that cuts are imperative to save the country from bankruptcy do people think they are kidding or that doesn't apply to them?

They've explained that the interest on debt is simply unsustainable and action must be taken to save off bankruptcy.

Everyone knows we printed $8 trillion during a single year during covid. Everyone was there.It's no like they are making that up.

I get it that people are mad, but what the alternative. Run a nation state to default with no attempt to course correct?

OMG we'll have 10% less meteorologist at NOAA.

There's 20% less forest rangers now to protect forests that have stood for a million years.

Kinda crazy this everyone but me attitude and that some professions are 'essential.' They weren't essential during covid, what changed?
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Just had Spectrum news on and they were interviewing fired usaid workers.

I have sympathy for good people who lose their jobs

I have no sympathy for someone who tries to wrap themselves in charity by giving away other people's money. They did evil and tried to disguise it as good. When I see this it reminds me why Jesus advised to give without praise or self righteousness.

Matthew 6:1-34 ESV / 66 helpful votes

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. "Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you. "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. ...
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Stat Monitor Repairman said:

When Trump and Elon have said that cuts are imperative to save the country from bankruptcy do people think they are kidding or that doesn't apply to them?

They've explained that the interest on debt is simply unsustainable and action must be taken to save off bankruptcy.

Everyone knows we printed $8 trillion during a single year during covid. Everyone was there.It's no like they are making that up.

I get it that people are mad, but what the alternative. Run a nation state to default with no attempt to course correct?

OMG we'll have 10% less meteorologist at NOAA.

There's 20% less forest rangers now to protect forests that have stood for a million years.

Kinda crazy this everyone but me attitude and that some professions are 'essential.' They weren't essential during covid, what changed?


They are mad because it's Trump. Most on the right are with him and Elon and their mission here. When it comes to anything Trump, leftists and never Trumpers lose all reason and rationality
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Honestly I don't think 60% is enough. I think the overwhelming vast majority of it is just bloat. There are literally over a million federal employees who do nothing to help the American people and in fact, work directly against them.
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Harry Stone said:

And its amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.


But but, I was told that government is not supposed to be run like a business and the purpose of government is to protect citizens and the purpose of a business is to make money.
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Although it's good to pretend gov is a business to implement fiscal responsibility, it is actually no where near a business.

The gov has a total monopoly on violence, steals income from customers, manipulates rates/money, and runs a giant ponzi scheme. None of these things will ever change without a major painful reset.
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And they have an incentive to completely spend their budgets, no matter what on, they have incentive to grow larger, they have ridiculous employee protections, and they can print money and send our great grandkids the bill. Quite the racket.
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These people are insufferable mental midgits. They should all be fired.
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Harry Stone said:

Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense.


In my line of work, personnel isn't even close to the biggest expense. But you'd rather call people imbeciles than learn anything, cause, ya know, muh blue stars.
94chem,
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Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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94chem said:

Harry Stone said:

Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense.


In my line of work, personnel isn't even close to the biggest expense. But you'd rather call people imbeciles than learn anything, cause, ya know, muh blue stars.


Well, in government, personnel IS the biggest expense.
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Who?mikejones! said:


Why do libs have such ****ty looking hair?
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JamesPShelley said:

Who?mikejones! said:


Why do libs have such ****ty looking hair?


Oh my gosh. Working on a Saturday night trying to catch up? The horror. Try five minutes in the oilfield, much less 20 years. Learn to sleep on the couch in the trailer at the rig so you're close enough to answer the rig phone in less than two rings. Then eventually you transition into an ops position where you answer your phone 24/7/365 because every call in the middle of the night is guaranteed to be a bad one. These people are clueless on how the world works.


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94chem said:

Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.


Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?
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I think he is pointing out that not all probationary workers are what many people think they are. For example, a park ranger who has been there 8 years gets promoted to sergeant, he is on his probationary time because he is in a new (for him) position. Ironically, if he was an idiot and failed the promotional test he would not be a probationary employee and his job would be safe. There are quite a few stories like that floating around.
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B-1 83 said:

Harry Stone said:

And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.

You make the basic flawed assumption that the present levels of personnel are the proper levels. Nothing could be further from the truth. The only thing our federal government does well is expand and spend money, which makes it necessary that they must be good at screwing the taxpayer.

Government employment in our country at all levels has become close to a welfare program because government jobs at every level provide unusual job security with medical coverage, cost of living raises, and good retirement. This is especially true at the federal level.

There is a reason we can't get people to leave congress until they are 100 or in a casket. Those in the bureaucracy are worse, it takes an act of congress to fire them even for cause
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No Spin Ag said:

94chem said:

Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.


Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?


It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.
94chem,
That, sir, was the greatest post in the history of TexAgs. I salute you. -- Dough
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Well she should've taken the buyout as she just moved herself to the front of the RIF line.
"And liberals, being liberals, will double down on failure." - dedgod
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flyrancher said:

B-1 83 said:

Harry Stone said:

And it's amazing how people are reacting to it. Look imbeciles, the government is a business, and in a business, when you're losing money you start fixing things by cutting employment, which is always the biggest expense. And in the case of our government it's the worst performing business in history. The administration should cut at least 60% at a minimum.
Cutting 60% of the military, DoD, CBP, etc……really doesn't seem that smart right now.

You make the basic flawed assumption that the present levels of personnel are the proper levels. Nothing could be further from the truth. The only thing our federal government does well is expand and spend money, which makes it necessary that they must be good at screwing the taxpayer.

Government employment in our country at all levels has become close to a welfare program because government jobs at every level provide unusual job security with medical coverage, cost of living raises, and good retirement. This is especially true at the federal level.

There is a reason we can't get people to leave congress until they are 100 or in a casket. Those in the bureaucracy are worse, it takes an act of congress to fire them even for cause
You think those agencies mentioned and the military could be cut 60%? I know it's F16 and it sounds so "edgy" to throw such numbers around, but be real.
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94chem said:

No Spin Ag said:

94chem said:

Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.


Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?


It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.
This. I've been a firm proponent of cuts, but more thought should have been put into it. In all fairness, a regular RIF might have nailed him, too, depending on the number of positions like his that exist.
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94chem said:

No Spin Ag said:

94chem said:

Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.


Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?


It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.


No. The courts should have absolutely no say in personnel decision making in the executive branch. Ridiculous!
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94chem said:

No Spin Ag said:

94chem said:

Firing probationary employees doesn't mean what most of you think it means.


Could you explain for the rest of us that think we know what it means?


It means anybody who has been in their position for less than a year. This means, for example, somebody I know at CDC who has recently been promoted to team lead after a career of exemplary research results. This isn't a new hire; it's a top performing SME who just happens to have a new title. This is happening all over. Perhaps the courts can slow this down, but it's insane the amount of damage being done.


Be honest, how many boosters did this idiot take?

Anyone who has received a promotion from the CDC in the last 6 years almost certainly needs to be fired.
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does anyone else feel "threatened and harassed" by your superiors asking what you've gotten done?

These people are worthless ******s.
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