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I'd like to see the constitutionality of these "blanket pardons" without specific crimes being numerated challenged. It's unprecedented, there is nothing in A2 specifically supporting it, and it's easy argued as large leap beyond the plain interpretation of the text.

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That "Challenge" would not go far as there is nothing that requires specific crimes to be delineated.

While the scope of the pardon, 10 years, is unprecedented, if you look at past pardons for un-convicted crimes, they don't name specific crimes. And there is good reason for that. With so many laws out there, the Feds could easily find a way around the pardoned crime and find something else in the USC to charge the person with.

Now, Therefore, I, Gerald R. Ford, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.


Now, Therefore, I, George Bush, President of the United States of America, pursuant to my powers under Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, do hereby grant a full, complete, and unconditional pardon to Elliott Abrams, Duane R. Clarridge, Alan Fiers, Clair George, Robert C. McFarlane, and Caspar W. Weinberger for all offenses charged or prosecuted by Independent Counsel Lawrence E. Walsh or other member of his office, or committed by these individuals and within the jurisdiction of that office.

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If Biden wants to pardon Hunter he should be able to, but I don't believe he has the authority of pardoning him from being convicted of all potential crimes for a 10 year period of time.

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It does suck, but he does have that power!


What I'd like to see happen, but doubt it does because Trump DoJ has bigger fish to fry, is for Hunter to be charged with the crimes. Make him assert the pardon.

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Rebel Yell said:

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No President has abused it . . . until now.

This is a dangerous precedent.

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er….profited off it. Everything that Biden family touches turns corrupt. Worst President EVER

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The FTX scam was genius. If he pardons SBF, it was the perfect crime. And the Dems got to keep the money that resulted from the fraud.

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What I'd like to see happen, but doubt it does because Trump DoJ has bigger fish to fry, is for Hunter to be charged with the crimes. Make him assert the pardon.

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And lose his 5th amendment rights. Or don't indict Hunter, empanel a grand jury to indict Jim Biden, assuming Joe does not pardon his bro before leaving office. Subpoena Hunter to the grand jury and let the fun begin.

We will see how this thread ages in the next four years. Predictable.

Tone2002 said:

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We will see how this thread ages in the next four years. Predictable.

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I'll go ahead and tell you right now how it ages.


Trump will probably pardon some people that are not worthy of a pardon. None of them will be as bad as the Hunter Biden pardon or what we are going to see in the next month

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Tone2002 said:

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We will see how this thread ages in the next four years. Predictable.

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I'll go ahead and tell you right now how it ages.


Trump will probably pardon some people that are not worthy of a pardon. None of them will be as bad as the Hunter Biden pardon or what we are going to see in the next month

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Well certainly not in the opinion of the Trump acolytes.

Or any person with a functioning cortex!

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infinity ag said:

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No President has abused it . . . until now.

This is a dangerous precedent.

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It's an idiotic thing to give someone so much power. We are not a monarchy.

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Yet, it was the power of the King to grant clemency within British common law that resulted in our Founding Fathers thinking it was important enough to put it specifically in the Constitution.

Of course, they also envisioned that whoever was President would be religious and a God fearing man and would wield that power judiciously.

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That was then. This is now.

We cannot go back to slavery just because they built so much some time ago.

If the Founding Fathers didn't foresee that future Presidents would be crooks, scumbags and sellouts, it is their fault.

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did younskip civics class? we have a constitution and it is able to be amneded.the amendment process if why we dont have slavery anymore

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I always thought the purpose was to right a wrong.

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Evidently, communication of sentences for child rape and murder if you are a DemocRAT sets the table for right vs. wrong.

And if one thinks the DemocRATS give a **** about the regular, law following folks, this should be a message to the regular folk that they will turn out killers and rapists if they don't get their way.

The DemocRATS/Leftists will turn out the general pop on the public in retribution to those that vote against them, and those that vote for them if they don't win.

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boulderaggie said:

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I always thought the purpose was to right a wrong.

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Evidently, communication of sentences for child rape and murder if you are a DemocRAT sets the table for right vs. wrong.

And if one thinks the DemocRATS give a **** about the regular, law following folks, this should be a message to the regular folk that they will turn out killers and rapists if they don't get their way.

The DemocRATS/Leftists will turn out the general pop on the public in retribution to those that vote against them, and those that vote for them if they don't win.

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So, he stated he would not pardon people accused of hate crimes. So If you murder a gay dude, you are going to fry. However, don't worry if you murdered a child. Xiden and the Dirty DNC Marxist have your back. Just like the guy who kidnapped and murdered a 12 year girl. The PosOTUS pardoned him today. I can't wait to celebrate Biden's death !!!!!

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It's all bs. There is a reason why we have a judicial system. You cannot have 1 man overrule everything for his buddies.

Hypothetical scenario. A serial killer and rapist. Has had 100s of victims. Has a connection with the President and gets death row commuted. It is possible. No one can do a thing.

Ridiculous.

Biden has tainted himself even more.

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Hypothetical situation. A man overdoses on Fentanyl while in police custody. The officers involved in the arrest are convicted of murder because the entire jury pool has been tainted and evidence withheld

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boulderaggie said:

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I always thought the purpose was to right a wrong.

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That was never the purpose.

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So much this.

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But your guy did it. Why not own it?

aggiehawg said:

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Just giving you the history and why it was put into Article II. While at A&M I took two semesters of British history. Great prof and a great class. Learned a lot that I still remember from those classes.

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OK, thank you for that!

However, my point still remains that presidential pardons in 2024 is ridiculous. They must be abolished. You do the crime, you do the time. Connection with the President is not a reason not to.

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I am a proponent of the president having broad powers to pardon... but I never envisioned us electing a Marxist vegetable.

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If that is so, then you aren't very good at risk anticipation.

This thread is just weird. So much bad information. But then Texags is gonna Texags.

He ran for office and one of his main things running was that he wanted to end federal death penalty unless if involved terrorism or mass murder. Biden is commuting the sentences, not paroling the people. They don't go free, they will be in the fed pen with no chance for parole.

We the people should at least amend it to eliminate pardons nine months before and three months after a presidential election. At least then voters would have a better idea of what they are voting for and losers couldn't go crazy.

just a hypothetical but could a President pardon everyone who is a citizen for any future crime they may commit if that power is absolute . I am trying to get a handle on how absolute this power is.

Get into office, run it like a dictator, have everyone around you break any law to line your pockets and those around you and crush your political opponents. Pardon everyone.

He ran on being a unification ticket, and the only unifying he did was convince men of color to unite with Trump.

He ran on his ability to partner with reps of all backgrounds - which should have made legislation here possible, but instead all he's left with is a one time dictation type move to appease his radical supporters. These pardons change nothing.

The thing he ran in the most, was Orange Man Bad. That alone got him elected - he wasn't Trump. So how did he do delivering on that? He managed to get Trump re-elected in a landslide including the national popular vote and both houses of congress.


LOL - he's the biggest failure of our lifetime and it's not close

Ya'll sure are giving a vegetable a lot of credit...my money says he has no clue what he's signing
Maybe valerie deserves a lot of credit?

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Just giving you the history and why it was put into Article II. While at A&M I took two semesters of British history. Great prof and a great class. Learned a lot that I still remember from those classes.

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Did you have Dr. RJQ Adams?

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aggiehawg said:

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Just giving you the history and why it was put into Article II. While at A&M I took two semesters of British history. Great prof and a great class. Learned a lot that I still remember from those classes.

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Did you have Dr. RJQ Adams?

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Yes I did as a matter of fact.

I met my wife in his class. Our 2 semesters with Quince were fall of '77 and spring of '78. I think.

About 10 years ago we met him for drinks on a football Friday. Might have been 15 years ago. He played football at Indiana University. Amazing what one finds out over a few drinks.

2wealfth Man said:

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just a hypothetical but could a President pardon everyone who is a citizen for any future crime they may commit if that power is absolute . I am trying to get a handle on how absolute this power is.

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The pardon power is not forward looking. You can only pardon for federal crimes that have been committed or may have been committed.

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I met my wife in his class. Our 2 semesters with Quince were fall of '77 and spring of '78. I think.

About 10 years ago we met him for drinks on a football Friday. Might have been 15 years ago. He played football at Indiana University. Amazing what one finds out over a few drinks.

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IIRC (and I just checked because it was when the Pope John Paul died) had him fall of '78 and spring of '79. It was an early morning class and I would often see him getting coffee in the MSC and we would walk to class together, chat about current events. I remember one morning I said, "Good morning, Professor, how are you today?" His response, "Just great, peachy. And Muammar Qaddafi has a nuclear weapon." I then told him my Dad had actually met Qaddafi a few years before, in 1973.

That got his attention and he peppered me with questions all of the way to class. (It was quite a story as to how they met. My Dad was in Cairo (oil exec) and he was kidnapped, blindfolded, put onto a helicopter and flown somewhere out in the desert where Qaddafi had his tents set up.)

That is an interesting story. Guess you moved several times as a child since your dad was in oil business?

And I don't want to derail this thread, but Dr. Adams' class helped prepare me for law school. Lots of reading and essay tests and, more importantly, questions in class not just about what and when something happened but why it happened. Critical thinking was necessary to do well in his class.

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That is an interesting story. Guess you moved several times as a child since your dad was in oil business?

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Yeah. He turned down several overseas positions because my older sister was in ill health. We could have gone to South America, or London or Switzerland, as I recall, over the years. After my sister was married and her health issues were under control, he was offered a huge promotion that he just couldn't turn down. He was based out of NYC but went on trips to every country wherein his company had pipeline installations.

He was in Europe for nearly three months going everywhere. He loved to take pictures so Mom and I were excited to see all of his pictures when he got back. There were a few such as the Tower of London, Eiffel Tower, Trevi Fountain. But the vast majority of his pictures were of pipeline installations with maybe the Swiss Alps in the background.

I remember when he was in Egypt for a separate trip and he went to the Pyramids. There was my Dad, shirt, tie, sunglasses with Arab robes and headress sitting on a camel. He had the widest grin. We called him, "Lawrence of A&M."