Can Texas fix the 21 billion dollar child support issue?

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https://www.kxan.com/investigations/central-texas-mom-awaits-nearly-40k-in-child-support-parents-owed-21b-statewide/

Over 21 billion dollars owed in child support in the state. We need a state DOGE unit to clean out the corruption here also.

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Other than garnishing wages or tossing deadbeat parents in jail, what is it you want the State to fix?

They already do those things.
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So you want DOGE to come in and intimidate deadbeat parents to pay up?
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it's been challenging raising her three daughters without the help of their dads

Sounds like a personal problem.
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What is the corruption? Dead beat parents that won't pay their child support? That's not government corruption, that's sh***y parents and dysfunctional lifestyles. Not a "DOGE" function.
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While I'm not a big Ken Paxton fan, I don't think there's a whole lot more that can be done to make the system wrok for the hardest cases. In the end, the only effective way to avoid child support issues is not to have a child with a lowlife.
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This is more a cultural issue than a legal or even financial one.

Neither marriage nor sex have the value they once had in our culture.

Marriage is now expected by most to be temporary.

Sex is respected little more than a handshake by a large subset of American culture. "Hooking up" is lionized throughout popular entertainment. Delaying sex until marriage, or at least a committed relationship is considered "weird".

Fix those two issues, and "Child Support" needs are greatly reduced.
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I have a family member who's forced to deal with a deadbeat dad and ex husband. His license and registration is already suspended but it's a small town, so the good 'ol boy network prevails and lets him skate, even when he's pulled over. When he's not too lazy to work, those that will employ him consent to pay him cash so that his wages aren't garnished.

He's a waste of space but putting his worthless butt in jail, while insanely gratifying, wouldn't do anything but cost the taxpayers money unless they're prepared to accept a couple of cases of natty light and a pickup truck as settlement (split between 3 kids).
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Ducks4brkfast said:

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it's been challenging raising her three daughters without the help of their DADS

Sounds like a personal problem.
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Secolobo said:

Probably all illegals. Their births were funded by taxpayers. Getting snap. Getting illegal earned income credit from fake SS numbers. Getting free health care and education...etc...etc...etc...


Lol. I know several deadbeat Dads and they are not Brown. If you are able to get a girl pregnant you are expected to pay. Don't want abortions but also Deadbeat Dads don't want to pay the child either.

Child loses out at all costs of deadbeat parents
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Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
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CPS and child support in this state is broken. Yes there needs to be a Unit to Audit and clean up.
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thanks for the tip but what is and where is this "corruption" you claim Texas needs a DOGE task force to take on?
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I have always found it odd that the people that grow up without a father in the household seem to have no problems abandoning their own children too. You'd think you would not want to put your own kids through the struggles of a single parent home but I guess if you're never taught how to be a man and be responsible for your actions, you never learn.
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Secolobo said:

Probably all illegals. Their births were funded by taxpayers. Getting snap. Getting illegal earned income credit from fake SS numbers. Getting free health care and education...etc...etc...etc...
That's an awfully broad brush there.
There's trashy worthless people of all colors, and it's just trashy-low value lifestyle that leads to these situations.
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FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.
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Ducks4brkfast said:

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it's been challenging raising her three daughters without the help of their dads

Sounds like a personal problem.


Yeah 3 Dads and none help is ridiculously irresponsible

Taxpayers shouldn't be in the hook to pay for police and judges to fix this
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Secolobo said:

Probably all illegals. Their births were funded by taxpayers. Getting snap. Getting illegal earned income credit from fake SS numbers. Getting free health care and education...etc...etc...etc...
This is BS. Very few of them are illegals. They are just trash.
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Dad-O-Lot said:

This is more a cultural issue than a legal or even financial one.

Neither marriage nor sex have the value they once had in our culture.

Marriage is now expected by most to be temporary.

Sex is respected little more than a handshake by a large subset of American culture. "Hooking up" is lionized throughout popular entertainment. Delaying sex until marriage, or at least a committed relationship is considered "weird".

Fix those two issues, and "Child Support" needs are greatly reduced.
Not enough blue stars. When sex became a recreational game this problem was inevitable.
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Castration would maybe make some think about paying.

Also, after second "mistake" women should have tubes tied.
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Secolobo said:

Probably all illegals. Their births were funded by taxpayers. Getting snap. Getting illegal earned income credit from fake SS numbers. Getting free health care and education...etc...etc...etc...
Less than you think.

Go get on a dating app. See who has 4 kids by 3 dads. It isn't the guatemalans.
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redag06 said:

FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.
That's not the basis of CS. The child should received the same support as if the parents were stilling living together with a combined income. The mother's income alone is immaterial.
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redag06 said:

FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.



You don't enjoy paying max child support to your remarried ex who you share 50/50 custody with?
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lot of the deadbeats work cash only jobs

so garnishing wages in not an option
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The Fall Guy said:

https://www.kxan.com/investigations/central-texas-mom-awaits-nearly-40k-in-child-support-parents-owed-21b-statewide/

Over 21 billion dollars owed in child support in the state. We need a state DOGE unit to clean out the corruption here also.



Please show where there's corruption.
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JobSecurity said:

redag06 said:

FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.



You don't enjoy paying max child support to your remarried ex who you share 50/50 custody with?

Consider yourself lucky that spousal support is not mandatory in Texas.
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The Fall Guy said:

Secolobo said:

Probably all illegals. Their births were funded by taxpayers. Getting snap. Getting illegal earned income credit from fake SS numbers. Getting free health care and education...etc...etc...etc...


Lol. I know several deadbeat Dads and they are not Brown. If you are able to get a girl pregnant you are expected to pay. Don't want abortions but also Deadbeat Dads don't want to pay the child either.

Child loses out at all costs of deadbeat parents
There it is. Not corruption. It's crappy people.
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Martin Cash said:

redag06 said:

FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.
That's not the basis of CS. The child should received the same support as if the parents were stilling living together with a combined income. The mother's income alone is immaterial.

Pie in the sky feelings right there.

Married couples create generational wealth.

Divorce destroys any chance of building generational wealth unless you have money or pre-nupped wisely.
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I'm happily married with the next generation of Good Ags, so I'm not affected by this as much. I think one significant issues is child support it is awarded when it shouldn't be. Default should be that parents get 50/50% custody and no child support. Child support should only be issued for 2 yrs or less if there is 50/50% custody to help a parent with significantly less resources.

Cheating spouse should never be awarded spousal support or child support.
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Ol Rock said:

I'm happily married with the next generation of Good Ags, so I'm not affected by this as much. I think one significant issues is child support it is awarded when it shouldn't be. Default should be that parents get 50/50% custody and no child support. Child support should only be issued for 2 yrs or less if there is 50/50% custody to help a parent with significantly less resources.

Cheating spouse should never be awarded spousal support or child support.


How is a cheating spouse the fault of the child?
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The state garnishes the wages of deadbeat dads in prison. Of course, state prisoners only earn something like $1.75/day.
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Ol Rock said:

I'm happily married with the next generation of Good Ags, so I'm not affected by this as much. I think one significant issues is child support it is awarded when it shouldn't be. Default should be that parents get 50/50% custody and no child support. Child support should only be issued for 2 yrs or less if there is 50/50% custody to help a parent with significantly less resources.

Cheating spouse should never be awarded spousal support or child support.
You hit the nail on the head in the first paragraph, I'm not sure about the line below though. I got divorced about 12 years ago and am almost done with child support. I have a bit more than standard (50/50 was definitely not the standard at the time). I have the kids at my house about 46% of the time if you calculate it out, but pay 30% of my salary in child support (3 kids) even though we both make roughly the same amount. Where the system fails is that I still have to provide for them roughly half of the time, food clothes activities, car big enough for the family, home big enough and on and on. So a large portion of my disposable income goes to the ex for her to "spend on the kids". This leads to having less at dad's house and more at mom's. We are getting closer to college and an awkward conversation about why I haven't saved as much as I wish I could for them, I will have to explain that it went to their mom, and I hope she set it aside. Spoiler alert-she did not set it aside.
ETA: That story talks about mom supposedly not getting her payments (I will admit the system is a mess) but it conveniently does not mention about when the AG office messes up on the dad's side. It is nearly impossible to get them to correct a mistake.
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redag06 said:

FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.
The state of Texas needs to come out of the 1950's, and wake up. Women/Mom's make money now and many times the same if not more than men. The non-custodial parent shouldn't have to pay the outrageous amounts the state feels they should, when their ex/baby mama is making the same if not more money.
Agreed!

When my wife got divorced, she was a young immigrant that barely spoke English and couldn't afford a lawyer. Her **** bag ex husband had his lawyer threaten to have her deported that day and never see her kids again if she didn't give him custody on the spot. She was a green card holder, so that was a lie, but it scared her into agreement.

Ever since then she's been fighting an uphill battle to get back her rights.

Three years after their divorce he wrecked his car going way over the speed limit and killed her son and left her daughter with a TBI that resulted in mental deficiencies and partial paralysis. He had recently been fired for meth and his car was full of booze, then refused a blood test at the scene. A local Grand Jury let him off for Negligent Homicide due to a "lack of evidence". Evidence that was latter discovered in a product liability suit via the black box in the car, but it was too late and the DA wouldn't do anything.

Since he got off, his reckless behavior did virtually nothing for us in a Child Custody Modification suit. My wife got back to 50/50 custody, but he got to keep primary residency and she's had to pay him child support for the last decade. He's completely obsessed with keeping my stepdaughter away from my wife as some sort of sick punishment for ending their marriage. Never shown even a single bit of remorse for killing her son and maiming her daughter.

Now that my stepdaughter is 18, my wife still has to pay him child support, despite the fact that he's brainwashed my stepdaughter so thoroughly that she won't even call my wife or come visit us. The fact that he ruined her life has triggered my wife paying child support to him past the age of 18. It's the most backwards **** I've ever seen in my life and we're told the legal cards are stacked against us. We're back in a legal battle, but it's not looking good, might get rid of child support but that's it.

Also the whole child support thing is bull**** anyway, at least in many circumstances. For example, we provided my stepdaughter, food, shelter, a bed, paid her health insurance, bought her clothes, bought her school supplies, entertainment, etc. The only difference between what we provided her and what her father provided her, was that she spent more nights at his house, so she ate more there, but he enjoyed the luxury of her company much more than we did. We also paid her medical insurance, which he didn't. Why does he deserve $550 a month from my wife in that scenario? Also that piece of **** has worked for 9 months out of the last 11 years, while sitting on his ass collecting my stepdaughters disability and child support.

I'm so ****ing frustrated at the whole system!
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Kenneth_2003 said:

Ducks4brkfast said:

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it's been challenging raising her three daughters without the help of their DADS

Sounds like a personal problem.
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Having the mom do a paternity test should be a prerequisite for child support.
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FatZilla said:

Start by fixing the outrageous Custody and CS system that heavily favors the woman in the first place.

Yeah, that's also an issue. There are many deadbeat dads but the system is heavily weighted against dads to begin with.
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