Carolla says good luck getting a permit to rebuild in Palisades

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aggieforester05
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kag00 said:

Even if you get a permit you won't be able to insure it. A mortgage without insurance will be impossible.
LA or not, that's going to put a crimp on RE prices.

Uninsurable
Highly Susceptible to Fire
No Mortgages

I don't care where the location, those three conditions will seriously decrease demand for residential real estate. There will still be people willing to pay cash and risk it, but they won't have near the competition in the market.
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And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
aggiehawg
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OaklandAg06 said:

And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
Okay explain the logic to me. One way in, one way out? Okay let's put up multifamily housing to increase that traffic!
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OaklandAg06 said:

And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
aggiehawg said:
Okay explain the logic to me. One way in, one way out? Okay let's put up multifamily housing to increase that traffic!
If you take one lot where Beyonce lives and turn it into a 250 unit apartment you solve the housing crisis. According to Gavin Newsome people live on the streets because they are down on their luck and can't afford a house, and no other reasons.
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Common sense says salting the earth with seawater and pumping untreated saltwater into the same system that handles your drinking water isn't a great idea.

But more than that, the problem is one of flow and pressure, not the availability of water. When all the hydrants are open, there's so much open that the system can't maintain pressure. It's like trying to use one of those toys that squirts water out as you push the handle/plunger in, except instead of a restricted opening that makes the water squirt far because it's under pressure, you've got a sieve and it all just leaks out the end. You could get bigger pumps, but the entire system is still limited in flow rate by pipe size.
I didn't go into the engineering of the idea, but I will assure you there is a way to minimize those concerns. Also, put all this devastation in one hand and some salt water on Earth and take a poll.


A City could install separate pipe lines for salt water fire containment if flushing the lines after saving Billions of $$$ and lives seems to difficult.
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A couple I know in Malibu who lost their Malibu house in fires six or seven years ago had to wait 5+ years to rebuild. they were in a rental waiting for years.

And in that fire, only a few dozen homes were lost.

If they don't disband the city permit offices and coastal commission commissars rebuilding Pacpal and Malibu will take 15-20 yrs.
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2040huck said:
Have you ever been to Boerne?
atmtws said:
Boerne/Austin and everyone in between could very well be next. Lake levels are at record lows. Aquifers are aren't replenishing like they used to. Cedar trees...Drought...Spark...Gone.

A lot of homeowners in the hills are on wells, with 5k or 10k storage tanks. That wont get very far in fighting a fire. That whole area is in the exact same boat as LA. Just look at what happened to Lost Pines 15 yrs ago.
Don't you put that evil on my Dad, Ricky Bobby!!!!

He lives in Lakehills...
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OaklandAg06 said:

And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
aggiehawg said:
Okay explain the logic to me. One way in, one way out? Okay let's put up multifamily housing to increase that traffic!
Wait...

Are you thinking the logic is about people's SAFETY?

As opposed to the developer's bank accounts...
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As a point of contrast, I built a 1800SF cabin/carport and 1500SF barn in a rural county in Texas a year ago with no permits required of any kind. Not for the road or site clearing. Not for the buildings. Not for the water well. Not for the electrical infrastructure. And not for the septic sewage system. Nada, zilch. Construction plans agreed to in back-and-forth with contractor and everything completed within 12 months. Weather was an occasional source of delay, but not the government.
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OaklandAg06 said:

And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
aggiehawg said:
Okay explain the logic to me. One way in, one way out? Okay let's put up multifamily housing to increase that traffic!
Liberals love high density. More tax receipts overall.

Liberals hate cars. If possible, cars wont be allowed. If not possible, parking won't be allowed.
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MemphisAg1 said:

As a point of contrast, I built a 1800SF cabin/carport and 1500SF barn in a rural county in Texas a year ago with no permits required of any kind. Not for the road or site clearing. Not for the buildings. Not for the water well. Not for the electrical infrastructure. And not for the septic sewage system. Nada, zilch. Construction plans agreed to in back-and-forth with contractor and everything completed within 12 months. Weather was an occasional source of delay, but not the government.


How could you possibly know what to do without some govt dip**** telling you what/how to do?
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Carolla continues to be right.

SpreadsheetAg
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He's right so far; but liberals won't flip that easy. Once they can regain control of the rebuild Process with "the right" progressives on the board or whatever council it is, they will keep the same regulations after they've rebuilt to prevent anyone else from developing.
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Here's right about the post fire 'reeeee' but wrong about these liberal dolts voting red next time.
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torrid
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I can already foresee the mini-series documenting the corruption in the permitting process to re-build and the California Coastal Commission - American Crime Story: Nine Angry Lesbians.
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torrid said:

I can already foresee the mini-series documenting the corruption in the permitting process to re-build and the California Coastal Commission - American Crime Story: Nine Angry Lesbians.


Are they angry because scissoring requires pairs?

I wonder how many of the properties destroyed were investment properties with commercial type insurance. In those cases, I think they take the payouts and move on.

At some point too the fair housing advocates will trot along and sue for the right to build affordable housing. And even if the state and local try and expedite permitting, some greenie will file a lawsuit to protect the endanger fire dung pine bark bush beetle.

California, pretty to look at but only stop in for a paid visit then leave, cause that ***** is crazy.
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MemphisAg1 said:

As a point of contrast, I built a 1800SF cabin/carport and 1500SF barn in a rural county in Texas a year ago with no permits required of any kind. Not for the road or site clearing. Not for the buildings. Not for the water well. Not for the electrical infrastructure. And not for the septic sewage system. Nada, zilch. Construction plans agreed to in back-and-forth with contractor and everything completed within 12 months. Weather was an occasional source of delay, but not the government.
BigRobSA said:


How could you possibly know what to do without some govt dip**** telling you what/how to do?


You needed a septic permit. Found this out when I was installing a septic on 23 acres because my uncle told me anything over 10 acres I wouldn't need a permit.

Also TCEQ and Texas Water Board get pretty heavy handed when water wells and septics are on the same property. Hood county won't let you have a water well and septic on a property less than 2 acres. Several other counties have similar regs.


flown-the-coop
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Most don't realize they also need a permit for replacing your water heater, even if doing it for yourself, which is only allowed on your homestead.

The septic and water well lobby is strong in Texas, same for plumbers. All designed to decrease competition and increase costs.
Who?mikejones!
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Saw an interesting conspiracy theory that much of the burned acreage is where the hsr would like to go....
nortex97
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I bet they still have to pay their property/city taxes though. Gotta pay those $500K/year lifeguards.
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Who?mikejones! said:

Saw an interesting conspiracy theory that much of the burned acreage is where the hsr would like to go....


No. That's the other side of LA.
BTKAG97
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So the options debated between the various regressive political and governmental groups for rebuilding are:

1) Do not rebuild to protect the environment.

Or

2) Build low rent, high density housing to bring in more blue voting lemmings.


What a conundrum.
torrid
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Who?mikejones! said:

Saw an interesting conspiracy theory that much of the burned acreage is where the hsr would like to go....
ABATTBQ11 said:


No. That's the other side of LA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_High-Speed_Rail

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Due to mainly political roadblocks, only the Initial Operating Segment (IOS) has advanced to construction. It is the middle section of the San FranciscoLos Angeles route and spans 35% of its total length. These 171 miles (275 km) in the Central Valley will connect Merced and Bakersfield. Revenue service on the IOS is projected to commence between 2031 and 2033 as a self-contained high-speed rail system, at a cost of $28-38.5 billion.
ediit - Total cost for this initial segment that goes nowhere is probably closer to $100 billion. But hey, you can get to Fresno lickety-split.
aggiehawg
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To no one's surprise.
flown-the-coop
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It's either do it or face endless lawsuits.

See the reconciliation plan Galveston had to enter into with HUD regarding Ike recovery.

Though I think Trump ended AFFH, there will be a fight for affordable housing in Palisades. And somebody will be paid by tax dollars to study it, tax dollars for lawyers on both sides to hammer out a deal, and then tax dollars to design, do environmental impact and maybe one day construct overpriced "free" housing.
Phatbob
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They are going to be the nicest slums in the world. The ones who live there will be able to look out at an incredibly beautiful view... as they are being stabbed. Democrats sure do know how to ruin nice things.
torrid
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BTKAG97 said:

So the options debated between the various regressive political and governmental groups for rebuilding are:

1) Do not rebuild to protect the environment.

Or

2) Build low rent, high density housing to bring in more blue voting lemmings.


What a conundrum.
Or it could be that property tax on ovepriced ocean-front property in Malibu ($6 million for just a small lot with nothing but a foundation left according to Carolla's latest video) actually subsidizes taxes and services for the rest of the county.
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aggiehawg said:



To no one's surprise.
So what brother-in-laws and second cousins are getting huge construction contracts outta dat?

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flown-the-coop
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Not it. But I know guys who will chase it.

I refuse to do business anywhere but Texas. But
Someone will get rush on it.
aggiehawg
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One hundred million won't go that far for a lot of housing. Not with those building codes out there.
flown-the-coop
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At least half a million per unit for a multistory, multifamily.

Well over $1 million for anything single family attached or detached. For reference, Houston area single family runs about $250k per home, add in another 20% for admin costs at the state and local level. So if you built a generic home in Houston, not elevated, you are going to maybe get 150-200 units.

In Cali, probably less than 50 no matter how you slice it. Probably 25 units nice you make it fire "resilient" and earthquake "resilient" then factor in prevailing wage, minority contracting requirements and local "fees".

If you wanted to DOGe something, start with California housing programs.
torrid
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Interesting follow-up video by Adam Carolla where he is on-site in Malibu examining what's left and what it will take to rebuild. He seems to know a lot about the various construction techniques.

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BCG Disciple said:

Zero sympathy for the libs, but I hate that the 20% conservative voters had to deal with the tyranny of the liberal socialist majority and the consequences of being out voted.

They don't have to. They can move to where the freedom is.

I can't imagine choosing to stay there at this point...
flown-the-coop
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People drastically underestimate the wisdom and Mensa genius that was on MTV Loveline.

And who knew 30 years both would be considered right leaning and regulars on FoxNews.
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OaklandAg06 said:

And there it is, regarding Zoning for Single Family homes:



I don't know how credible this guy is, but I would fully expect the ruling class in CA to do everything possible to make single family re-builds in these areas next to impossible.
aggiehawg said:

Okay explain the logic to me. One way in, one way out? Okay let's put up multifamily housing to increase that traffic!

I Thinks there are 3 things are going on here.. One, these leftist elites HATE private ownership. When you have to rent, " you will own nothing and you'll like it " and then their is basic DNC Machine corruption. The developers will definately send some of that money back to corrupt local offices/ Local DNC. Finally, alot of these politicians are well off due to corruption, but they hate people who became rich through hard work!!!!!!!
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