Simple solution.

Pope should mind his own business. Rule his little country and STFU about other countries.

It's either him and his men telling other people how to do their jobs, or telling other people that their deities/gods are not good enough and he would like to replace them.

Mind your own effin business. I hate such meddling people.

Like many popes, bishops, and other church leader, Pope Francis does not understand that good nations enforce immigration laws. We can't just let everyone who claims they are trying to claim asylum or escape their horrid conditions in their home country. Also, many tax-funded Catholic Charities are coaching illegal aliens on how to resist deportation and defy immigration laws, enabling the border crisis, and pocketing millions in federal grants to relocate migrants into American communities. This isn't compassion, it's an organized violation of our sovereignty and security.

Does anyone really care what the pope thinks?

aTmAg - agree 1000%. Problem solved.

Pope with the same mental capacity as Biden.

Does President Trump tell the pope how to run the Vatican or the Roman Catholic church? No, because he keeps his nose in his own business. Take notes, Jrge.

So says the man who lives behind 30-foot walls.

Would be nice to have a pope who reflects biblical Christianity again. Christ would have been an outspoken advocate for deportations, and I don't think it's remotely debatable.

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Does anyone really care what the pope thinks?

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— Eternal Memri TV (@EMTVmemes) February 12, 2025

Hot take here:

The Catholic church is probably deep state sponsored by the US Bureaucracy & cartels and Musk and team are probably close to proving it. It's the only logical explanation.

As I said before, this is all about the money and money only.

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Outspoken Catholic leader Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano has responde to the letter and called out Red Francis main concern is not about immigrants, but about losing the steady flow of American tax dollars into the Church's coffers for immigrant "services."

The recent exposure of the U.S. Agency for International Development's (USAID) funding of a myriad of NGOs shows just how much money is being siphoned from American taxpayers to enrich globalist causes.

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Per Forbes:

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CRS, a nonprofit, received $4.6 billion from 2013 to 2022. Other top recipients include Chemonics International, a for-profit organization that received $4.5 billion; FHI 360, a nonprofit that received $3.8 billion; and Development Alternatives, a for-profit organization that received $3 billion.

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.Archbishop Vigano writes:

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Jorge Bergoglio's letter to the Bishops of the United States is the most obvious admission of the effectiveness of the measures adopted by the Trump Administration to counter the operation of ethnic substitution desired by the globalist elite through mass "immigration" from the Third World.

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When a religious leader opens his yap and makes political comments, then he is fair game to be criticized and denounced as a politician would.

https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-christian-theology-is-the-grandmother-of-bolshevism-oswald-spengler-43-73-52.jpg
He's right you know

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Like many popes, bishops, and other church leader, Pope Francis does not understand that good nations enforce immigration laws. We can't just let everyone who claims they are trying to claim asylum or escape their horrid conditions in their home country. Also, many tax-funded Catholic Charities are coaching illegal aliens on how to resist deportation and defy immigration laws, enabling the border crisis, and pocketing millions in federal grants to relocate migrants into American communities. This isn't compassion, it's an organized violation of our sovereignty and security.

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Why do so many Catholics vote for democrats when libbies fully support abortion?

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Hot take here:

The Catholic church is probably deep state sponsored by the US Bureaucracy & cartels and Musk and team are probably close to proving it. It's the only logical explanation.

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Almost a guarantee that they get funds from the US govt either directly or indirectly.

There's so much cognitive dissonance on this thread. All political issues are ultimately theological issues, because politics deals with how we commune and treat each other, and our rights and obligations in society. Politics is downstream of religion. Pope Francis is writing to the U.S. Bishops. The fact that he apparently, mistakenly I think, thinks U.S. immigration policy is unjust doesn't mean this is out of bounds or not in the scope of things he should address. That's dumb.

I would bet most of you, like me, appreciated the VP's take on the Ordo Amoris. And there's a thinly veiled response by the Pope to his take on that. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anyone of you telling Vance to stfu and stay in his lane. So that's interesting.

It's worth mentioning that Vigano was charged with schism and has been excommunicated during Francis' papacy. I like the Archbishop, and I pray for him, but that's important context. I realize it doesn't mean any of what he's saying is untrue either.

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I wasn't being critical of you or your post specifically. I agree that the commentary should be about what he actually said, which is still worthy of criticism as I provided. My apologies if you felt targeted, it wasn't my intention.

Still, I see a very obvious intent behind how Pope Francis' quotes are handled by the media of all types. The obvious reasoning, that being to drive a wedge between the Pope and conservative Catholics, seems too simple, to shallow. I think there is deeper purpose to this pattern. My gut tells me that Francis and his ilk WANT his quotes to be misconstrued and misreported.

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Yes, that's been my criticism. He very often speaks and writes in a way that lends itself to distortion.

And the letter itself is suggestive of the premise that Trump is indiscriminately rounding up all immigrants and deporting them and violating the dignity of the human person, which Homan has said is not what's happening. And I've seen no evidence of that either.

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Good grief the mental gymnastics you are going through to defend a left leaning pope is crazy. The current pope has claimed many times to favor communism and has been vocal against Trump.

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This, as you know, is the programme of Marxist socialism and then of communism. Are you therefore thinking of a Marxist type of society?

"It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians.


On the flight back to Rome, he was asked about then-U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump's promise to build a wall along the border. The pope replied, "A person who only builds walls and not bridges is not Christian."

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I wasn't being critical of you or your post specifically. I agree that the commentary should be about what he actually said, which is still worthy of criticism as I provided. My apologies if you felt targeted, it wasn't my intention.

Still, I see a very obvious intent behind how Pope Francis' quotes are handled by the media of all types. The obvious reasoning, that being to drive a wedge between the Pope and conservative Catholics, seems too simple, to shallow. I think there is deeper purpose to this pattern. My gut tells me that Francis and his ilk WANT his quotes to be misconstrued and misreported.

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Yes, that's been my criticism. He very often speaks and writes in a way that lends itself to distortion.

And the letter itself is suggestive of the premise that Trump is indiscriminately rounding up all immigrants and deporting them and violating the dignity of the human person, which Homan has said is not what's happening. And I've seen no evidence of that either.

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Good grief the mental gymnastics you are going through to defend a left leaning pope is crazy. The current pope has claimed many times to favor communism and has been vocal against Trump.

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This, as you know, is the programme of Marxist socialism and then of communism. Are you therefore thinking of a Marxist type of society?

"It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians.


On the flight back to Rome, he was asked about then-U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump's promise to build a wall along the border. The pope replied, "A person who only builds walls and not bridges is not Christian."

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That's bull crap. You don't know what you're talking about about. I criticized the heck out of Traditionis Custodes and Fiducia Supplicans among other things, and on this website. I've been extremely critical of this papacy. I just don't hate the Church or the doctrine of the papacy like you. Sorry that bothers you.

Add the Synod on Synodality to the list of things I've criticized him for.

When did I say I hate the church? Awfully bold and incorrect assumption.

This thread is about the current pope criticizing US immigration policy and how the Catholic church has received over $4.6 billion the last 10 years. Once it was brought to light how much money they were getting and how much aid they were providing to illegally bringing immigrants into the USA they got upset.

This is the same pope that wants Israel to take down the west wall and there should be no walls...unless its around the Vatican

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It's worth mentioning that Vigano was charged with schism and has been excommunicated during Francis' papacy.

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No kidding. The Pope is a marxist and doesn't like people telling the truth.

https://texags.com/forums/15/topics/3525354

Here's a great thread that I can't believe y'all have missed

I kind of always liked this one:

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"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's."

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Won't the migrants nominally be getting returned to countries that are more Roman Catholic than we are? You'd think the Pope would be happy they won't have to tolerate America's horribleness.

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When did I say I hate the church? Awfully bold and incorrect assumption.

This thread is about the current pope criticizing US immigration policy and how the Catholic church has received over $4.6 billion the last 10 years. Once it was brought to light how much money they were getting and how much aid they were providing to illegally bringing immigrants into the USA they got upset.

This is the same pope that wants Israel to take down the west wall and there should be no walls...unless its around the Vatican

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It's not that bold.

That's what this thread is about, which makes it odd that you're bringing up things this thread isn't about and then questioning why I haven't criticized the Pope for those things. 2 things can be true. Everything he actually said in his letter is true, and U.S. immigration policy is in keeping with Catholic moral theology on Immigration.

It's like flies to honey with this group. Someone posts a caricature of something someone you don't like said so everyone can beat the fake thing that was said to a pulp. I wasn't defending the letter per se. Just pointing out that it makes you look foolish when y'all either don't read, or clearly don't understand what you've read.

Did you also know that the Pope has been highly critical of abortion, IVF, the too much "******ry" (his word) in the seminaries, gay "marriage", and other conservative causes. There are a lot of things to like about the guy.

It very much is. The catholic church has taken billions of dollars from US tax payers with a large portion to aid people from other countries to break the law and illegally immigrate to the US. This pope has come out very strongly against Trump since he announced running for president in 2014 and has already attacked Vance. He is all about giving his political opinion

I am not going to have a discussion about the pope's current beliefs on a politics forum but lets just say I will stick to my bible as the word of truth and not this pope.

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It very much is. The catholic church has taken billions of dollars from US tax payers with a large portion to aid people from other countries to break the law and illegally immigrate to the US. This pope has come out very strongly against Trump since he announced running for president in 2014 and has already attacked Vance. He is all about giving his political opinion

I am not going to have a discussion about the pope's current beliefs on a politics forum but lets just say I will stick to my bible as the word of truth and not this pope.

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Okay. Sounds like Trump is effectively your Pope. Good luck with that.

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When the Vatican stops sweeping pedophilia cases under the rug like common dust, I'll care about their holy than thou attitude.

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Add they need to give away the massive wealth and priceless collections to show they believe what they preach down.

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Always a weak take and very below your usual common sense replies. The US should also sell everything from the Smithsonian and National Galleries to pay off the debt by that logic . The Roman Catholic and its charities have been among the largest charitable organizations for a long, long time, and the artwork/religious artifacts are not for sale - they're for preservation.

For the folks who think the Vatican wall is some sort of a "gottcha", that wall was put up in the 9th century to help fend off those intent on murdering/enslaving all inside. Quite different than ours, which I wholeheartedly support.

The last two popes were much more reasonable about this....

Lol never said that either. Keep putting words in my mouth

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Lol never said that either. Keep putting words in my mouth

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I love that you said this in reply to yourself. Very apt.

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I wasn't being critical of you or your post specifically. I agree that the commentary should be about what he actually said, which is still worthy of criticism as I provided. My apologies if you felt targeted, it wasn't my intention.

Still, I see a very obvious intent behind how Pope Francis' quotes are handled by the media of all types. The obvious reasoning, that being to drive a wedge between the Pope and conservative Catholics, seems too simple, to shallow. I think there is deeper purpose to this pattern. My gut tells me that Francis and his ilk WANT his quotes to be misconstrued and misreported.

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Yes, that's been my criticism. He very often speaks and writes in a way that lends itself to distortion.

And the letter itself is suggestive of the premise that Trump is indiscriminately rounding up all immigrants and deporting them and violating the dignity of the human person, which Homan has said is not what's happening. And I've seen no evidence of that either.

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Good grief the mental gymnastics you are going through to defend a left leaning pope is crazy. The current pope has claimed many times to favor communism and has been vocal against Trump.

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This, as you know, is the programme of Marxist socialism and then of communism. Are you therefore thinking of a Marxist type of society?

"It it has been said many times and my response has always been that, if anything, it is the communists who think like Christians.


On the flight back to Rome, he was asked about then-U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump's promise to build a wall along the border. The pope replied, "A person who only builds walls and not bridges is not Christian."

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Except for the part of their governments hardly ever known to walk the talk, unlike the Apostles. Kind of like our Leftists in the Hill and MSM pushing it while reaping the rewards of Capitalism.

Known getaways are down 93 percent as of Feb 1 Fox News just had on. Sorry Catholic Charities isn't making bank any longer off the taxpayers for human smuggling/trafficking.

The Catholic Church was fully aware of billions pouring into Catholic Charities from State, USAID & FEMA.

Some astonishing quotes from an open letter sent by Bishop Joseph Strickland:

"Today, about two thirds of Catholic Charities’ annual spending comes from government sources" https://t.co/BhqzTxagA1

— Jeff Carlson (@themarketswork) February 11, 2025

Their vile leadership made bank while subjecting humans to suffering at taxpayer expense.

The CEO of @CatholicRelief Services - a poverty relief charity - rakes in $640K in salary.

CRS is a major beneficiary of USAID, and is now facing 50% budget cuts in light of the USAID shake-up.

Will CEO Sean Callahan likewise cut his salary in half?

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— Christine Niles (@ChristineNiles1) February 7, 2025

More suits/clawbacks and deportations will continue to follow. They best stay out of the way now.

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President Trump has directed this to stop. And if you don't comply with federal law, we will hold you accountable. We did it to an Illinois (sic) strike one, strike two is New York. And if you are a state not complying with federal law, you're next, get ready.

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Bondi was only just confirmed a week ago; it certainly hasn't taken her long to take control.

This shouldn't come as a huge surprise to any of the blue-state officials named in any of these suits. Border czar Tom "The Hammer" Homan has not been shy about proclaiming that any state, city, or other local officials who attempt to impede federal officials in their tasks of locating, detaining, and repatriating illegal aliens would face federal charges. AG Pam Bondi would appear to be serious about this as well.

That's as it should be; President Trump made mass repatriations an issue in his campaign, he spoke long and repeatedly on the topic, and a considerable percentage of Americans, in recent surveys, support the effort.

One wonders how long it will take AG Bondi to set her sights on other blue states - California, for example, which is the state with (by a considerable margin) the state with the highest number of illegal immigrants. The California Assembly is already appropriating funds to shelter illegal aliens; that may well be AG Bondi's next legal battlefield. But, as Democrats insisted during the previous administration, immigration is a federal, not a state, issue. Shoe's on the other foot now.

We're still winning, folks.

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The Pope should stay in his lane, and it ain't law enforcement or politics in the US.

Whole thing is such a mess. Evil globalists and socialist governments using religion against its own citizens. "We need an invasion of millions for political reasons so we're going to pay off the Catholic, Lutheran, etc. churches to help us because they're not allowed to say "no" and not help people seeking to make false asylum claims."