AgResearch said:

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Cartel money coming back to the USA

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Price of the brick going up.

jeremy said:

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I dont love it. I don't hate it.


Is there any way to vet that it isn't drug money?

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Or that they aren't Chinese saboteurs

Globalism

How about they spent time in America and reflect our ideals.

Ags4DaWin said:

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jeremy said:

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I dont love it. I don't hate it.


Is there any way to vet that it isn't drug money?

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Or that they aren't Chinese saboteurs

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Don't forget Eastern European organized crime bosses

Think about most
Western Europeans who are wealthy enough to scratch out a 5 million check are probably very happy as Western Europeans

People from Sh**hole countries who have that kind of money either basically own their Country or are the criminal element of their countries
The only customers we might want that this might attract are foreign celebrities and adult children of the ruling class. Those people are already here buying real estate , going to very expensive universities, enjoying excellent healthcare , and living their best lives

If we're going to tariff then cut out the income tax.

Big Al 1992 said:

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Been around since 1990 - just a new name.

It sounds like the Gold Card would replace the EB-5 visa, which is pretty similar. pic.twitter.com/J241EXsnIv

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 25, 2025

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Gideon Rex must have seen my post.

Didn't Australia or New Zealand have something similar not long ago? You had to have "X" amount of dollars to potentially invest and you were welcomed with open arms as I recall. Sounds like a good way to get some Aussies and South Africans here.

Monkeypoxfighter said:

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Didn't Australia or New Zealand have something similar not long ago? You had to have "X" amount of dollars to potentially invest and you were welcomed with open arms as I recall. Sounds like a good way to get some Aussies and South Africans here.

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The program was (is?) either you have a good job or you put down good money for legal immigration. In this way you will not be a burden to the taxpayer.

jeremy said:

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I dont love it. I don't hate it.


Is there any way to vet that it isn't drug money?

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This is America. Does it matter?

infinity ag said:

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We don't know that 5M is the right price. There must be a provision to increase it if too many people take it up. Maybe we can at some point jack it up to 10M

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10M will be the cost of the even better Platinum Card! Think it will come with enhanced membership benefits like TSA pre-check.

They've had this for a long time, the EB-5 visa. Invest enough money in the US and you can get permanent residency. Current amount is $1,050,000.

It's not clear if this keeps largely the same EB-5 system but is raising the minimum to $5 million, or if it scraps EB-5 completely and is just a $5 million lump sum paid to the government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EB-5_visa

This seems worse than what we already had. We had a rich man's path through EB-5 that also had a job creation requirement. I don't see how this is superior.

Monkeypoxfighter said:

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Didn't Australia or New Zealand have something similar not long ago? You had to have "X" amount of dollars to potentially invest and you were welcomed with open arms as I recall. Sounds like a good way to get some Aussies and South Africans here.

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There are more than a couple of countries that do this.

https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/golden-passports-and-visas-how-investment-migration-works

Became very popular during COVID. Some have cut back on the offerings or raised the price.

Matt Lauer appears to be doing this in New Zealand so he can hide out with his sheep and new mistress. I have no further information on how the sheep respond when Mr. Lauer enters the pen and if they have the opportunity to bite the pillow first.

What is foreign student exchange program?

Great. Rich foreigners can now buy citizenship and give jobs to poor foreigners.

America first!

Residency is much different than citizenship.

TRM said:

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Residency is much different than citizenship.

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Is the proposed gold card instant citizenship? I would figure anyone on the current EB-5 can apply for citizenship on the same schedule as an ordinary green card holder, provided they obey laws, pay taxes, etc. And I generally have no issue with a person who comes here legally and playing by the rules having a pathway to citizenship, though I am unsure of a $5 million automatic buy-in.

You want to attract capital.

No it's not.

And in general, I like the EB-5 program. From what I've read it's not just putting money in US investments (which is kind of what the gold card sounds like) but you have to start a viable business and have real employees.

torrid said:

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And in general, I like the EB-5 program. From what I've read it's not just putting money in US investments (which is kind of what the gold card sounds like) but you have to start a viable business and have real employees.

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I have had a couple of these opportunities presented to me as residential and/or commercial construction can be one of the "investments".

I would rather see programs that support US citizens in making investments and creating jobs. The EB-5 programs should be rare and expensive. I am not sure $5MM is enough these days.

flown-the-coop said:

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torrid said:

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And in general, I like the EB-5 program. From what I've read it's not just putting money in US investments (which is kind of what the gold card sounds like) but you have to start a viable business and have real employees.

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I have had a couple of these opportunities presented to me as residential and/or commercial construction can be one of the "investments".

I would rather see programs that support US citizens in making investments and creating jobs. The EB-5 programs should be rare and expensive. I am not sure $5MM is enough these days.

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OK yeah, I can see that. I don't think construction is a good use of the EB-5 program. I was thinking more of a tech start-up.

Which can then employ a bunch of H-1Bs.

After spending time in Portugal, I'd like to get to a point where I could get a golden visa.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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You want to attract capital.

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Even if it comes by the way of drug dealers and terrorist backing Muslims? Both of which there are way more than any other group, and both of which would easily pass, if not them, the ones they'd give the money to.

No Spin Ag said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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You want to attract capital.

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Even if it comes by the way of drug dealers and terrorist backing Muslims? Both of which there are way more than any other group, and both of which would easily pass, if not them, the ones they'd give the money to.

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Would like to think there will be some vetting of the applicants. I know, I know... those are very high expectations for any government effort.

Also, typically those with cash sourced from illicit activities are not keen to wash those through a government program that will have additional scrutiny.

Its been a few years since I went through one of these at any degree of detail, but the applicants had wealth from verifiable sources that did not include cartels and terrorists.

It is absolutely to valid to be concerned though and Trump team needs to layout the vetting.

They are doing background checks and a vetting process. And those people are already here

Yukon Cornelius said:

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They are doing background checks and a vetting process. And those people are already here

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My point is there can be even more, and to the groups I mentioned, it would be insanely easy for them.

flown-the-coop said:

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No Spin Ag said:

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Yukon Cornelius said:

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You want to attract capital.

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Even if it comes by the way of drug dealers and terrorist backing Muslims? Both of which there are way more than any other group, and both of which would easily pass, if not them, the ones they'd give the money to.

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Would like to think there will be some vetting of the applicants. I know, I know... those are very high expectations for any government effort.

Also, typically those with cash sourced from illicit activities are not keen to wash those through a government program that will have additional scrutiny.

Its been a few years since I went through one of these at any degree of detail, but the applicants had wealth from verifiable sources that did not include cartels and terrorists.

It is absolutely to valid to be concerned though and Trump team needs to layout the vetting.

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Agreed and we, the American people, need to know what exactly that vetting process is.

What's easier then what's going on now? Feels like you're trying to find a reason not to like this idea and are grasping at "muh terrorists". Bro they are already here by the 1000s

I see that the media and progressives are acting like other nations haven't been doing this for decades.

But in general I'm not a fan of the plan except that it at least conveys a principal, we want producers to immigrate here, not just your tired and your poor. We have taken in enough of those already.

7,000,000 applications could pay off national debt.

Legal immigrants typically have far greater respect for our country then the illegals.

Also consider these people will be buying homes and cars etc vs needing government assistance and tax payer money.

Also consider if they've invested in this country so much just by being here they will care about this country's well being far more than those who are parasites.

I think this is a brilliant plan assuming the vetting process is real.

fullback44 said:

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Trolling the media .. give us $5 million and your in

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A lot of other countries have something similar. New Zealand had a program for $3 million.

Yukon Cornelius said:

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What's easier then what's going on now? Feels like you're trying to find a reason not to like this idea and are grasping at "muh terrorists". Bro they are already here by the 1000s

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True, they are, I guess i just don't want to make it any easier for them is all.