RINO Dustin Burrows wins TX House Speaker

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In reply to FishrCoAg • 1:51p, 1/24/25
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And you just come out of the woodwork to make personal attacks for your first posts on this thread. Pot meet kettle. Ellis first post is like asking "when did you stop beating your wife". Most folks raising hell about the rules only know what the Dunn/Wilks/MQS folks who want to control our state put out as talking points. They've already bought Patrick and Paxton and Abbott. Glad to see some vestige of resistance to a complete takeover by them. If you want empower Texans, or whatever their most recent name is calling all the shots that's your prerogative


Stop trying to make this about Abbott Paxton and Patrick. It's telling that you attack them far more than Texas democrats….
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 1:51p, 1/24/25
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And you just come out of the woodwork to make personal attacks for your first posts on this thread. Pot meet kettle. Ellis first post is like asking "when did you stop beating your wife". Most folks raising hell about the rules only know what the Dunn/Wilks/MQS folks who want to control our state put out as talking points. They've already bought Patrick and Paxton and Abbott. Glad to see some vestige of resistance to a complete takeover by them. If you want empower Texans, or whatever their most recent name is calling all the shots that's your prerogative
And just like clockwork FisherCoAg shows up to defend Charpie when she starts catching criticism. Either that or your her sock account.
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In reply to Charpie • 2:09p, 1/24/25
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Who is defending? You're projecting. I'm asking questions.
Hmmmmm. I have never seen you do anything but defend everything the moderate members of the House do. From impeaching Paxton so they could avoid legislating to these "questions" about something a blind man can see.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I am just curious how what they have done is defensible. They know best? That was what we were promised when the Burrows/Phelan cronies recommended impeachment for Paxton and convinced other members to vote for it. They knew more and would prove it to the rest of us. Then no evidence emerged because there never was any.

I am tired of being lied to and having our state government hijacked by unethical people who are most likely on the take.
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In reply to txags92 • 2:11p, 1/24/25
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Charpie said:
More power than the actual chairs?
The same.
Meaning things like they can place a hold on any legislation under consideration by the committee. So things like school choice can be held up in committee by the vice chair of the education committee placing a hold on it without it ever making it to the floor.
Quite convenient. Brad Buckley can tell the world that he supports school vouchers, yet he knows that by swindling his constituents, he will never have to vote on them (since he is personally against vouchers).
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:14p, 1/24/25
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And you just come out of the woodwork to make personal attacks for your first posts on this thread. Pot meet kettle. Ellis first post is like asking "when did you stop beating your wife". Most folks raising hell about the rules only know what the Dunn/Wilks/MQS folks who want to control our state put out as talking points. They've already bought Patrick and Paxton and Abbott. Glad to see some vestige of resistance to a complete takeover by them. If you want empower Texans, or whatever their most recent name is calling all the shots that's your prerogative
I did no such thing. I asked a very direct and very pertinent question. It was not a gotcha. It was not rude or mean.

And now you are trying to tell us the sky is green by deflecting on Paxton, Patrick, and Abbott.
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:29p, 1/24/25
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….personal attacks….
I did NOT attack cHarpie. But I did challenge her, as have numerous others. She has faded into the background. Probably a wise choice, if not the bravest. As her boyfriend, I could understand a desire to "protect her" from any and all criticism. Consider advising her to modify her approach. And the old adage "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen" comes to mind.

This playground can get "rough and tumble" from time to time. Not for the faint of heart. Word to the wise.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 2:31p, 1/24/25
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The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:34p, 1/24/25
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The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
The only liars I am seeing are those who support Dustin Burrows. They lied to our faces yesterday and have no intention of doing the work their constituents voted for.

I have no idea what that has to do with the Senate, because we are discussing House business. This is another deflection.

Why is it OK for Burrows and Buckley and Phelan to continue to lie to us? Why did they send the bill over at 4 a.m.?
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 2:41p, 1/24/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
The only liars I am seeing are those who support Dustin Burrows. They lied to our faces yesterday and have no intention of doing the work their constituents voted for.

I have no idea what that has to do with the Senate, because we are discussing House business. This is another deflection.

Why is it OK for Burrows and Buckley and Phelan to continue to lie to us? Why did they send the bill over at 4 a.m.?


What did they say that was a lie? It's not ok for any of them to lie to us. I have no idea about the 4am question. Why did Cook vote for the rules? Do they really give Dems any power? There are conflicting opinions about that and time will tell.

And I look at all of state government as interrelated, so I included the Senate and Gov.
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2:42p, 1/24/25
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Good summary of what happened:

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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:45p, 1/24/25
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The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/


I know which group is forming a coalition with democrats and which one isn't and that tells anyone all they need to know.

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In reply to Teslag • 2:48p, 1/24/25
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Teslag said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/


I know which group is forming a coalition with democrats and which one isn't and that tells anyone all they need to know.



72% of republicans voted for it. Did you bother to read the article? It claims that dems have no increased power. As I said, time will tell.
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In reply to Ellis Wyatt • 2:50p, 1/24/25
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Ellis Wyatt said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
The only liars I am seeing are those who support Dustin Burrows. They lied to our faces yesterday and have no intention of doing the work their constituents voted for.

I have no idea what that has to do with the Senate, because we are discussing House business. This is another deflection.

Why is it OK for Burrows and Buckley and Phelan to continue to lie to us? Why did they send the bill over at 4 a.m.?
You are valid to take your anger out about the bill being sent over at 4 AM. That is some BS.

You are also valid to be pissed off that David Cook, the challenger to Burrows to the Speakership, voted FOR the rules.

I reached out to a friend who works as a Republican strategist at the Capital to try to understand why folks are mad like yourself. He stated that even with the vice chairs, the main chairs still have ultimate control and say over what is done/said/acted on. The vice chairs are largely ceremonial. Even with the new subcommittees, they still roll into the main committees that the Republicans chair. He also stated that the 24 Republicans who voted against the rules were mad because they had a slew of amendments that they wanted to be heard and were just shut down. Time is going to tell.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. I don't spend nearly as much time on here as I used to. I have a new job and cannot access TA from my work computer.
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2:51p, 1/24/25
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I have no dog in the fight... but it certainly appears much more rural vs urban than conservative vs liberal.
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In reply to Old May Banker • 2:54p, 1/24/25
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I have no dog in the fight... but it certainly appears much more rural vs urban than conservative vs liberal.


This is absolutely correct
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:56p, 1/24/25
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FishrCoAg said:
Ellis Wyatt said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
The only liars I am seeing are those who support Dustin Burrows. They lied to our faces yesterday and have no intention of doing the work their constituents voted for.

I have no idea what that has to do with the Senate, because we are discussing House business. This is another deflection.

Why is it OK for Burrows and Buckley and Phelan to continue to lie to us? Why did they send the bill over at 4 a.m.?


What did they say that was a lie? It's not ok for any of them to lie to us. I have no idea about the 4am question. Why did Cook vote for the rules? Do they really give Dems any power? There are conflicting opinions about that and time will tell.

And I look at all of state government as interrelated, so I included the Senate and Gov.
They told us there would be no Dem committee chairs. Then gave all the committee vice chair positions to democrats and gave them the exact same powers as the committee chairs, effectively making them co-chairs, with the same power to block legislation that the committee chair has). They also setup several sub-committees that could be chaired by democrats and allowed for the speaker to directly refer legislation to those subcommittees instead of having to come to them from the committee they are setup "under". So yes, they honored the letter of the promise of "no dem committee chairs" but in the way they set things up, they actually gave more power to the dems than they had before, which was not the intent of the promise they made. They are telling us one thing, but their actions are doing something completely different.
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 2:59p, 1/24/25
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FishrCoAg said:
Teslag said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/


I know which group is forming a coalition with democrats and which one isn't and that tells anyone all they need to know.



72% of republicans voted for it. Did you bother to read the article? It claims that dems have no increased power. As I said, time will tell.
And those 72% are morons that either conspired with the democrats or they are to stupid to see what is actually going on. The damned democrats CHEERED when it passed. Why would they do that? The writing is on the wall.
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In reply to txags92 • 2:59p, 1/24/25
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They don't have the same powers as committee chairs.
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 3:00p, 1/24/25
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FishrCoAg said:
Teslag said:
FishrCoAg said:
The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/


I know which group is forming a coalition with democrats and which one isn't and that tells anyone all they need to know.



72% of republicans voted for it. Did you bother to read the article? It claims that dems have no increased power. As I said, time will tell.


What percentage of democrats voted for it?
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They don't have the same powers as committee chairs.
Yeah, says those in the burro caucus. Traitors to the those of us that are actual conservatives.
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In reply to Spotted Ag • 3:01p, 1/24/25
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Time will tell. Just so I won't be accused of slinking away, I'm about to spend about 3 hours driving to and from a soccer game, plus however long the game lasts.
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I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?
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In reply to Teslag • 3:12p, 1/24/25
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I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?


If the Democrats had a chance in hell of passing anything, then them. But the Tim Dunn wing wants just as much if not more control. I personally prefer we all have more local control and true freedom than either extreme want to allow.
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 3:14p, 1/24/25
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Teslag said:
I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?


If the Democrats had a chance in hell of passing anything, then them. But the Tim Dunn wing wants just as much if not more control. I personally prefer we all have more local control and true freedom than either extreme want to allow.
Well I find it best to focus on how things actually are than what I hope they would be. Paxton/Abbot//Patrick is who we should support until the dream of local control happens.
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Teslag said:
I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?


If the Democrats had a chance in hell of passing anything, then them. But the Tim Dunn wing wants just as much if not more control. I personally prefer we all have more local control and true freedom than either extreme want to allow.

You are the one regurgitating the liberal Austin Democrat Talirico talking points and posting from a TLR propaganda site.

Why don't you go study how many millions TLR and Phelan have dished out. Do they control those Burrocrat Party members?

At least Wilkes and Dunn donations align with the Texas Republican Party platform and agendas.

Close to 100% of Democrats voted for HR4 because it gave them more power. As I posted earlier it was a letter of the law vs. spirit of the law type of vote that was forced on them because no delays, debate, or amendments were allowed.

Just admit that you want to obstruct conservative legislation instead of trying to pass this off as a conservative victory.
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 3:43p, 1/24/25
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They don't have the same powers as committee chairs.
Quote:
Sec.6A . ADDITIONAL DUTIES OF THE CHAIR; RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE VICE-CHAIR. (a) The chair of each committee shall schedule the work of the committee and determine the order of consideration of measures and matters referred to the committee in direct consultation with the vice-chair of the committee. The chair shall arrange to ensure that: (1) witnesses designated by the vice-chair are invited to testify at a public hearing, including in the manner described by Section 20(g) of this rule; and (2) measures or matters designated by the vice-chair are promptly scheduled for a public hearing under this rule. (b) The vice-chair of a committee may direct the preparation of an impact statement on any measure in the same manner in which a chair directs the preparation of those statements under Section 34 of this rule.

All of this was added to this rules package and was not there in the past. I bolded the language about scheduling in there just for clarity. It doesn't say "with input from" or "advised by". To me, "direct consultation" means the vice-chair can block a bill from being scheduled for hearing. If the chair consults on bringing a bill before the committee and the vice-chair says no, it would appear to violate that "direct consultation" to then bring it up for a hearing.

Beyond that, the rules say the chair has to allow the vice chair to schedule any witnesses they want to testify regarding a bill, they have to schedule matters the vice chair wants considered "promptly". And the vice chair can call for an impact statement to be prepared for any bill they want (which is a great way to slow down the entire calendar as a procedural move by asking for such a statement right before the committee is to consider it). So they can veto consideration, they can call any (and as many) witnesses they want to testify (and thereby delay the committee at their will), and the chair has to schedule the vice-chairs pet bills for consideration "promptly". Sounds like Burrows has given them everything they need to be able to stop the bills they don't like in their tracks and endlessly foul them up in the committees.
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Bingo!
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I was actually there in the House chamber yesterday when they were "discussing" adopting the rules. Burrows was being a slimebag
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In reply to FishrCoAg • 4:29p, 1/24/25
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FishrCoAg said:
Teslag said:
I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?


If the Democrats had a chance in hell of passing anything, then them. But the Tim Dunn wing wants just as much if not more control. I personally prefer we all have more local control and true freedom than either extreme want to allow.


But the democrats do have a chance, a great change even, of blocking and holding up things in the house.

Do you have an issue with that?
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I was actually there in the House chamber yesterday when they were "discussing" adopting the rules. Burrows was being a slimebag
Leopards don't change their spots. He was being a slimebag because that is what he, Dade, Bonnen, and their whole little crew are.
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Teslag said:
FishrCoAg said:
Teslag said:
I'll just come out and ask you. Who do you find more problematic for the people of Texas, the Paxton/Abbot//Patrick wing or the democrat party of texas?


If the Democrats had a chance in hell of passing anything, then them. But the Tim Dunn wing wants just as much if not more control. I personally prefer we all have more local control and true freedom than either extreme want to allow.


But the democrats do have a chance, a great change even, of blocking and holding up things in the house.

Do you have an issue with that?
This is how a lot of legislation has the potential to get killed. Being able to call witnesses and demanding an impact statement on each piece of proposed legislation gives the Democrats ample opportunity to gum up the works and run out the clock. You can be sure they will use every tactic available to fight school choice.
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The elephant in the room that you are ignoring is the fight for control of the state. The same people who bought the 3 I mentioned are trying to complete the coup by taking control of the house. They blatantly lie about people they want to replace with their sycophants and then call their opponents liars. I know this to be fact. A colleague of mine who was a house member in a rural district, a very conservative rancher and Aggie, was painted as a carpetbagging liberal gun grabber, all of which was total bull****, because he chose to run against one of their family members. Here's a pertinent summary of the rules debate, though I'm sure you will cal the source a commie group.

https://thetexasvoicecom.cmail20.com/t/t-e-shlluht-tluilydyyd-r/
You sure seem to be making this more complicated that it is. Let's dumb it down a bit.

Republicans went into caucus in late 2024 to determine the next speaker under rules Burrows himself help write. When it became clear that in the third vote that Cook was going to carry the caucus, Burrows and his small group of followers walked out on the Republicans and made a deal with Democrats to get the chair. This rules package is the result of what it took to get their vote. And it STINKS!

Burrows' word is now worth @#% to me. All of your superflous ranting about Abbott, Patrick & Paxton is irrelevant to this conversation.

In other words, if you have to stab Republicans in the back to get what you want, you're on the wrong path. PERIOD.
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In reply to jrdaustin • 1:04p, 1/25/25
Burrows is a liar, as are the ****bags who agreed to those rules and then walked out. Dade Phelan, Brad Buckley and more. Lying ****bags.

They got away with it this time, but people are starting to pay attention. Some friends of mine are discussing publicity campaigns to make sure voters know that their reps are allowing democrats to control Texas legislation while simultaneously lying and portraying themselves as conservative warriors.
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3:08p, 1/26/25


Please keep lying to us and telling us who the actual conservatives are, Dade sycophants.
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3:15p, 1/26/25
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We need to pull in Elon to help primary all these ****s.
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