BonfireNerd04 said:

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Good strategy.

Do not tip in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington.

Those states do not have a separate lower minimum wage for tipped workers. Thus, waiters in those states should not be depending on tips.

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Damn, I tipped my waiter at The Charthouse in Portland, Oregon 20% on a $200 tab.

stetson said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Good strategy.

Do not tip in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington.

Those states do not have a separate lower minimum wage for tipped workers. Thus, waiters in those states should not be depending on tips.

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Damn, I tipped my waiter at The Charthouse in Portland, Oregon 20% on a $200 tab.

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IMO tipping is still fine in scenarios where tipping is appropriate (not the 90% of places that now pressure tips), as long as the tip calculation is adjusted to account for their unearned increasing wages. Appropriate tip using previously standard metrics - how much they are overpaid because of political posturing = new tip.

Some might argue that the first factor in that equation should also be adjusted down to what the bill would have been without the forced increase in prices necessitated by said artificially created inflation, but that gets way too complicated, and is harder to evaluate. To counter that, id simply use a lower percentage to offset the consequences of the modern version of free market, which isn't a free market at all, btw. So instead of 20%, id never go above 15% going forward, and will decrease that rate as wages and bill amounts continue to shoot upward beyond what it otherwise would be in an actual free market.

The only people I tip are those making below minimum wage. Seattle is filled with dumb dumbs.

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Yeah that is one area to start reconsidering tipping.

I love the kid doing takeout pickups from restaurants expecting tips, and the stupid screen that starts the tip at 18%. For literally handing over a bag. Even after the order was all done online. Literally just stands there and hands bags to customers. That's her entire job.

Or paying online for takeout with a tip line at payment on the website, with literally zero human interaction. How can anyone seriously expect that?

Or places like jersey mikes, where you do all the ordering and payment on their app, walk in, and grab your bag off the shelf. Literally zero human interaction at any step in the process. I guess because they made the sandwich, which is their job, warrants it?

It seems like the easier the job, the more tips are pressured by the kids doing the job. So many minimum wage jobs out there that require hard work and dealing with *******s who don't get that option. Where's the tip line for the people who don't get paid great but who actually work their asses off, instead of sitting in air conditioning doing next to nothing...? Even if they get paid more than minimum wage, it ends up being significantly less than kids who do next to nothing but get large tips?

Tip culture and pressuring tips for even basic tasks is out of control and in desperate need of a massive pushback.

Service jobs are not intended to be treated as careers but here we are.

Sounds good to me. People only tipped to cover the $2 wage for waitresses. With them getting a living wage there is no need to tip. Really wish tipping as a concept would go away

When I do front of the house at my restaurant, I always tell people that are new that they don't have to tip just press 0 so it processes when using Apple pay or a credit card

The credit card machine automatically puts up a tipping page.

Most do tip. The funny ones are the little elderly ladies who tip in cash but pay for the meal with the card so the government doesn't know what they are tipping for the staff tip pool.

Honestly I have a tough time caring about this stuff. People tipping heavily for basic services in places like this is fine with me, I just figure the market will figure it out over time as I expect the automation etc. will advance there first. In 10 years I expect people to be debating tipping their AI bot servers or not based on how nice they are to them, on the basis of ridiculous menu exception requests etc.

Here's the really bad and missing part. If the min wage is raised that much for wait staff, the menu prices have to go up as the restaurant has to cover their increased costs. We all know that. But….the wait staff will lose money. A good waiter at a nice place is making way more than $21/hr. Take away the tips and they come out losing. This actually hurts the waiter.

The dumbass politicians are going to end up raising prices and lowering the effective income at the same time.

Mathguy64 said:

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Here's the really bad and missing part. If the min wage is raised that much for wait staff, the menu prices have to go up as the restaurant has to cover their increased costs. We all know that. But….the wait staff will lose money. A good waiter at a nice place is making way more than $21/hr. Take away the tips and they come out losing. This actually hurts the waiter.

The dumbass politicians are going to end up raising prices and lowering the effective income at the same time.

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Yep.

A lets see how service pans out. A tip is an incentive for good service. No tip means that a server can take his or her time in providing that service for they are going to get paid no matter how long it takes.

APHIS AG said:

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A lets see how service pans out. A raise is an incentive for good service. Forced raises independent of merit means that a server can take his or her time in providing that service for they are going to get raises no matter how long it takes.

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Seattle residents vow to stop tipping

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Next up....minimum (i.e., non-zero) tipping regulations to force customers to tip. Why not? I mean, after all, they started this mess with stupid minimum wage regulations.

They are NOT going to legislate their way out of the mess they created.

ShinerAggie said:

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Seattle residents vow to stop tipping

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Next up....minimum (i.e., non-zero) tipping regulations to force customers to tip. Why not? I mean, after all, they started this mess with stupid minimum wage regulations.

They are NOT going to legislate their way out of the mess they created.

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We already have tipping surcharges added to bills of larger parties and have for years. Could easily see scope creep here.

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ShinerAggie said:

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Seattle residents vow to stop tipping

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Next up....minimum (i.e., non-zero) tipping regulations to force customers to tip. Why not? I mean, after all, they started this mess with stupid minimum wage regulations.

They are NOT going to legislate their way out of the mess they created.

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We already have tipping surcharges added to bills of larger parties and have for years. Could easily see scope creep here.

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At that point, they might as well go for full-on price controls...worked so well in the Soviet Union.

techno-ag said:

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I think it finally reached a tipping point.

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hahhahahhaa love this!! Well done!

BonfireNerd04 said:

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Good strategy.

Do not tip in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington.

Those states do not have a separate lower minimum wage for tipped workers. Thus, waiters in those states should not be depending on tips.

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Why is there even a minimum wage? Let the market decide.

No tips either. Market decides that too.

All the free-market jihadis should be on board with this.

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While at the Pike's Market in Seattle, many of the shops were also charging extra for using credit cards, dubbed transaction fees.

I'm amazed that people push for cashless, then turn around and punish you for using plastic. Even see it a few places here near ATL.

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I ordered Pizza from my usual place close to my house. I was surprised to see a 4% credit card charge. WTF? She said it's been there for a few weeks. I had to pay as I did not have cash. I wrote a nasty review on Google saying as long as they charge for CCs, I am not ordering from them even though I thought their pizzas are great.

Moral: Don't F with customers.

thelaw4 said:

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Sounds good to me. People only tipped to cover the $2 wage for waitresses. With them getting a living wage there is no need to tip. Really wish tipping as a concept would go away

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It won't just "go away".

You can make the change. From TODAY, make a promise to stop paying tips. If not zero, then just say 10% or 15%. And for certain types of jobs only.

It starts with YOU.

I do it as well, I don't pay more than 15% at a restaurant. At some places, where I order at a counter, it is ZERO.

If you're non-skilled workers are making $21/hour, are companies going to increase their pay for skilled/educated workers? What a crock!

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Here's the really bad and missing part. If the min wage is raised that much for wait staff, the menu prices have to go up as the restaurant has to cover their increased costs. We all know that. But….the wait staff will lose money. A good waiter at a nice place is making way more than $21/hr. Take away the tips and they come out losing. This actually hurts the waiter.

The dumbass politicians are going to end up raising prices and lowering the effective income at the same time.

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You are right, all of this hurts the waiter. Dumbass pols also get to virtue signal though. The restaurant owner loses because people stop coming.

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ShinerAggie said:

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Seattle residents vow to stop tipping

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Next up....minimum (i.e., non-zero) tipping regulations to force customers to tip. Why not? I mean, after all, they started this mess with stupid minimum wage regulations.

They are NOT going to legislate their way out of the mess they created.

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We already have tipping surcharges added to bills of larger parties and have for years. Could easily see scope creep here.

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I have seen "gratuity" added when the bill. Then there is a "tip" section right below that. I just cutely put in "0.00" there. They can hate me if they like.

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techno-ag said:

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Spot on. Min wage was not meant to be a living wage, but a part time opportunity for the very young and unskilled to get some work experience before moving on to something better.

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unfortunately, some people don't have the smarts to be anything more than a burger flipper

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Assuming that's true, the minimum wage doesn't help that person. It worsens the problem.

We've three restaurants in town who add "a 20% service charge will be added to each check to support equitable earnings, medical,, and retirement benefits for staff".

**** them. My wife and I refuse to eat at those places. And when the business (any business) says "No cash"? ****. Them. Too.

Enough people vote with their wallets...

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I Or places like jersey mikes, where you do all the ordering and payment on their app, walk in, and grab your bag off the shelf. Literally zero human interaction at any step in the process. I guess because they made the sandwich, which is their job, warrants it?

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I do tip at Jersey Mike's. At least a couple of bucks. They actually do work for it (hand slicing meat and cheese, etc.). I figure they tip share and you know some worker has to be up there at early hours to bake that bread.

JamesPShelley said:

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We've three restaurants in town who add "a 20% service charge will be added to each check to support equitable earnings, medical,, and retirement benefits for staff".

**** them. My wife and I refuse to eat at those places. And when the business (any business) says "No cash"? ****. Them. Too.

Enough people vote with their wallets...

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If I were in charge, I'd prosecute restaurants with mandatory "service charges" for fraudulent pricing. If a meal is "$19.99" but with a required 20% charge, then it's really $23.99, and that should be what's printed on the menu.

And really, tips should be handled the same way.

TRADUCTOR said:

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News has already shown what a $2 gets you. Will be entertaining to watch liberals trying zero for tip.

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My hope is that we see a lot of these workers responding with hostility towards the white liberals.

Businesses already shutting down in the new year.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/business/seattle-waffle-shop-shuts-down-due-to-new-minimum-wage-law/

techno-ag said:

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Businesses already shutting down in the new year.

https://nypost.com/2025/01/02/business/seattle-waffle-shop-shuts-down-due-to-new-minimum-wage-law/

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Tipping is a horrible way to pay employees.


I can't imagine any other sales rep/service industry that would mandate a system where the employee receives an optional tip that has to be shared with others in the workplace based on an honor system. A system where an employee could steal from the company and provide extras for the customers, and the customer openly pays the employee on the table (as opposed to "under the table" deals), literally in this case.


And I don't understand about delivery tips. I already paid for the delivery fee....who is getting that?

stetson said:

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BonfireNerd04 said:

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Good strategy.

Do not tip in Alaska, California, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington.

Those states do not have a separate lower minimum wage for tipped workers. Thus, waiters in those states should not be depending on tips.

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Damn, I tipped my waiter at The Charthouse in Portland, Oregon 20% on a $200 tab.

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If the price is a clue, the waiter was working hard and serving a group well. A tip for that kind of service will never be out of place.

Iowaggie said:

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Tipping is a horrible way to pay employees.


I can't imagine any other sales rep/service industry that would mandate a system where the employee receives an optional tip that has to be shared with others in the workplace based on an honor system. A system where an employee could steal from the company and provide extras for the customers, and the customer openly pays the employee on the table (as opposed to "under the table" deals), literally in this case.


And I don't understand about delivery tips. I already paid for the delivery fee....who is getting that?

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The company gets the delivery fee.

Tipping is just encouraging bad habits and practices. It is like giving iPads and iPhones to one's 10 year old kids - why will they go out and play when they get their fun on their gadget?

Yesterday morning I noticed The Fork & Spoon in Gruene has a 2.5% Service Fee on the bill.

Table for two.

The bottom of the menu said "prices listed are for cash" so I assume there's another fee on top of that for using a CC.

I paid cash. Food was good.

I take it they're doing everything they can to survive in these Bidenomic times.

It is annoying though.

I like tipping. but what I really like is bribing.