The comparisons are apt when you look at what books the Nazis were burning.

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The comparisons are apt when you look at what books the Nazis were burning.

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Can you elaborate? IMO there is no comparison because removing lewd perverted filth from elementary schools is not the same as banning it from society. A godless liberal parent could still buy these books depicting lewd sexual acts for their children from Amazon or Barnes & Noble.

Were the Germans just banning p0rn and gay indoctrination pamphlets? Weren't they burning non-sexual stuff too?

Not defending any book here. Two of the main arguments I hear are this:

1) There is a process to remove questionable books. Schools buy books in bulk and often don't know the full scope of what every book contains. So when its determined something is offensive, there's a process to remove it. The book sellers are responsible for what is in those bulk purchases and one librarian can know that book is bad, but can't realistically know what is on every page of every book.

2) Parents are so worried about what is in the library when most kids (middle school and up) have access to so much more (and worse) on their phones/tablets/computers. Add that the library, as a physical book resource, is the most under-utilized (least used) asset any school has. The exception is elementary schools where the kids go every week and pick out books. This argument will often merge into the discussion about cell phone use in school. School folk will note that parents vehemently object to cell phone limitations while teachers claim the kids are exchanging lewd/inappropriate/sexual materials through their phones all day long instead of focusing on the subject matter.

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Yes, the Nazis did burn books related to transgender and homosexual issues as part of their broader campaign against what they considered "degenerate" or "un-German" literature.

One of the most notable targets was the work of Magnus Hirschfeld, a prominent sexologist who founded the Institute for Sexual Science in Berlin. Hirschfeld was a pioneer in advocating for the rights of homosexuals and transgender individuals. His institute housed a vast library on sexuality, including works on transvestism, homosexuality, and gender identity. On May 6, 1933, just days before the well-publicized book burnings, Nazis raided Hirschfeld's institute, seizing and later burning many of these books during the May 10, 1933, book burnings. Titles included:

Hirschfeld's own works such as "The Transvestites: The Erotic Drive to Cross-Dress" and "The Homosexuality of Men and Women."
Other research materials and books from the institute's library that dealt with sexual minorities.

This action was part of a larger purge of literature that did not align with Nazi ideology, including works that supported sexual freedom, gender variance, or homosexuality, which they deemed to be threats to the "Aryan" purity and traditional family values.

Therefore, while the term "trans ideology" might not have been used in the same way it is today, books and research that discussed or supported transgender issues were indeed among those burned by the Nazis.

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The comparisons are apt when you look at what books the Nazis were burning.

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The Nazis were banning/burning books to remove them from society altogether.

That is not analogous to banning inappropriate books, or books with no primary educational value, from being in certain places that are readily accessible to impressionable school children.

No books are being burned, or banned, just moved.

As far as access, my tax dollars shouldn't pay for young children to have access to books like that. Phones and internets are parent controlled items. I expect the school to have filters that prevent porn access on school grounds for the same reason that libraries, with finite space, should be selective and age appropriate about the books provided on their shelves.

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Sea Speed said:

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The comparisons are apt when you look at what books the Nazis were burning.

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Can you elaborate? IMO there is no comparison because removing lewd perverted filth from elementary schools is not the same as banning it from society. A godless liberal parent could still buy these books depicting lewd sexual acts for their children from Amazon or Barnes & Noble.

Were the Germans just banning p0rn and gay indoctrination pamphlets? Weren't they burning non-sexual stuff too?

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Something not remarked upon as much is Germany was under an influx of regressive Marxist influence as well as the time of the rise of the Nazis. This did manifest in the social and art arena and the degeneracy provoked backlash in turn. That's probably what the remark refers to but have to wait.

Gotcha, I believe they were also burning non-pornographic works by people like Albert Einstein and Helen Keller as well. But still...that is much different than pulling gay p0rno comic books depicting oral sex from the shelves of K-5 kids libraries.

Man, y'all are taking my comment way too seriously. I am not calling the right Hitler. It was a joke meant to point out that the Nazis were burning trans garbage, which most people do not know.

Helen Keller is a fraud so they should have been burning hers if they weren't.

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Helen Keller is a fraud so they should have been burning hers if they weren't b

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the right bans pr0n books from public elementary school libraries

the left bans literary classics like To Kill A Mockingbird because Atticus Finch white knighting for poor wrongly accused Tom Robinson might offend little black children

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Not defending any book here. Two of the main arguments I hear are this:

1) There is a process to remove questionable books. Schools buy books in bulk and often don't know the full scope of what every book contains. So when its determined something is offensive, there's a process to remove it. The book sellers are responsible for what is in those bulk purchases and one librarian can know that book is bad, but can't realistically know what is on every page of every book.

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Bull***** Those books are very intentionally put on shelves to impact students. Those subjects should not be broached in public schools. They are conversations for parents to have at home with their children, and that is the biggest reason they should be banned from schools.

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2) Parents are so worried about what is in the library when most kids (middle school and up) have access to so much more (and worse) on their phones/tablets/computers.

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That has literally nothing to do with the trash taxpayers are paying for ISDs to put on shelves to indoctrinate students.

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They should absolutely be banned from schools, but 99% of the blame is generally placed on the wrong people. It is generally the publishers who put them in bulk purchases, not the librarians or school level employees. This exact situation happened at the new high school in our country. They ordered what was essentially the 'new school 1500-2000 students' order and it had I think three of these in it. So if you want to say it is intentional go ahead. Just understand it is more often than not the publishers doing it.

The second part has everything to do with it. It is laughable to me that parents send kids to school with full access to the internet on their phones and complain about a book in a library that very few if any students would actually see. It is hypocrisy 101. Laughably idiotic. It is kind of like supporting new regulations then complaining about admin bloat. But worse.

We should literally ban books like that. Not even just in schools. It shouldn't be allowed to exist on this earth.

I'm not sure where you've got this idea that liberals want to ban To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't think this nor do I know any liberal that thinks this. But lets talk about what republicans have actually banned so far.

https://www.cfpublic.org/education/2024-11-11/florida-list-banned-books-schools

Here is a ban list from Florida's department of education. It includes

1984
Anne Frank's Diary
The Fountainhead
The Handmaids Tale
Ready Player One
Jaws

Many on this list are in fact literary classics. This whole debate is one big trojan horse. Gender Queer obviously isn't appropriate for students, but this outrage has led to many books with just the slightest amount of sexual content being banned. To Kill a Mockingbird mentions rape. That is sexual content. Does this mean it should be banned too? Of course not, but this is where the inquisition has devolved into.

Nice deflection. Here's an example from this week of depraved leftists wanting kindergartners to have access to degenerate books in their school library.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14391229/board-meeting-LGBTQ-naked-Pride-kindergarten.html

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A school board meeting descended into chaos during an argument over an LGBTQ pride book that was made available to children in kindergarten.

The book, titled 'The Rainbow Parade', illustrates a young child and her two moms attending a pride parade together, where they see men in bondage holding hands and a near naked person walking the streets alone.

Outraged parents from Penfield Central School in New York attended a board meeting on Tuesday night in an effort to voice their concerns, but were shut down by officials who refused to listen.

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Good thing Garland is no longer AG, because these parents would likely be under counterterrorism surveillance if he was.

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'We have the policy in place. The procedures in place to object [to learning materials],' she said.
Parents began shouting their concerns from the crowd as she said: 'That is not how you object.'

'We will ask people who cannot do that to be removed. We are here at our board meeting. We're conducting our business.'

That comment sparked outrage from the crowd, who booed Potter and the rest of the board as they got to their feet and walked out of the room.

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These school "book bans" are the equivalent of not allowing unaccompanied kids into rated R movies but I never heard anyone call that a "movie ban".

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These school "book bans" are the equivalent of not allowing unaccompanied kids into rated R movies but I never heard anyone call that a "movie ban".

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yeah; and if parents still want their children to look at gender queer books, they can buy it on amazon or check it out at the public library; just not the public elementary school library. oooohh such nazi. so facist.

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El Gallo Blanco said:

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Why do your democrat peers all throw tantrums and compare GOP governors to "Hitler" when they order books like "Gender Queer", with the following images (also includes sodomy), to be removed from children's school libraries? I can't tell you how many of your leaders and comrades I have seen calling these "book bans"...which isn't accurate at all as no one is banning these books from being purchased...and comparing their removal from school libraries to the Third Reich burning books.



Second question...why do liberals also simultaneously fight to remove classic literary works of art like "To Kill a Mockingbird" and "Huck Finn" from school libraries.

Really hoping for genuine thoughtful responses from the progressives on here. Help me understand why books depicting pre-teens sucking each other's d***s should be in my precious daughter's school library. Thanks!

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Those kinds of images were shown by DeSantis when he talked about removing these books from elementary schools. They're explicit enough that the TV News cameras had to zoom out and blur the images because they weren't suitable for TV. Yet somehow they're ok for an elementary library.

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And the Democrats lied and rebranded it as "Don't Say Gay"
And still lost.

Why do democrats want little kids to be exposed to porn?