Aggie Infantry said:

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THIS!
I am relieved that I am no longer in uniform. Those drones that both sides are using in Ukraine are terrifying.

The Cartels will do the same. $500 drone with a grenade, a RPG warhead, or 2lbs of C4 can absolutely cause havoc. I suspect that the U.S. is working on anti-drone tech, but is it enough?

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Try to fly a drone in restricted airspace recently? Regular commercial drones won't even take off within x distance of an airport or private airstrip.

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Isosceles_Kramer said:

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Cartels are not organized. They fight each other and cannot take on an actual military.

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Mexico and China are big allies! FAFO is right!

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lololololol

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Rattler12 said:

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I agree with the majority of the sentiment here as regards Mexican cartels but playing the devils advocate there are two sides to this........what do we do with all the folks here within US borders that are buying and using the cartels products? Nothing? Seems to me something needs to happen on the "user" side as well as the "production" side...?????

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The playing field is different now. Fentanyl is a WMD drug. You can't just accept it as cost of doing business like other drugs and look the other way.

When a WMD enters the game, then you have to escalate to MAD. MAD means we tell and show the cartels that if they are going to use a WMD, then we are going to respond in kind.

There is no ignoring this any longer.

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Trade offs are still trade offs. People are going to die regardless. Just like Covid all we're doing is shifting the timeline and the costs.

Cartels are always faced with a prisoner dilemma. The way you bring them down is to incentivize cheating and destruction from within. More laissez-fare markets are typically a cheap and effective solution to this problem

If I were in office, I would be advocating for a military strike on cartels followed by boots on the ground. Not a single LOYAL Mexican soldier needs die.

Plan a coordinated attack with the Mexican Army on select targets of the cartels. Then, at the last second change the entire plan/invasion and see which generals/leaders are corrupt and take them out in the attack as well.

Pull a 6 day war and let Mexico know we mean business in regards to drugs, immigration, and water for South Texas!

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YouBet said:

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Rattler12 said:

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I agree with the majority of the sentiment here as regards Mexican cartels but playing the devils advocate there are two sides to this........what do we do with all the folks here within US borders that are buying and using the cartels products? Nothing? Seems to me something needs to happen on the "user" side as well as the "production" side...?????

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The playing field is different now. Fentanyl is a WMD drug. You can't just accept it as cost of doing business like other drugs and look the other way.

When a WMD enters the game, then you have to escalate to MAD. MAD means we tell and show the cartels that if they are going to use a WMD, then we are going to respond in kind.

There is no ignoring this any longer.

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Trade offs are still trade offs. People are going to die regardless. Just like Covid all we're doing is shifting the timeline and the costs.

Cartels are always faced with a prisoner dilemma. The way you bring them down is to incentivize cheating and destruction from within. More laissez-fare markets are typically a cheap and effective solution to this problem

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Yes, but do you want to lose some people in the immediate fight to mitigate the flow or do you do nothing and let your population and culture bleed out forever.

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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:

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If I were in office, I would be advocating for a military strike on cartels followed by boots on the ground. Not a single LOYAL Mexican soldier needs die.

Plan a coordinated attack with the Mexican Army on select targets of the cartels. Then, at the last second change the entire plan/invasion and see which generals/leaders are corrupt and take them out in the attack as well.

Pull a 6 day war and let Mexico know we mean business in regards to drugs, immigration, and water for South Texas!

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You can't coordinate with the Mexican army. As soon as you do, that intel is already in the cartels hands.

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That is true. That is why the United States and Mexico coordinated with the Mexican Marines. Much smaller and less corrupt than the institutionalized Mexican Army. Probably different now.

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Aggie Infantry said:

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THIS!
I am relieved that I am no longer in uniform. Those drones that both sides are using in Ukraine are terrifying.

The Cartels will do the same. $500 drone with a grenade, a RPG warhead, or 2lbs of C4 can absolutely cause havoc. I suspect that the U.S. is working on anti-drone tech, but is it enough?

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Try to fly a drone in restricted airspace recently? Regular commercial drones won't even take off within x distance of an airport or private airstrip.

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Several years ago when we had some DJI Mavics, we were able to contact DJI and have them drop the geofence for us a number of times so that we could run missions.

So, it appears that China could drop them if they wanted to...maybe for some cartel cash?

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IndividualFreedom said:
We had also better be prepared for an internal ground war when they activate those 5 Million cartel loyalists that walked over. They could be arming themselves now.

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First, chop off several zeroes. Even the cartels in Mexico aren't 1/20 of that size.

Also, you can't coordinate that many people without someone knowing about it. If they were organized, they'd already have been caught.

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I agree that it would be a hard secret to keep. That said, I'd suggest brown skin individuals resist getting that face tattoo.

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Erik Prince on letters of marque;

Exclusive — Erik Prince: Letters of Marque Would Allow Private Organizations to Wipe Out Drug Cartelshttps://t.co/E3nIbLyOI7

— Chuck from Houston (@BipodM240B) February 2, 2025

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"Letters of marque and reprisal are government-issued commissions that authorize private citizens (privateers) to perform acts that would otherwise be considered piracy, like attacking enemy ships during wartime Privateers are rewarded with a cut of the loot they 'bring home,'" Lee explained in his post.

When asked by Boyle "what the process would be for a Letter of Marque to be issued" and if it would come from the White House or Congress, Prince explained that the "last Letter of Marque" had been issued after Pearl Harbor "to a blimp operator who was authorized to hunt Japanese submarines."

"I believe the last Letter of Marque was actually issued after Pearl Harbor in 1942, and it was actually issued to a blimp operator who was authorized to hunt Japanese submarines off the coast of California. And, I don't know if that was a simple vote of Congress, or if that was a committee procedure, or what. But, that model you could actually do something similar with a presidential finding today, giving an entity a private organization a hunting license. And, then of course, when they were issued to ships, you'd have to post a bond a performance bond of certain rules you're going to follow, effectively rules of engagement for them to proceed," Prince explained.

"So, that could be done in certain areas of Mexico, certain areas of Latin America, to soak up the spoils of the illegal trade and of course the cartels' ability to operate and to terrorize local civilian populations," Prince said.

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Make violently gutting the cartels legal and profitable. Someone clever with words could come up with a slogan in there somehow.

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Do we get to act like the government and implement asset forfeiture? Because I really want a tiger and a gold AK.

Your terms are acceptable.

Hackers would utterly destroy their networks. Just need to make sure they hackers are 'Merican

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Rip all of the drones out of the sky over the Texas border. Make it a test run for a general war and how you would do it.

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If the Cartels are sending drones north of the border, I don't believe that Trump-Hegseth & Company are going to stop at the border chasing the drones south.

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rab79 said:

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Aggie Infantry said:

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THIS!
I am relieved that I am no longer in uniform. Those drones that both sides are using in Ukraine are terrifying.

The Cartels will do the same. $500 drone with a grenade, a RPG warhead, or 2lbs of C4 can absolutely cause havoc. I suspect that the U.S. is working on anti-drone tech, but is it enough?

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Try to fly a drone in restricted airspace recently? Regular commercial drones won't even take off within x distance of an airport or private airstrip.

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Several years ago when we had some DJI Mavics, we were able to contact DJI and have them drop the geofence for us a number of times so that we could run missions.

So, it appears that China could drop them if they wanted to...maybe for some cartel cash?

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Didn't DJI just drop geofencing? They weren't required to have it as I recall and dropped it...supposedly in protest to US actions they don't see as favorable to them.

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rab79 said:

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Aggie Infantry said:

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THIS!
I am relieved that I am no longer in uniform. Those drones that both sides are using in Ukraine are terrifying.

The Cartels will do the same. $500 drone with a grenade, a RPG warhead, or 2lbs of C4 can absolutely cause havoc. I suspect that the U.S. is working on anti-drone tech, but is it enough?

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Try to fly a drone in restricted airspace recently? Regular commercial drones won't even take off within x distance of an airport or private airstrip.

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Several years ago when we had some DJI Mavics, we were able to contact DJI and have them drop the geofence for us a number of times so that we could run missions.

So, it appears that China could drop them if they wanted to...maybe for some cartel cash?

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Didn't DJI just drop geofencing? They weren't required to have it as I recall and dropped it...supposedly in protest to US actions they don't see as favorable to them.

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Not sure. We bailed from all Chinesium UAS because we work with the state and fed governments a lot and they have Blue List requirements (NDAA-compliant).

V8Aggie said:

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Kunkle for Congress TX-34 said:

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If I were in office, I would be advocating for a military strike on cartels followed by boots on the ground. Not a single LOYAL Mexican soldier needs die.

Plan a coordinated attack with the Mexican Army on select targets of the cartels. Then, at the last second change the entire plan/invasion and see which generals/leaders are corrupt and take them out in the attack as well.

Pull a 6 day war and let Mexico know we mean business in regards to drugs, immigration, and water for South Texas!

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You can't coordinate with the Mexican army. As soon as you do, that intel is already in the cartels hands.

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will25u said:

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BREAKING: Just minutes after the President of Mexico caved and promised to send 10,000 troops to the border to stop the illegal invasion and flow of Fentanyl into the U.S., Mexican authorities arrested a major drug cartel leader. pic.twitter.com/0oNogUP5fE

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 3, 2025

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Which one was he with?

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will25u said:

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BREAKING: Just minutes after the President of Mexico caved and promised to send 10,000 troops to the border to stop the illegal invasion and flow of Fentanyl into the U.S., Mexican authorities arrested a major drug cartel leader. pic.twitter.com/0oNogUP5fE

— Libs of TikTok (@libsoftiktok) February 3, 2025

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Which one was he with?

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Cartel De Noreste.
https://www.lmtonline.com/local/article/cartel-leader-el-ricky-arrested-nuevo-laredo-20136850.php

JUST IN: Mexican drug lord Ricardo González Sauceda, also known as "El Ricky," has been arrested in Nuevo Laredo, Mexico amid Trump's calls for Mexico to take out cartel leaders.

Gunfights have reportedly broken out in Nuevo Laredo after the arrest.

"He is the leader of a group… pic.twitter.com/IIWsoA7hJY

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 3, 2025

Ohhhhhhh. Palantir. Put what you learned in Ukraine to work. They don't get it.

Agree. They're sending about as clear of a message as one can, if not already the first serving out of a can of whoop ass that's just been opened...

Millions of these illegals remain highly indebted to the cartels with the threat of severe harm to their family if they don't obey.

The Goliad Co. Sherriff talked about this and other goods on a podcast of Dr. Phil.

Wow, a U.S. Air Force RC-135V “Rivet Joint” Signal Intelligence Aircraft is now also doing rounds along the U.S-Mexico Border, between Nee Mexico and Texas. 3 Intelligence Platforms are currently patrolling the Border, watching the Cartels. https://t.co/jW6z4C8O1c pic.twitter.com/toqjIzZ03J

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 7, 2025

Delta force is licking their chops

Imagine sending some John McPhee types down there undercover to engage in some street fights with the little cartel badasses.