Seattle residents vow to stop tipping

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CowboyGirl
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Enzomatic said:

AtlAg05 said:

While at the Pike's Market in Seattle, many of the shops were also charging extra for using credit cards, dubbed transaction fees.

I'm amazed that people push for cashless, then turn around and punish you for using plastic. Even see it a few places here near ATL.

Businesses do not push for cards. They don't like paying 2-4+% of what they bring in. It's now just become commonplace for places to pass that onto the consumer, which I'm not a fan of.
They have forgotten what it was like when they had to chase down a bunch of hot checks. They pay 2-4% for the guarantee they will be paid regardless of whether the customer pays the bill or not. And there's pretty hard data that shows people spend more when they are buying with a card.

Seems they want to get all the benefits of accepting cards without paying anything for it.
EclipseAg
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I used to pride myself on being a good tipper.

No longer. I have scaled way back.
rwtxag83
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CowboyGirl said:

Enzomatic said:

AtlAg05 said:

While at the Pike's Market in Seattle, many of the shops were also charging extra for using credit cards, dubbed transaction fees.

I'm amazed that people push for cashless, then turn around and punish you for using plastic. Even see it a few places here near ATL.

Businesses do not push for cards. They don't like paying 2-4+% of what they bring in. It's now just become commonplace for places to pass that onto the consumer, which I'm not a fan of.
They have forgotten what it was like when they had to chase down a bunch of hot checks. They pay 2-4% for the guarantee they will be paid regardless of whether the customer pays the bill or not. And there's pretty hard data that shows people spend more when they are buying with a card.

Seems they want to get all the benefits of accepting cards without paying anything for it.
Not necessarily a guarantee of payment. They can and do charge back if the customer doesn't pay the CC/AMEX bill. AMEX is horrible about this.

An AMEX cardholder could have an AMEX card for 20 years and never miss a payment, then one day they lose their job and write AMEX saying they'll pay only part of the bill today, but make payments over time for what they owe. AMEX immediately cancels the card, then charges back every vendor at every place the cardmember spent on it for the last 6 months; YES, even the ones that have been paid for in full by the cardmemeber. The vendor can still get their money, but they have to provide proof that the cardmember actually bought the item, AND the vendor must provide a copy of the signature on the receipt. If the vendor can't provide both of these, they lose the money.
Greater love hath no man than this....
EclipseAg
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Went to Perry's on Christmas Eve. Waiter/kitchen was incredibly slow ... not sure which (or both).

After a three-hour meal where we had long stretches of just sitting there, the floor manager comes over to tell us that 18% gratuity will be added to our bill. While she's standing there a busboy conks someone in our party in the head with his big plastic tray.

Awkward.

They left a lot of money on the table that night. Could have at least sold us more drinks/wine or even flipped the table once if they had bothered to ever check on us.

cecil77
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Tips are for servers making the minimum $2.13 per hour and relying on tips. Certainly not fast food counter workers. I do tip generously though, figure they need it more than I do. Plus if you frequent places you tend to get really good service.
infinity ag
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EclipseAg said:

Went to Perry's on Christmas Eve. Waiter/kitchen was incredibly slow ... not sure which (or both).

After a three-hour meal where we had long stretches of just sitting there, the floor manager comes over to tell us that 18% gratuity will be added to our bill. While she's standing there a busboy conks someone in our party in the head with his big plastic tray.

Awkward.

They left a lot of money on the table that night. Could have at least sold us more drinks/wine or even flipped the table once if they had bothered to ever check on us.



I hope you gave them 0% tip on top of the forced tip they imposed on you. If you think about it, if they had let you tip them, it would have likely been 22% or so. They got greedy and forced you to pay 18%. I always never add anything on top of that if they force my hand. Tip is never a fee.
JamesPShelley
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The waffle shop owner in Seattle got what she deserved. I read the story, but knew where it was going as soon as I saw the picture of the owner. Yes, I profiled... and am pretty good at that. Don't see many 'pubs with hair that reveals them otherwise.
SquirrellyDan
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Enzomatic said:

AtlAg05 said:

While at the Pike's Market in Seattle, many of the shops were also charging extra for using credit cards, dubbed transaction fees.

I'm amazed that people push for cashless, then turn around and punish you for using plastic. Even see it a few places here near ATL.

Businesses do not push for cards. They don't like paying 2-4+% of what they bring in. It's now just become commonplace for places to pass that onto the consumer, which I'm not a fan of.


It's been commonplace to pass card transaction fees to the customer for a long long time. If you're not taking advantage of cash back, points, etc, you're essentially always paying at least 1-2% + more for the same goods if you're paying with cash.
techno-ag
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SquirrellyDan said:

Enzomatic said:

AtlAg05 said:

While at the Pike's Market in Seattle, many of the shops were also charging extra for using credit cards, dubbed transaction fees.

I'm amazed that people push for cashless, then turn around and punish you for using plastic. Even see it a few places here near ATL.

Businesses do not push for cards. They don't like paying 2-4+% of what they bring in. It's now just become commonplace for places to pass that onto the consumer, which I'm not a fan of.


It's been commonplace to pass card transaction fees to the customer for a long long time. If you're not taking advantage of cash back, points, etc, you're essentially always paying at least 1-2% + more for the same goods if you're paying with cash.
I think most people prefer it to be included in the bill and not tacked on as extra. Like "free shipping" that is baked into the price.
Trump will fix it.
Mega Lops
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techno-ag
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Spreading nationwide.

https://www.wsj.com/business/hospitality/restaurant-tip-fatigue-servers-covid-9e198567
Trump will fix it.
Jock 07
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Have we discussed the "livable wage" adjustment dumbassery yet?
the most cool guy
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techno-ag said:

Spreading nationwide.

https://www.wsj.com/business/hospitality/restaurant-tip-fatigue-servers-covid-9e198567

Good. We need to get back 15% being the standard. 20% if service is really good. 10-12% if it's not at least average.
 
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